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Friday, January 30, 2009
Sex in the monastery
We used to be shocked by sex scandals in the clergy. Given the endless stream of those wrongdoings, we no longer are. Heterosex has also become old news. The rage now is about gay and paedophile monks.
The latest scandal involved an abbot in Nakhon Si Thammarat. His lover accused him of being unfaithful after finding out that the abbot had invited a group of teenagers to drink and party at his quarters. The last straw was reportedly the taint of semen on the abbot's mattress.
Their quarrel turned violent. The jilted lover, after being beaten up, reported the matter to the police. The abbot fled and quit the monkhood to avoid arrest and forced disrobement.
Having sexual intercourse, either straight or gay, is a cardinal sin in the monks' code of conduct. Their monkhood automatically ends once they commit the crime. When found out, they must be expelled from the clergy.
Other three cardinal sins include stealing, killing and boasting of supernatural powers.
How many "real" monks do we have left nowadays, given the widespread sex scandals, temple corruption and commercialisation of Buddhism?
The scandalous case of the Nakhon Si Thammarat abbot has highlighted the issue of homosexuality in the clergy which has never received any serious attention from the elders.
Well, what's new? The elders, comfortable in their cocoon of prestige and wealth, have never paid attention to any problems that have eroded public faith in the clergy anyway.
Since the abbot had already quit the monkhood, the issue was considered closed. As a matter of procedure, the Office of National Buddhism has advised abbots nationwide to be more strict with ordination since it is against the vinaya to ordain the "pandaka," which is routinely translated as "homosexuals".
In today's more liberal society, the issue of homosexuality and ordination has posed a challenge to traditional Buddhists. Since the Buddha says all human beings have the Buddha nature in themselves, meaning that everyone has the potential to attain nirvana, or spiritual liberation. So why not gays of all shades too?
If women in Theravada Buddhism feel they have the right to be ordained so they can earnestly practice to transcend the illusion of self, lust, greed, anger and hatred, why then should this spiritual chance be denied to gay men and women?
Some Buddhist experts have interpreted the ordination rule against the pandaka as applicable only to transvestites. But this remains debatable. Traditionalists would say it applies to gay men as a whole since it is considered too dangerous to put fuel near a fire.
May I add my two cents?
The issue here is not about the ordination rule or homosexuality. It is about violation of the vow of celibacy. And in many cases concerning the scandal of gay monks, it is about the sexual abuse of children. It is about letting paedophiles have a field day in the clergy.
Gay or straight, this must not be tolerated.
Many say they have noticed a stark increase in the number of "katoey" novices who show little restraint in expressing themselves, including the use of cosmetics, the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look, and the public display of feminine gestures. Could this suggest rife sexual abuse of minors in the temple, too?
Inside temples, stories abound of paedophile sex. Not only novices but temple boys are vulnerable to this abuse. If the abbots are not the abusers themselves, they often involved other senior monks.
Many abbots confess their fear to intervene, not only with sexual matters but also other misconduct. Drugs, for example. The temples have become a refuge for people with problematic backgrounds and are ridden with power plays between cliques and factions. Trying to expel rogue monks, they say, might cost them their lives.
And why do anything when the top monks do not care anyway?
The monks' sex scandals are just one of the symptoms of the crisis in the clergy. When monks no longer know what ordination and monkhood means, there is little hope for change.
Read commentComment 1
Analyst date : 02/02/2009 time : 05:11
All monks should follow and keep all Sila of monks. Otherwise it will affect to image Buddhisim. If they cannot follow the sila or rules. Quit from monkhood is better. Otherwise they look like cheating. We people are donating monks or monastery with belief of they are practicing, maintaining real Buddhism. No way to donate for the cheating men or liers.
Comment 2
rogerdavid brown 
date : 02/02/2009 time : 14:49
date : 02/02/2009 time : 14:49
Big deal. There are sexual affairs going on in monasteries.
The Roman Catholic Church still has this as a problem. Young men, or simply men only, living toghether have and will always be tempted by their carnal needs.
As for pedophilia, ether is far much more of these despicable acts carried out by heterosexuals than homosexuals!
The Roman Catholic Church still has this as a problem. Young men, or simply men only, living toghether have and will always be tempted by their carnal needs.
As for pedophilia, ether is far much more of these despicable acts carried out by heterosexuals than homosexuals!
Comment 3
Thaifrelst date : 02/02/2009 time : 21:01
date : 02/02/2009 time : 21:01Do realy anybody in Thailand follow buddist rules. Is it not like that,- if somebody close to you, or yourselves have benefit of it,- you may do what ever you want without breaking the rules?
Comment 4
isan farang date : 02/02/2009 time : 21:41
date : 02/02/2009 time : 21:41
All of the major religions have a preoccupation with sex.I would like to know what the exact words of The Buddha were, if and when he ever banned his followers, or those that are supposed to spread his message ,from engaging in sexual activity .After all he was an aristocrat who was married and fathered children ,before setting out on his journey.The rules have been laid down by dysfunctional men, some possible misogynists, many years after the establishment of the religion itself.In the case of Christianity , once married priests were banned, in the 12th century, from further marriage ,simply to preserve the property of the religion from the hands of wives.Celibacy is an abnormal human condition and has nothing to do with the original teachings.Simply allow marriage and avoid the presence of current dysfunctional men within these religions.Or better still become atheists.
Comment 5
Beng Low date : 03/02/2009 time : 00:35
date : 03/02/2009 time : 00:35
Khun Sanitsuda is right. Thai Buddhism needs a major overhaul. However, moaning and groaning about it is not very useful. She should offer constructive idess as to how this can be achieved.
We should also not lose our perspective. As one commentator has already said, there are sex scandals in other religions too. Until monks, prists and pastors get enlightened, this will not change.
We should also not lose our perspective. As one commentator has already said, there are sex scandals in other religions too. Until monks, prists and pastors get enlightened, this will not change.
Comment 6
david alfanso date : 03/02/2009 time : 01:12
date : 03/02/2009 time : 01:12
We reap what we sow. A person when sinned in monk's clothing will reap the heaviest punishment during judgment day. For those who tarnish the image of the saint will be sentence to hell and never be reborn. This is written in the scripture. If you are brave to take the punishment, then carry on. But my advice is to avoid any wrong doing. Especially spreading falsehood in the name of Buddha.
