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Saturday, January 24, 2009
Denial adds to shame
Will someone please tell the army chief and the navy boss to stop making lame excuses? No one believes a word of it. The more they try to defend their horrific act with the Rohingya boat people, the bigger the hole they are digging for themselves. And the greater the harm they are doing to the country.
Thank you so very much for making the whole world see Thailand as a cold-blooded country.
At a time when Thailand badly needs to address its image problem from the coup, violent protests and the crazy airport closedown, the navy - apparently with full backing from other national security agencies - has shown the world how cruel we can be to poor migrant workers, especially when they are dark-skinned Muslims.
Thank you for forcing us to probe into our hearts to see if we can still call ourselves Buddhists.
Honestly, I am a bit annoyed by the way the news was played up in the foreign media, which often plays on sensationalism and moral superiority, feeding on bigotry. But there is not much we can do about that.
What we can do, however, is to look at our own bigotry, confront the problem and ask ourselves why we allow ourselves to be blind to such atrocities. For this was most certainly not the first time that the Rohingya boat people were pushed back to face death at sea. And it would not be the last had it not been exposed by the foreign press, which we must be thankful for.
But we see only denial and defensive reaction on the home front.
The navy and the army insist with deadpan faces that they did not violate any humanitarian standards.
Excuse me, sir. Is towing people out to the open seas, setting them adrift, and allowing them to starve to death your standard of humanity?
Wake up! You have already woken up to the fact that the world no longer accepts your coups. Now it is time to learn that your old-world standard is too poor to be acceptable, too.
The reaction from Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban is equally distressing. He says the whole thing is an attempt to discredit Thailand.
The responses from some local media are no less frustrating.
In sum, they view the navy's move as an effort to protect the country from the influx of the Rohingya, who are feared to have links with the southern Muslim militants.
Besides, Thailand is already swamped with immigrants and refugees from neighbouring countries. Overburdened, they say, Thailand needs help to deal with the massive migrant influx, not condemnation.
And if the international community wants to pin blame on someone, why Thailand and not Burma? Is the international community also to blame for failing to contain the atrocious Burmese junta, leading to the massive migration of the Rohingya and other ethnic minorities?
They may have some valid points. But what good are they if they are used to justify our heartlessness?
Personally, the most shocking reaction has come from my 13-year-old daughter: "But the Rohingya, aren't they illegal?"
They are, I said, but that is no reason to treat them so mercilessly. Waging my personal war against racist nationalism which poisons my girl's head, I told her the Rohingya are a Muslim minority who are severely persecuted by the Burmese military junta. They are the fathers who dared to risk their lives to support their poor families back home. And if we cannot let them stay, we must deport them through legal channels, not make them die at sea.
Her question: Why cannot Thailand do something with Burma to end the mess?
Why not, indeed.
Thai nationalism is notorious for making Thais hate Burma. Yet our governments and military have mostly backed the Burmese generals. It is Burma's oil, gas, timber and gems. It is greed. It is ethnic prejudices that dictate our treatment of the powerless Burmese people.
If that is why, we are now paying dearly for it.
Iff any army/navy did this in the western world, then they will go to jail for many years!
here in Thailand its ok to block the airport and do a lot off other things, as long its as the military like it!
even killing people are ok for the military, as we have seen many times!
I really like Thailand and moust off the people, and i dont think the "normal" thai will kill people just because they are poor, but at the same time i really think you have to make a desicion to change the system, where the military have more power than the elected goverment!
Now the generals can tell the PM "its time to quite"
Nowhere in the western world, this can happen, and if they tried, its the generals who are going to be layed off.
Iff Thailand want to be a western contry and have our investments, then Thailand have to act like a western contry!
I am not a supporter for bribening, but everyone knows that you can pay your way off for everything here in this contry, just think about the police here!
I must say, that when Taksin was the PM, there was some belives that Thailand would act like a western contry, not like the cartoon like to day!
Your military has treated these people as worse than animals and your government will be judged in its response.
Cheers
burmese citizen
We foreigners tire of the usual dishonesty on full display in the daily Thai media with Thailand's mistreatment and bullying of its neighbours. Some of us actually like Thailand and her people minus the crazy racism and false sense of superiority. These really hurt Thailand's standing in the international community.
Please write something with the same brave honesty about the troubled relationship between Thailand and Cambodia. I look forward to reading it very much.
Monorom
Bravo on your heartbreaking piece. As an American that loves Muang Thai, it is almost irreconcilable to the Thailand I know. Alas, I am just farang, and obviously don't know much. I do know that in your country and mine, inhumane policies against minorites will only change with our influence and voice. Please keep up the great work.