Amitabha.....
Amitabha.....
Comment 7
Terry date : 03/02/2009 time : 01:21
date : 03/02/2009 time : 01:21
Stop making donations to the monks,they run to buy mobile phones, wigs and run for sex at night. In Chiang Mai,the Internet shops are full of monks playing war games and the Thai owner is quite happy tolet them play.
Disaster of the fears.Sorry for you.
Disaster of the fears.Sorry for you.
Comment 8
Analyst date : 03/02/2009 time : 04:23
No need to stop donation to all monks.
But need to find out, differentiate between pure monks and dirty, fraud, cheating monks who enjoy in using facilities as laymen and having sex.
Then we need to let those fraud monks quit from monk-hood who cannot follow and keep the sila of monks or who break the rules of monks.
We still need the monks who really practice Buddha teaching and maintain the Buddhism.
But need to find out, differentiate between pure monks and dirty, fraud, cheating monks who enjoy in using facilities as laymen and having sex.
Then we need to let those fraud monks quit from monk-hood who cannot follow and keep the sila of monks or who break the rules of monks.
We still need the monks who really practice Buddha teaching and maintain the Buddhism.
Comment 9
Angeline date : 03/02/2009 time : 08:06
date : 03/02/2009 time : 08:06
We live in this mortal world where mortal man sin in worldly matters, whichever religious group or non-religious group they come from.
There will always be false prophets who will deceived us in the name of GOD.
Therefore, one has to be aware and be prepared for the deceitful false prophets no matter how much is done by mortal beings to prevent this.
There will always be false prophets who will deceived us in the name of GOD.
Therefore, one has to be aware and be prepared for the deceitful false prophets no matter how much is done by mortal beings to prevent this.
It's not really easy to determine who's serious to enter the monkhood/priesthood and who's not, we don't have a sexuality detection device and we all simply believe that these people are willing to serve temples/churches and the mankind. Though they have studied theology for years and yet some still fail, its called human nature. I think stopping donation to the temples is not a good idea, let the person who violated the rule leave if he really can't control his urge, good enough not to be with those who are faithful. Anyone make mistakes, and it only means they are not for that vow actually. We can't just recompose an entire paragraph with only 2 or 3 misspelled words.
The human sex drive is as natural as eating food or breathing air. Sexual desire is the reason the world is over populated. The only way to make a man live a lifetime without sexual desire is to surgically his eyes and sex organs at birth.
Comment 12
Ziaul date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:37
date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:37
It is really unnatural to let men and women abstain from sex in the name of religion. If you see in Islam the Prophet Mohammad married 12 ladies in his life. Islam never allows religion to overpower basic human instints. This is the reason a Muslim man if can do justice can marry four ladies at a time.
Comment 13
TheLiberal date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:51
date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:51
The Key thing and problem here is the stupid prudish people with absolute Victorian Values! Sex is meant to be enjoyed...if anybody whats to do it, its their right and if anybody wants to sell their body and anybody wants to buy it, its their right as long as no one is forced into anything. Organised religion is really a sham!
Comment 14
Alfred Gruetzner date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:53
date : 03/02/2009 time : 11:53
I think sex is everywhere, in all places where human beings gather. Why should monasteries of any kind of religion be excepted? Monks, priests, mullahs, novices are not excepted at all. If no wrong behaviour can be seen from them, sex is there, at least in their mind. It is the nature of human beings and nothing can eradicate it.
The sexual urge is so strong and has so many faces and the human society has established rules and moral views, but the fact is: no rule and no moral can ever avoid that kind of behaviour.
If a scandal has been discovered and after it has taken its tour in the media, the next is already in the pipeline.
I think this problem can never be solved, likewise deadly traffic accidents, except one takes out all mobile vehicles and doesn't put men in monasteries.
That has nothing to do with the great value and wisdom and the truth of real buddhist thinking.
The sexual urge is so strong and has so many faces and the human society has established rules and moral views, but the fact is: no rule and no moral can ever avoid that kind of behaviour.
If a scandal has been discovered and after it has taken its tour in the media, the next is already in the pipeline.
I think this problem can never be solved, likewise deadly traffic accidents, except one takes out all mobile vehicles and doesn't put men in monasteries.
That has nothing to do with the great value and wisdom and the truth of real buddhist thinking.
Comment 15
Chom date : 03/02/2009 time : 14:24
date : 03/02/2009 time : 14:24
All monks must be castrated before they are promoted to reverend level. No need for nuns. The gay monks must be burned alive. They are the only solutions to sterilize the Buddhism.
Comment 16
mike date : 03/02/2009 time : 19:33
date : 03/02/2009 time : 19:33
we should make the monks work like in Laos . if they refuse send them to Reducation camp.
Comment 17
Chee date : 03/02/2009 time : 21:14
date : 03/02/2009 time : 21:14
Nowday to enter monk hood need a screening background and education is require. Young navic need to continue study to completed level of education and riligion study. To be an abbot head of temple is nominated but the high position as King of monk. Abbot is consider to pass the test for the duty. I believed what happening here is missing something. There are high percent of good pure heart monk that work for duty for never asking for any thing in return.
A real buddha is only to give ,to teach, and to direct people from harm.
I have been volunteer working at the temple and donate my time and money to help. How can I see people now say such a thing without considering to the abbot whom devoted their life to help others. People nowday are far away from the the sila because they hardly go to temple with pure heart.
A real buddha is only to give ,to teach, and to direct people from harm.
I have been volunteer working at the temple and donate my time and money to help. How can I see people now say such a thing without considering to the abbot whom devoted their life to help others. People nowday are far away from the the sila because they hardly go to temple with pure heart.
Comment 18
niessen, dierk date : 03/02/2009 time : 21:46
date : 03/02/2009 time : 21:46
As a former novice and monk in Wat Bovoranives Vihara, I understand the problem, every novice or monk has. In this situation one must, under a good teacher, possibly the Abbot him selves, practise every day seriously meditation in order to establish Samathi. Only than, slowly, Panna will guide every further step of your life. The irony is, that the excuse, "sex is everywhere", comes from most westerners, who obviously don`t get the point why following in the Buddhas steps in the first place. Under no circumstances, should that kind of behavior toleratet. I wished, that I could have a second chance today, to be able to pratice in your surroundings. Dierk Niessen, Berlin
Comment 19
Erich date : 04/02/2009 time : 02:04
I'm a "farang" married with a Thai wife. Many times I went with her to the Wat where ever we were.
But I found out that the "real, original" Buddhism is very rare to find. Maybe I was in the wrong places, but when I see the many famous Wat in this country and how they make big money, I wonder and ask myself, what they are doing with all that money ?
To come to the point. In the south, were we were living for 6 years, there was one Wat, we very often visited and even the Abbott came to our house to visit us. But as we found out later, her was only interested in me, invited me to sleep in the Wat, was holding my hands and sometimes gave me kisses. At that point We stopped to visit this Wat and went to an other one, where the air was clean.
But I found out that the "real, original" Buddhism is very rare to find. Maybe I was in the wrong places, but when I see the many famous Wat in this country and how they make big money, I wonder and ask myself, what they are doing with all that money ?
To come to the point. In the south, were we were living for 6 years, there was one Wat, we very often visited and even the Abbott came to our house to visit us. But as we found out later, her was only interested in me, invited me to sleep in the Wat, was holding my hands and sometimes gave me kisses. At that point We stopped to visit this Wat and went to an other one, where the air was clean.
Comment 20
Surasak date : 04/02/2009 time : 02:16
date : 04/02/2009 time : 02:16
It is sad to read about these monks, they are the one that could not make it on the outside world. So, they camouflage under the yellow robe as an easy way out. They are the parasites to our Buddhism and the Thais society as a whole.
Comment 21
manit date : 04/02/2009 time : 04:15
date : 04/02/2009 time : 04:15
Sexuality in a monkhood had occured for a long times. The sexual problems occur in every religions in the world, In Buddhism,If we mindfully look within the religion. We clearly see that there is nothing wrong in the teaching of the Buddha since over three thousand years ago, The truth of the Buddha-Dhammas are the same and the Buddha-Dhamma are never out of date. What is wrong of the Buddhism today ? It isn't the Buddhism,but it come from the immorality and unethicality of the monks and the Buddhist because their minds are deluded in greed,anger,ignorance,arrogance and selflishness.They develop the wrong views.If we want to eradicate the problems in the Buddhism,We has to get rid of the bad monks and reform the bad Buddhistes.The Thai Monks organization and the government officers have to punish the people who committed the crimes according to the law of the land.
Comment 22
dave date : 04/02/2009 time : 08:22
date : 04/02/2009 time : 08:22
Issanfarang.
I was told that the Catholic Church introduced celibacy to prevent lineage, which could form a family power structure and "take over" the church
I was told that the Catholic Church introduced celibacy to prevent lineage, which could form a family power structure and "take over" the church
Comment 23
Bubba date : 04/02/2009 time : 09:11
date : 04/02/2009 time : 09:11
comment 6 reads:
"A person when sinned in monk's clothing will reap the heaviest punishment during judgment day. For those who tarnish the image of the saint will be sentence to hell and never be reborn.
and
"spreading falsehood in the name of Buddha.
Amitabha....."
I am not an expert but I believe in the original writings of the Buddha there is no mention of a hell after death. And therefore saying so would be spreading falsehood in the name of the Buddha?
Only later were things like punishment and hell brought into the picture by people unable to stick to the initial teachings of the Buddha. Thai Buddhism seems awash with moralization type add-ons that fit the social program (for better or worse, it is not I that can know)
This article is odd. I simply do not believe that sexually inappropriate behavior is rampant among the monks. Does the writer have a bone to pick?
When khun Sanitsuda writes something like: "the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look, and the public display of feminine gestures," I am surprised.
What exactly is a feminine gesture anyway? And isn't someone coming closer to the divine also not letting the "masculine" gestures drop away? Dividing men and women into masculine and feminine gestures sounds like something from the Middle Ages. I am convinced we share these gestures and characteristics and should feel free to cry as a man, or wear pants as a woman.
With due respect the article reminds me of some Jehovah's Witness style tirades against anything and everything that they find despicable.
I intuit khun Sanitsuda may have her own issues and inner demons to work on...
"A person when sinned in monk's clothing will reap the heaviest punishment during judgment day. For those who tarnish the image of the saint will be sentence to hell and never be reborn.
and
"spreading falsehood in the name of Buddha.
Amitabha....."
I am not an expert but I believe in the original writings of the Buddha there is no mention of a hell after death. And therefore saying so would be spreading falsehood in the name of the Buddha?
Only later were things like punishment and hell brought into the picture by people unable to stick to the initial teachings of the Buddha. Thai Buddhism seems awash with moralization type add-ons that fit the social program (for better or worse, it is not I that can know)
This article is odd. I simply do not believe that sexually inappropriate behavior is rampant among the monks. Does the writer have a bone to pick?
When khun Sanitsuda writes something like: "the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look, and the public display of feminine gestures," I am surprised.
What exactly is a feminine gesture anyway? And isn't someone coming closer to the divine also not letting the "masculine" gestures drop away? Dividing men and women into masculine and feminine gestures sounds like something from the Middle Ages. I am convinced we share these gestures and characteristics and should feel free to cry as a man, or wear pants as a woman.
With due respect the article reminds me of some Jehovah's Witness style tirades against anything and everything that they find despicable.
I intuit khun Sanitsuda may have her own issues and inner demons to work on...
Comment 24
Grey date : 04/02/2009 time : 19:46
date : 04/02/2009 time : 19:46
It appears as though some of the Monks have been in contact with Catholic priests. The only thing that has slowed down the many pedophiles & homosexual Catholic priests from having sex with children (seems most Catholic priests prefer young boys) is lawsuits which result in getting the priests into court and sentenced to prison.
Comment 25
Sickened date : 04/02/2009 time : 23:40
date : 04/02/2009 time : 23:40
That is why I always say Religion SUCKS!! and I mean All religion and their representatives.. They are nothing but hypocrites..