What can be done. Firstly Burma should be expelled from the ASEAN partnership and governments along with the UN should go after these traffickes where ever they are. THESES ARE THE THUGS AND CRIMINALS WHO NEED EXTERMNATING FORTHWITH. I can't understand why Thailand is so sympathetic towards Burma apart from the economic ties. It should never be forgotten what the Burmese soldiers did in AYUTTHAYA.
Crimes against society must be placed against the guilty .
Congratulations Khun Sanitsuda. The diplomatic community are observing the events but don't see any constructive
thoughts. I guess it's back to square one. Such a shame a beautiful country being destoyed by lies, corruption and human greed.
The international reaction would have been much less negative if this accurate message had been constantly repeated by military and government spokespeople and subsequently broadcast in western countries.
Why isn't the military hiring the right people for the important job of protecting Thailand's reputation? There are expert Issues Managers in this Kingdom, why aren't their skills being utilised?
I'm assuming that you mean that "Taxsin would act like a western country" would (in part) be meaning a high level of respect for human rights and fair justice, and a strong anti-corruption platform, etc.
I can't belive that anybody would write such blatant mistruth.
Taxsin hates Westerners and has made public statements to this effect many times.
He once publically called a respected Western journalist "Idiot scum" because he was highly embarrassed by what was a legitimate question. Taxsin several times said "George Bush is not my father".
Taxsin openly sanctioned (instructed) the killing of 2,500 people, including children, without any form of justice whatever in his war on drugs (which by the way was really a personal vendeta). Not exactly a model for good human rights.
Taxsin destroyed the judiciary and frightened them to the point where they became his 'yes' men.
Taxsin scared the Election Commissioners to the point where they were openly biased and Taxsin was utterly shocked when the higher court y got brave enough to find them guilty and sent them to jail.
Taxsin twisted all sorts of situations into strong personal gain (ordering the bank to loan massive amounts of money to Burma).
How can you possible suggest Taxsin's era (which thank god has finished) was 'Western'.
Cheer for your courageous report and thank you so much.
Aung
Feeding these refugees upon capture in Thai territory is much cheaper than allowing them into Thailand and supplying them with food, clothes & shelter. When there are no jobs to feed them they will turn to crime. Thais and especially farangs will be the target of burglary and robbery. It is not Thailand's responsibility to care for the world's refugees. Illegal immigration is bankrupting the U.S. & just maybe other countries are learning from the mistakes of the U.S.
The Problem needing to be addressed is the Thai relationship with Burma which requires a policy of "no more mr nice guy" until real change starts to happen.
No officers were prosecuted for the crime they commited on south Thailand few years ago, when all those young men were killed by the army. Instead the governement went on a goodwill policy by doing all sorts of rediculous agenda, while not holding anyone accountable and not bringing those army officers to justice.
Same is happening again. Thai Army has brought nothing but shame to this country, they are a law onto themselves.
I think you're the one who needs to be exterminated forthwith. Issues should be resolved peacefully and through diplomacy. Violence is not the way. You yourself sound a bit like the Burmese generals, if I may say.
Three PM's out in 1 year? Yeah...that's hhow Thailand operates. The momarchy is protected by the military and people
respect the monarchy, so the military rules the country -- that includes the monarch, too. The govt. is very corrupted and each of the members bought their way by money. If they believe in a democratic system, they should look at how the Western countries run their govs. If the US were to treate any ill-legal person like Thailand, then, both sides of the borders would be filled with bodies. However, the US is perhaps the best example of treating ill-legals. Look at how Thailand treated its fomer partners like Laos and South Vietnam, who were fighting Communist. After the war, it turned its hands upside down and turned agaist its own what used to be called friends. One example would be how it treates the Hmong.
Khun Sanitsuda, please write something about the Hmong too, would you please?
Thank you
i think what we are dealing here is not a matter of who should take care of the refugees and these poor migrants.Of course there is no problem with pushing these illegal migrans back to where they come from..It is thailand policy and thailand know better what are the consequences if influx of refugees keep flowing..But the real issue is how we send them back..No matter how illegal or how trouble makers they are, at least they deserve respect and humane treatment..sending them out to sea with little food or poorly equiped boats is a totally different issue beyound any imagination for any good thinking person..And there is no doubt thai people want to be portrayed as humane and good thinking people..remember, it is a land of smile..or is it a land of smile for only rich tourists but not to poor migrants and refugees who even need more help?
The tragedy of abused, maimed, killed, murdered, and raped of Cambodian and Vietnamese boatpeople are still fresh on our mind. We pass these cruel stories on forward to our children as a remembrance or memorabilia. The story I hope to aspire and inspire dedication to hard word and education. Many of these refugees have become a lawyer, doctor, and very successful business men and women in America and throughout the world.
Many of us have visited Thailand on leisure and business and for me personally I went to Thailand on a military training with Thai’s Soldiers in Lopburi army base. This occasion bring back many painful memories with Thai’s Soldiers. I remembered living in the refugee camp and was beaten by Thai’s Soldiers, falsely imprison, and many were killed simply because they were Khmers. Khmers of your fellow kinship many hundreds years ago but that was separated by bigotry and false sense of pride and senseless hatred.