Comment 26
Aung date : 05/02/2009 time : 03:57
date : 05/02/2009 time : 03:57
Buddhism is very clean. But, i don't want to mean sex is not clean since some ppl will not agree with me if i say this, particularly young ppl from western world. Those are very liberal.
But, Buddhism doesn't allow monks or nun to commit any kind of sex. It doesn't even allow to think in their mind.
According to Buddhism, if a monk or nun engages in sex will go to hell after they death.
So, it seems a monk is the only one who will suffer if he commits any kind of sex. But the problem is that it will also effect Buddhism and its whole society. Yet if more and more monks engage in sex, it will ruin and destroy Buddhism and Buddhist society, definitely.
But, Buddhism doesn't allow monks or nun to commit any kind of sex. It doesn't even allow to think in their mind.
According to Buddhism, if a monk or nun engages in sex will go to hell after they death.
So, it seems a monk is the only one who will suffer if he commits any kind of sex. But the problem is that it will also effect Buddhism and its whole society. Yet if more and more monks engage in sex, it will ruin and destroy Buddhism and Buddhist society, definitely.
Comment 27
moo date : 05/02/2009 time : 07:47
date : 05/02/2009 time : 07:47
This is quite annoying me a little, so let me ask you something.
What are you peoples trying to moans and groans here for?
And, Khun sanitsuda, As You are quite educated person here, you do know Thai-Buddhism quite well didn't you?
We, Thai, most of us are such superstitious, corrupted, so called 'Buddhist' who was steered so far far away from the original teaching of the Buddha for a very very long long time ago. sorry to say this but yes, it is the truth. We don't deserve to branded ourselves 'Buddhist' because Buddhism here in our society right now, are just ritual, ritual and money. the Thais want convenient and something not too complicated, we dont like to read and amulet are just fine, so most of us are real idol-worshiper.
What is my evidence? well, these amulet that was (and still are) commercialized by good-for-nothing, money hungry, pedophile, bad monks, they was commercialized for who? us!, ordinary 'Thai Buddhists'.
if there was no demand then there wont be any supply right?
Business is good, remember jatukam amulet fever last year? You need it so they supply it!
And in exchange of that, you give bad guy your money and what do you expect after that?
I suggest that, if you hate supplying monks with money so that they wont buy mobile phone, or use that money pay for their internet war game, well then, throw out you Buddha statue out the windows because you're encouraging someone to idolized and commercialized our Buddha!
And stop that monks invitation for house blessing ritual also, or just dont give them money. also, tell them that it is their job to do blessing people and they suppose not to take anything from that action.
I was there in the temple for a long time, and i saw a lot of thing.
Yes, we did have bad monks as we do have bad police, politician, soldier, teacher, doctor, whatever.
The reason? Well, just look at when one person wanted to become a monk, what is the requirement? what is the practice? do you really being so naive as much as to believe that they (the senior monks or the temple who ordained your son) really and strictly follow what buddha told them to do in tripitaka? NO!
Having aids with you? okay, just be careful while shaving your head.
Being gay? okay, as long as you don't wear make up during the ritual.
Addicted to drugs? okay, we don't see it and we don't care.
Just get out of prison? hey, we dont want to know that.
They really have an interrogation with monk-to-be, but, sadly it was in Pali, the language which all of them don't know what are their meaning or they just don't care!
and by having female monk in the temple,I don't think it will solve any of this problem also because I really don't think that sex will have anything to do in this stupidity.
What are you peoples trying to moans and groans here for?
And, Khun sanitsuda, As You are quite educated person here, you do know Thai-Buddhism quite well didn't you?
We, Thai, most of us are such superstitious, corrupted, so called 'Buddhist' who was steered so far far away from the original teaching of the Buddha for a very very long long time ago. sorry to say this but yes, it is the truth. We don't deserve to branded ourselves 'Buddhist' because Buddhism here in our society right now, are just ritual, ritual and money. the Thais want convenient and something not too complicated, we dont like to read and amulet are just fine, so most of us are real idol-worshiper.
What is my evidence? well, these amulet that was (and still are) commercialized by good-for-nothing, money hungry, pedophile, bad monks, they was commercialized for who? us!, ordinary 'Thai Buddhists'.
if there was no demand then there wont be any supply right?
Business is good, remember jatukam amulet fever last year? You need it so they supply it!
And in exchange of that, you give bad guy your money and what do you expect after that?
I suggest that, if you hate supplying monks with money so that they wont buy mobile phone, or use that money pay for their internet war game, well then, throw out you Buddha statue out the windows because you're encouraging someone to idolized and commercialized our Buddha!
And stop that monks invitation for house blessing ritual also, or just dont give them money. also, tell them that it is their job to do blessing people and they suppose not to take anything from that action.
I was there in the temple for a long time, and i saw a lot of thing.
Yes, we did have bad monks as we do have bad police, politician, soldier, teacher, doctor, whatever.
The reason? Well, just look at when one person wanted to become a monk, what is the requirement? what is the practice? do you really being so naive as much as to believe that they (the senior monks or the temple who ordained your son) really and strictly follow what buddha told them to do in tripitaka? NO!
Having aids with you? okay, just be careful while shaving your head.
Being gay? okay, as long as you don't wear make up during the ritual.
Addicted to drugs? okay, we don't see it and we don't care.
Just get out of prison? hey, we dont want to know that.
They really have an interrogation with monk-to-be, but, sadly it was in Pali, the language which all of them don't know what are their meaning or they just don't care!
and by having female monk in the temple,I don't think it will solve any of this problem also because I really don't think that sex will have anything to do in this stupidity.
Comment 28
mach20 date : 05/02/2009 time : 08:16
date : 05/02/2009 time : 08:16
There are 10 percepts a person being ordained as monk should study and follow by and one of them is refraining from unchaste conducts.As a thai and buddhist myself,I find it shameful to read this article.Its not a matter of being naive to not agree that homosexuality probably exists between the monks and novices but the fact that they're executing it in the grounds of the temple!!!!A temple akin to churches,mosques,synagogues etc is considered a holy place and a person be him a monk or a preist should know that their acts are against the teachings of their prophet or lord.If they can't follow by the commandments that they undertook during ordaination,they should disrobe.They're not only deceiving themselves but also creating a tarnished image of Buddhism and its principles.Some commenters on this article consider that its a "normal" thing that this happens in buddhist monastries(or clergies etc) due to the changing society and the tolerance and acceptance of homophobes but in the matter of religion it isn't.Stopping funds won't barr these deceitful monks or novices from the engaging in their dreadful acts be it going to the slappers for a night or drinking and partying.In the end,its up to the individual anyways to come up with his decision to go on playing this charade or to disrobe and return to the life of a layman
Comment 29
chaiyan leelasuwattanakul date : 05/02/2009 time : 09:33
date : 05/02/2009 time : 09:33
Buddhism is good in itself , all discipline and rules are stipulated for monks and novices to hold and follow. sexual intercourse or any other means which imply or relate to sexual activities are all prohibited . buddhism itself is always pure and cannot be contaminated. in any societies there have good and bad persons , in buddhism too , so donot blame buddhism but how to get rid of those bad monks and novices away.
Comment 30
Chavalit date : 05/02/2009 time : 10:05
It's still part of the natural culture on some South Pacific Islands, as well as several African tribesmen less than 100 years ago, that the older males teach the younger males in the tribe about sex by play, which today we would consider abuse. Usually this lasted from about 10-13years at the most when the older men would even go so far as to help the younger one have an organism. When the boy was deemed ready, an initiation ceremony would be held which involved lavish dances, nakedness, ball bag stretching in some tribes as well as role plays with older woman. After this ceremony, the boy was considered ready for sex, and usually married anytime between 14-17 years of age, with 17 being considered a bit past the sell by date!
Comment 31
Bubba date : 05/02/2009 time : 10:48
date : 05/02/2009 time : 10:48
khun Sanitsuda seems to have started a slew of angry and ranting comments I find flabbergasting.
What on earth is everyone so rabid about?
I mean this article does not even base itself on any facts. It is written AS IF everyone obviously knows the temples are over-run with sex craved bigots.
Pleeeeeease settle down, people.
In the end each individual has to live with him-or-herself.
And in any case, the best way to get someone to interested in sex is to forbid even the thought of it!
So what if people on the margins seek refuge in temples from the world they are unable to deal with? "Seek refuge in the Buddha" is part of what it is all about.
I still have this nagging feeling the writer of the article has a bone to pick and is n a crusade.
Mention one incident, or even several, and then get on with it. But don't tear down the whole structure because you are obsessive and on the warpath.
What on earth is everyone so rabid about?
I mean this article does not even base itself on any facts. It is written AS IF everyone obviously knows the temples are over-run with sex craved bigots.
Pleeeeeease settle down, people.
In the end each individual has to live with him-or-herself.
And in any case, the best way to get someone to interested in sex is to forbid even the thought of it!
So what if people on the margins seek refuge in temples from the world they are unable to deal with? "Seek refuge in the Buddha" is part of what it is all about.
I still have this nagging feeling the writer of the article has a bone to pick and is n a crusade.
Mention one incident, or even several, and then get on with it. But don't tear down the whole structure because you are obsessive and on the warpath.
Comment 32
jack date : 05/02/2009 time : 21:54
I have an idea!! Lets all convert to Islam. Then we can execute those clergy who don't abstain from sex, or who take bribes. Simply kicking them out won't do the trick. Better yet, enforce it upon all the population. Too much damn sex going on anyway. And make selling and usage of Viagra and impotence pills a death penalty.
Comment 33
pierre corso date : 05/02/2009 time : 23:28
date : 05/02/2009 time : 23:28
Human is human .Though,religion is an important part of culture that has shaped every society today. We all live with it and keep passing it through future generations conscious- and unconsciously. Every religion has their rules and regulations to observe .Those who have engaged themselves as clergies or priests should not break the rules . It 's the question of responsibility towards the rest of society .
Comment 34
Vic date : 06/02/2009 time : 00:26
date : 06/02/2009 time : 00:26
This sort of thing is not new and you can find it in every sects and religions everywhere.
What is needed to be done is for all of us to be smart enough to differentiate beween the good and the bad and not looking only at the surface.
What is needed to be done is for all of us to be smart enough to differentiate beween the good and the bad and not looking only at the surface.
Comment 35
Mr. Apinan date : 06/02/2009 time : 01:55
date : 06/02/2009 time : 01:55"For God(for all people)so loved the world, that he sent his only Son, Jesus
to died on our behalves, so that whosoever will believe in him(Jesus)will not die, but have eternal life"
John 3:16
Comment 36
Surasak date : 06/02/2009 time : 03:37
date : 06/02/2009 time : 03:37
Moo's comments #27 is right on the mark. Most Thais don't believe in themselves. They are very superstitious, spirit house on every home, so many fortune tellers make a good living in Thailand. It is a failed hope!
Comment 37
rogerdavid brown date : 06/02/2009 time : 04:49
date : 06/02/2009 time : 04:49
Buddhism is one of the best "religions". I would recommend reading "The God delusion" written by Richard Dawkins. He is an atheist, but acknowledges the need for religious teaching, as a way of attaining right thinking and about living with values. He clearly sees that Buddhism is less religious than other religions.
Just look at the chaos and crimes that have and continue to be committed in the name of the same God that Jews, Christians and Muslims follow.
Better we as a species regional altogether, but if we must, be as the original teaching of the greatest teacher, Buddha, gave us.
Just look at the chaos and crimes that have and continue to be committed in the name of the same God that Jews, Christians and Muslims follow.
Better we as a species regional altogether, but if we must, be as the original teaching of the greatest teacher, Buddha, gave us.
Comment 38
boon date : 06/02/2009 time : 06:30
date : 06/02/2009 time : 06:30
Thai Buddhism is also used by the dictators. I wonder if there is a 'Thai Buddhism'. Asoke is deeply involved with armed and violent protest and divide the Kingdom.
Thaksin, out of respect for Buddhism, decided not to sue the temple for defaming him and he forgives them. What he got was the incident is now being used to further defame him and used in various smear campaign.
Buddhism???