I remembered after the training I went to Bangkok with my backpack wondering like a lost refugee and was approached by two Thai’s women and they asked me who am I. I replied that I am a Cambodian and they seem to think that a Cambodian refugee road march in Bangkok looking for a refugee camp in Bangkok. Yes, I have lived in a refugee camp in Bangkok and no I don’t remember where it is and yes I like to know where it is so I can visit it.
Thais are very dedicated Buddhist believer. I like that very much when a taxi driver stop and pray to Buddha. But why can’t they understand the humility, kindness, love, compassion, and help the poor or the needy in time of turbulences, in time of chaos, in time of hopelessness, in time of desperation, in time of trial and tribulation that Buddha taught us all.
On CNN, I saw many of the refugees were beaten with their skin or wounds freshly bruise. Please be kind to those refugees. Thais someday will become a refugee too. 800 years ago, you were and it is bounce to be repeated.
peace
KevinKhmer
Aung, are you kidding yourself?
The middle class in Thailand does not want real democracy. They do not want their fellow rural countrymen equally represented in Parliament. Sorry to break your heart, no such thing as democracy powerfully streaming in their hearts, contempt for their fellow rural countrymen and democracy, YES, highly likely. They can be seen in action as represented by the yellow-cladded mobs that occupied the government's office for months and caused the recent chaos at Sovannapumi airport. Aung, these middle class people are for dictatorship, and are the ones active at damaging Thailand's image and fueling Thai nationalism.
Aung, please get your facts right. You have to be kidding yourself!
In eight years of reading the Post and the Nation I have never sent in an email. Lately I have taken to just skimming and dismissing- business as usual.. pretty depressing.
Thank you for your blog.. I could hardly believe what I was reading. Thank you for restoring at least some faith in Thais and in Thailand. I will go back and read everything you have written, and I will look forward to hearing from you again.
And thanks to the contributers to this thread. I would never have thought I would see something like this in the Post. Kap khun ma krup, SR
I read your comments with interest and agree with many points you made.
I read the Bangkok Post and The Nation newspapers online daily, not because they provide me with any reliable news, but snapshots of contemporary Thai society and values. Sad to say that I am constantly annoyed by the heavily biased and dishonest reporting and editorials, especially on issues relating to Thailand’s immediate neighbours, Burma, Cambodia and Laos. I guess these are weaker neighbours easier to pick on. However, after having read Ms. Sanitsuda’s article above, I feel very encouraged because I now accept as a fact that wonderful and courageous people like her actually exist in Thailand, and probably in very large numbers, too, who now are beginning to make their voices heard, to remind the international community that Thais are not that inhumane a people.
Kevin Khmer, you and I must never allow ourselves to be biased or dishonest in our comments.
behaviour-- I for one will no longer visit the
WRONGLY NAMED "Land of Smiles" !!
Thailand already has a very bad image because of what the PAD did to it last year. Does the army honestly think what they have done makes Thailand look good?
The Burmese refugee issue is now front page news all over the world and Thais are now looked upon as cruel and against human rights. Very sad for Thailand, but if Thailand doesn't start to take care of its image, it's not going to be popular with tourists for much longer.
How about a program to build a huge wall with moat around thailand to stimulate the economy in this time of crisis. It would employ many workers, lay the minds of people, who are worried about illegal immigration, to rest and make drug smuggling more difficult. Good fences make good neighbours.
It is time for the government to clean up the military, reduce their powers and make them responsible to a cilivian government. Fat chances that will happen. Where are the beliefs of Buddhism in all this? Making offerings at temples to try to buy a better life in the future? Where has gentle compassion gone? What about repsoect for human rights?
Thailand could be the leading country of SEA but no, it is not. Corruption, cronyism, elitism, feudalism, prejudice, unjustified nationalism and general incompetence have all taken their toll. Education used to be good but now is not.
It remains a fun country to visit but not to take too seriously. I regret choosing to spend too many years of my life there thinking I would be able to make a life within the system. If you are not Thai Chinese or born there with a silver spoon in your mouth,you don't stand a chance.
Although i would consider my partner well educated for a Thai, she cannot name more than one continent on a map of the world, let alone 7. It's also sometimes quite disturbing to me how little she knows of the world outside Thailand. So, just what are they teaching in Thai schools? I'm baffled. It's not English (not much anyway), it's not geography (outside Thailand), it's not Buddhism or religion (the real versions), it's not science of any importance and it can't be social studies (no knowledge of racism).
My partner actively and very persistently seeks to leave her country of birth, but for some strange reason unbeknownst to me she still cannot admit any fault or flaw in Thailand after all that has happened. Maybe this is what they teach in the schools, unjustified pride and nationalism hmmmm, just a thought.