Thaksin, out of respect for Buddhism, decided not to sue the temple for defaming him and he forgives them. What he got was the incident is now being used to further defame him and used in various smear campaign.
Buddhism???
Comment 39
ray date : 06/02/2009 time : 08:32
date : 06/02/2009 time : 08:32
I have to question anyone who would join an organization which prohibits it's members from having sex, the very nature of our existance. all you need to do is take a look at the roman catholic church and the rampant abuse of young boys who placed their trust in these dispicable characters. I realise that not all that join these religious organisations are bad people, but why must they be required to refrain from one of life's beautiful pleasures.
Comment 40
pon date : 06/02/2009 time : 08:57
date : 06/02/2009 time : 08:57
Buddhist monks should have some useful activities. They have to report what they have done each day. I don't want to hear that Buddhism is the religion of lazy people.
Comment 41
Bubba date : 07/02/2009 time : 01:19
date : 07/02/2009 time : 01:19
I still don't know what all the fuss is about. The article suggests sex is rampant in temples and as if she is some kind of police, judge & jury.
She does rant and now most comments are ranting.
"For God(for all people)so loved the world, that he sent his only Son, Jesus
to died on our behalves, so that whosoever will believe in him(Jesus)will not die, but have eternal life"
John 3:16
Apinan what is the point of that quote here? I seriously doubt you even know what that means.
A simpler and more appropriate quote would have been "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."
But this is not a place to lobby for misinterpreted Christianity. There are enough problems already without trying to inject more concept of sin and JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY into Thai society.
She does rant and now most comments are ranting.
"For God(for all people)so loved the world, that he sent his only Son, Jesus
to died on our behalves, so that whosoever will believe in him(Jesus)will not die, but have eternal life"
John 3:16
Apinan what is the point of that quote here? I seriously doubt you even know what that means.
A simpler and more appropriate quote would have been "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."
But this is not a place to lobby for misinterpreted Christianity. There are enough problems already without trying to inject more concept of sin and JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY into Thai society.
Comment 42
Ryan date : 07/02/2009 time : 02:14
date : 07/02/2009 time : 02:14
This seems to be a problem of lack of education, including most of the posters above me who are quick to criticize the Buddha-dharma without taking the time to learn anything about it. For the record:
Celibacy for monastics certainly was a rule laid down by the Buddha in his lifetime, not a later addition as in Christianity.
The monkhood is for those who have renounced the world, as the lifestyle best suited to progress on the path to liberation from the cycle of rebirth. "Enjoying life's natural pleasures" will only increase one's desire, ignorance, and attachment to the sense of "self". Thus taking one further from the goal. However, the Buddha gave many teachings to married disciples more suited to their temperament to lead them more gradually to Enlightenment in future lives.
The Buddha certainly did talk about the possibility for rebirth in hells, as hungry ghosts, or as animals for those who have committed negative actions. Not as scare tactics, but just showing the truth of the law of cause and effect.
If interested please read "In the Buddha's Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon" (edited by Bhikkhu Bodhi) to learn what was actually taught by the Buddha.
Celibacy for monastics certainly was a rule laid down by the Buddha in his lifetime, not a later addition as in Christianity.
The monkhood is for those who have renounced the world, as the lifestyle best suited to progress on the path to liberation from the cycle of rebirth. "Enjoying life's natural pleasures" will only increase one's desire, ignorance, and attachment to the sense of "self". Thus taking one further from the goal. However, the Buddha gave many teachings to married disciples more suited to their temperament to lead them more gradually to Enlightenment in future lives.
The Buddha certainly did talk about the possibility for rebirth in hells, as hungry ghosts, or as animals for those who have committed negative actions. Not as scare tactics, but just showing the truth of the law of cause and effect.
If interested please read "In the Buddha's Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon" (edited by Bhikkhu Bodhi) to learn what was actually taught by the Buddha.
Comment 43
Jamshed K.Fozdar date : 07/02/2009 time : 03:28
date : 07/02/2009 time : 03:28
From the earliest years the Sangha elders corrupted the Buddha's pure sayings eg.His last admonition was to look only to the Dharma as your refuge and guide "Dharmam Saranam Gatchami".
Soon thereafter, the monks added the other two,"Buddham & Dharmam Saranam Gatchamis".As the Buddha warned "There is one impurity greater than all impurities.Ignorance is the greatest impurity..."(Dhammapada Verse,243. My books, "THE GOD OF BUDDHA"
& "BUDDHA MAITRYA-AMITABHA HAS APPEARED"
should enlighten the seeker on the pure message of the Buddha as well as His assurance for the Dharma's rejuvenation by the advent of the 5th.Buddha Maitrya,
which has already occurred.
My books are available in both english,french and Thai from Kled Thai Bangkok.or thru Google.
Jamshed K. Fozdar
Soon thereafter, the monks added the other two,"Buddham & Dharmam Saranam Gatchamis".As the Buddha warned "There is one impurity greater than all impurities.Ignorance is the greatest impurity..."(Dhammapada Verse,243. My books, "THE GOD OF BUDDHA"
& "BUDDHA MAITRYA-AMITABHA HAS APPEARED"
should enlighten the seeker on the pure message of the Buddha as well as His assurance for the Dharma's rejuvenation by the advent of the 5th.Buddha Maitrya,
which has already occurred.
My books are available in both english,french and Thai from Kled Thai Bangkok.or thru Google.
Jamshed K. Fozdar
Comment 44
Cephalus date : 07/02/2009 time : 08:55
date : 07/02/2009 time : 08:55
Sometimes I go shopping for computer gadgets at Pantip Plaza and see at least a few monks doing the same thing. They shop for computers, mobile phones, and even DVDs, and I can't help wondering if it is ok for them to do so. I always thought that monks were supposed to live a secluded life, far away from the material world. Or Perhaps I'm a little old-fashioned.
Comment 45
David date : 07/02/2009 time : 10:13
date : 07/02/2009 time : 10:13
Hey, ALL religions are the SAME!
ALL take your time and your money!
Then ALL promise there's a better place after you die!
ALL take your time and your money!
Then ALL promise there's a better place after you die!
Comment 47
Micky date : 07/02/2009 time : 15:11
date : 07/02/2009 time : 15:11
At least the Buddhists move quickly to get them out. Catholic clergy who molest just get moved around. The never get kicked out. They are just babyed for breaking the law.
In the end, people have to forget organized religion and look to God directly. In the end, organized, organized religion is not going to be with us in this life or the next.
In the end, people have to forget organized religion and look to God directly. In the end, organized, organized religion is not going to be with us in this life or the next.
Comment 48
Henry date : 07/02/2009 time : 15:59
date : 07/02/2009 time : 15:59
I am a farang who has taught english in a wat for four years. Yes I.ve heard stories of sexual misconduct going on with the novices. My question is ,where is the security. Parents send their young sons, some as young as five year olds to the wat feeling their boys will be safe from abuse from older boys and monks. By security if there were bed checks at a late hour when the boys are sleeping and they are found to be doing things which are inapropriate, they must be stoped and told of the consequence if found to be doing it again.If young boys are at risk it is the Abbots responsibility to make sure young boys are safe. He should have someone doing the policing. If he cannot or will not act responsibly then he should be changed. Finally the boys should be told upon entering the Wat that if anyone touches them inapropiatly they should tell the Abbot or their parents or a family member. It is a violation which can scar a boy for life.
Comment 49
SPICEMAN date : 07/02/2009 time : 21:19
date : 07/02/2009 time : 21:19
Is Buddhism in crisis? If living in emptiness in crisis? Budda established his new found faith as a godless religion. But today, Buddha is being worshipped as god himself, along with numerous Hindu gods, not to mention strange-looking trees, fruits, or even rocks. So what's going on? Should we have faith in emptiness or nothingness? And for what? Prositution is becoming a profession of choice even for high-school students. Buddha is long dead and he's not coming back. Should we think of something better?
Comment 50
David Angkor date : 08/02/2009 time : 00:58
date : 08/02/2009 time : 00:58
Obviously a stimulating article. Much like the 'fallen' monks being discussed, many contributors are playing fast and loose with the truth. Islam was upheld in multiple posts as something of an example but, experience has taught me the falsehood of this claim. Khun Moo's somewhat choppy remarks are probably the most accurate overall. I have observed the 'blessing of homes' (and businesses) and there has usually been money exchanged. This is like paying for consecration or spiritual protection.
The amulet craze is reminiscent of a similar phenomenon I observed in the USA regarding the 'Save Our Troops' magnetic ribbons for our cars. Both are all about seeking the easier softer way. Rather than meditating to achieve enlightenment or sitting down to write a lonely soldier a letter, so-called buddhists and so-called patriots buy amulets and magnets so they can get back to their real interests more quickly - shopping and eating.
I don't pretend to have the wisdom of the ages so I won't bore others with my opinions about whether sex in the temple/monastery/clergy should be tolerated, but I don't think it really matters that much except to a few religious zealots. It matters less if my child's teacher or priest or monk were a pedophile if I am actually engaged in the process of raising them. The problem lies with constantly seeking the easier softer way to everything; spirituality, work, parenting, marriage...in so doing we are asleep at the wheel.
The amulet craze is reminiscent of a similar phenomenon I observed in the USA regarding the 'Save Our Troops' magnetic ribbons for our cars. Both are all about seeking the easier softer way. Rather than meditating to achieve enlightenment or sitting down to write a lonely soldier a letter, so-called buddhists and so-called patriots buy amulets and magnets so they can get back to their real interests more quickly - shopping and eating.
I don't pretend to have the wisdom of the ages so I won't bore others with my opinions about whether sex in the temple/monastery/clergy should be tolerated, but I don't think it really matters that much except to a few religious zealots. It matters less if my child's teacher or priest or monk were a pedophile if I am actually engaged in the process of raising them. The problem lies with constantly seeking the easier softer way to everything; spirituality, work, parenting, marriage...in so doing we are asleep at the wheel.
Comment 51
UR888 date : 08/02/2009 time : 10:09
date : 08/02/2009 time : 10:09
If the Buddha was here on earth in todays world his teachings would surely be different. Hell as we see it painted on the temple's walls or in books would look different. Maybe temptation, hell, evil and bad would be painted as cell phones, computers, sex trade, massage parlors etc etc. Temples alone canot stay back in time with rules which were given by the followers of Buddha in later years and centuries. Temples today are to some degree a relection of society. And Thai people are not excempt from sins. Thai people have a lot of sex, thai men have a lot of wives and girlfriends. people lie, people murder, people think bad, talk bad etc etc. Not just in Thailand but everywhere. To believe in the Buddha's teaching is the only way to free yourself from today's dependencies. Saying that a Monk who has sex will not be reborn anymore is pure non-sense. Abots who have sex parties need to be reborn to be able to do better next time. I am sure that the Buddha did not intend for the monks to live in golden temples with very expensive Buddha statues instead of helping the poor. How many rich temples are locked and closed and you have to beg (if you find someone) for the door of the Ubosot to be opened so you can pay your respect to the Buddha. The wheel of dhamma is turning fast and changing fast. But the inner message of the Buddha is still the same - free yourself from your dependencies.
Comment 52
Benz63 date : 08/02/2009 time : 15:29
date : 08/02/2009 time : 15:29
A land of contradictions. The Thailand I left several years ago is not the same, Buddhism has become a commercial, fit-it-into your schedule practice, and the real meaning seems to have been lost. What happened to vegetarianism, why are there teenage elephants walking the highways and sois for sugarcane, and why are hundreds of street dogs full of mange and disease running the streets - is this what Buddhism has come to represent? The scandal of the Abbots appears to be the final downfall of a once sacred and spiritual way of life.
Comment 53
Alfred Gruetzner date : 09/02/2009 time : 08:58
date : 09/02/2009 time : 08:58
To Chom comment 15
your comment:
Sad to read that there are people like you who write things like that.
If you have this kind of thinking no way to discuss this problem with you.
Sorry but you are sick in your brain and in sick in your heart
may god help you!
regards
alfred
your comment:
Sad to read that there are people like you who write things like that.
If you have this kind of thinking no way to discuss this problem with you.