It's ironic that this should happen to be a response to an editorial about immigrants trying to enter the country as i have been trying to leave since the end of December but there don't seem to be any planes (funny that). It's safe to say that i will not be returning to Thailand in the future. Yes, it's beautiful in parts but there are plenty of other beautiful, more developed and less racist places in the world to visit.
I think I also understand the annoyed feelings from reading/viewing reports in the foreign media ("Honestly, I am a bit annoyed by the way the news was played up in the foreign media, which often plays on sensationalism and moral superiority, feeding on bigotry"). But, when one thinks about the near total silence in the Thai media (except Phuket Wan - who can fairly claim to have to opened the way for subsequent reporting in mid-December last year) - which was only broken AFTER the foreign media started investigating and reporting........ then maybe one can also understand another reason why they have given such prominence to this issue.
Is it really asking too much to think that Bangkok Post/Nation etc (& the Thai-language press/TV) might actually send a reporter to investigate a major story in their own country? Like the government, they have sat back and waited for "concrete evidence" to be produced - by others....... i.e. the foreign media.
Very few countries in the world can claim a perfect record in dealing with the difficult migrant/refugee issues that confront them. But, none of them could just justify the treatment of the Rohingya that has been reported - for example:
"A Thai naval officer has confirmed claims that ethnic Rohingya boat people from Myanmar, detained along Thailand's south-western coast, have been taken back out to sea and set adrift.
The naval officer, who declined to be identified, told Al Jazeera: "We have to take the engines off the boats or they will come back.
"The wind will carry them to India or somewhere."
K. Abhisit (finally) instructs ISOC to investigate its own actions and report back to him. Does anyone seriously believe that this will be a thorough and proper investigation? But then - does anyone seriously believe he had any choice?
I love and respect Thailand and Thai people - but they really deserve better media and better military that will do a better job for them.
You have great moral courage to write this article, which is being covered up by the army and navy , who are the real authority of power in Thailand.
I'm curious that Rohingya never become front page news during Thaksin's, Samak's, and Somchai's government! Is this incident just happen on Abhisit's government?
I already said in my comment "Very few countries in the world can claim a perfect record in dealing with the difficult migrant/refugee issues" - so I imagine that the TRT/PPP governments were the same.
But - any Rohingya refugees/migrants in that time were NOT treated then in the way that has been described now.
There are 2 criticisms now: #1 is what the Thai military are accused of doing with the Rohingya in December/January; and #2 is that the Abhisit government has done very little to investigate such a serious charge in a proper way (proper = thorough & impartial).
I think it's clear that this story would not continue to be so important for so long in the foreign media if the Abhisit government was willing (and able) to deal with it by making a proper investigation. They should have done that at the beginning and they should certainly be doing it now.
As I already said, nearly all the Thai media (newspapers and TV) have left it to the foreign media to investigate and report a Thai story - and we will all have our opinion about why the Thai media have done so little.
But, if the Thai authorities continue to delay making a proper investigation and if the Thai media do not investigate a Thai story - then nobody should be surprised that the foreign media are reporting those facts and asking questions. This is very natural and very logical - it is NOT a conspiracy against Thailand and Thai people.... and it is NOT a conspiracy against the Abhisit government.
And now the world, via American Angelina Jolie's remarks, has been "warned" to not comment on the "boat" people.
Angelina is a pretty tough cookie who, I believe,will tell the warning minister
just what he can do with his threat.
ha! it like water and oil.
they even occasionally kill thai people, read our history of democracy!
what do we expect to see when it come to illegal immigration?
thai military pay no part in develop this country but only destroy.
in the next 10-15 yrs, you will see this people turn thailand to 2nd Myanmar.
wait and see.
I have lived in Thailand since 1993, and falling apart! As a retired teacher I fully endorse your observations.
I am from Cameroon and learning to speak English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "In firms where there is inaccurate selection"
With respect ;), Sara.
Having lived here for many years, there are countless occasions where actions of significant leaders in Thailand defied belief. Not sure whether it's due to lack of education or naivety, but it seems like some people believe they can get away with anything without getting caught.
There have been some shocking examples in recent years - one memorable occasion, local officials created a register of illegal immigrants (Burmese), who are low paid, unskilled workers filling a labor void which Thai business owners are more than happy to take advantage of. 'Maintenance' fees are collected from each illegal immigrant, then, some weeks later a military vessel turns up and takes them all away. Hundreds of people. Time passes and no-one talks about it any more. Truly terrible.
I can understand wanting to deal with the problem, but surely the Thai government can devise a better solution. And denial and trying to hide the problem just create an even bigger opportunity for corrupt officials to take advantage and profit from the situation. It's understandable that foreign media would jump on news stories - there needs to be better policies and actions in place.