Sorry but you are sick in your brain and in sick in your heart
may god help you!
regards
alfred
Comment 54
yari date : 09/02/2009 time : 18:06
date : 09/02/2009 time : 18:06
No one can see GOD unless through his only begotton son JESUs CHRIST.
Comment 55
SPICEMAN date : 09/02/2009 time : 18:11
date : 09/02/2009 time : 18:11
Is Buddhism in crisis? Is living in emptiness in crisis? Wow, what's a surprise? Look around, corruptions and prostitution of all kinds all over the place, male, female, kids, you name it. Thailand is a Buddhist nation? What's a joke. I turned my back to Buddhism long time ago. I am no longer living in emptiness.
Comment 56
Ajahn Greg date : 09/02/2009 time : 20:02
date : 09/02/2009 time : 20:02
The practice of a Bhikkhu (monk) is called bathibat (simply, "practice"). A persons in a robe is not by magic a super person. He or she is a person trying to practice as the Buddha taught in order to reach Nibbana or liberation from the fetters that bring about the pain of dukkha, stress or unsatisfactoriness. So why do we expect that these humans are any more enlightened than the rest of us. What makes us different is the outward sign of ordination which means that these people are attempting to avoid those things that bring about dukkha. Are we surprised that they don't always succeed? A young man from a poor family is able to get an education by becoming a novice. Most disrobe and become "householders". The rare few continue on to spend years in the robes to practice further. Some get caught in the snares of samsara, ignorance, greed, and envie. They see the world using cellphones and watching DVD's. If their practice has been unfruitful, they get caught in the desire for these signs of the modern world.
It took thousands of years for a Buddha to appear. It has been 2552 years since then. Why are we surprised by the imperfection of our fellow humans. If we really practiced metta (loving-kindness) we would see their suffering as being nothing more that a sign of being no more enlightened than we are.
So whether they are gay or not has nothing to do with not being as perfect as a Buddha. Is a man who feels attraction from other men any less tempted than a man who feels attraction from women? Is it easier for a man to engage in sex with another man while in the robes than for him to do so with a woman? Both require great discretion as does all sexual activity. Our own obsession with the sexuality of others, gay or straight, is far more disturbing to us than the acts, real or imagined, of others. As for the defence of minors, it goes without saying that all adults need to be on the lookout for abuse of the young. But it is absolutely certain that those acts of abuse are far more frequent outside the Wat than they are within the grounds of Thai temples.
As for those posters above who have cited Islam or Christianity as alternatives, it is evident these people have never studied Buddha's teachings. Dhamma is and always will be, the Great Refuge.
May all beings be well, happy and peaceful.
It took thousands of years for a Buddha to appear. It has been 2552 years since then. Why are we surprised by the imperfection of our fellow humans. If we really practiced metta (loving-kindness) we would see their suffering as being nothing more that a sign of being no more enlightened than we are.
So whether they are gay or not has nothing to do with not being as perfect as a Buddha. Is a man who feels attraction from other men any less tempted than a man who feels attraction from women? Is it easier for a man to engage in sex with another man while in the robes than for him to do so with a woman? Both require great discretion as does all sexual activity. Our own obsession with the sexuality of others, gay or straight, is far more disturbing to us than the acts, real or imagined, of others. As for the defence of minors, it goes without saying that all adults need to be on the lookout for abuse of the young. But it is absolutely certain that those acts of abuse are far more frequent outside the Wat than they are within the grounds of Thai temples.
As for those posters above who have cited Islam or Christianity as alternatives, it is evident these people have never studied Buddha's teachings. Dhamma is and always will be, the Great Refuge.
May all beings be well, happy and peaceful.
Interesting article. Many insightful comments. Khun Moo, you identify the failings of Thai buddhism well. Ajahn Greg, you explain what buddhism could be. And David Angkor describes the real bottom line. Buddhism is a practice. Those of you who confuse it with religion are pushing the breeze. It is meant to be hard work. You think you can buy Nibbana?
Thai Buddhism is better than nothing. Suggesting the solution is 'to come to Jebus' (or any other theism) is idiotic. However, given the rampant materialism, racism and lack of spiritual and intellectual rigor endemic in Thai culture at present, a solution needs to be discussed. Buddhism cannot 'fail', it is four simple truths and logical behavior derived from them; however it can fail to be useful. This article and several comments delineate that.
One point that doesn't seem to have been stressed adequately is that the Sangha is not a form of employment. Being a monk is not a job. Khun Moo, yes the amulet craze and paying for blessings point to corruption but let's be as specific as possible. The root of this sickness is materialism; desire has taken root in the Wat and not only do most people not want to listen to Buddha's teachings but many, many monks are not qualified to give them.
Thai Buddhism is better than nothing. Suggesting the solution is 'to come to Jebus' (or any other theism) is idiotic. However, given the rampant materialism, racism and lack of spiritual and intellectual rigor endemic in Thai culture at present, a solution needs to be discussed. Buddhism cannot 'fail', it is four simple truths and logical behavior derived from them; however it can fail to be useful. This article and several comments delineate that.
One point that doesn't seem to have been stressed adequately is that the Sangha is not a form of employment. Being a monk is not a job. Khun Moo, yes the amulet craze and paying for blessings point to corruption but let's be as specific as possible. The root of this sickness is materialism; desire has taken root in the Wat and not only do most people not want to listen to Buddha's teachings but many, many monks are not qualified to give them.
Comment 58
Des date : 10/02/2009 time : 04:44
pffft - why bother talking about sex in the monastery? Thailand's Buddhism had been washed away long time ago. One can no longer find the real essence of Buddhism in Thailand.
You still see people worshipping idols, monks performing rituals to enchant idols, monks creating charms and amulets, etc. Somehow the monks are missing the point when Buddha said that one should not put faith in charms and amulets. Yet, most (all) charms and amulets are created by monks. The irony of it.
Today you see monks:
with mobile phones
True Vision satellites on their roof
Hi speed internet
At pantip you see them:
buying pirate DVDs and VCDs movies
buying mp3 music/player and sometimes porn
Through the years, I've lost repect for these individuals. I don't all them monks, but mere losers who has to hide behind the robes just to live a life. Strange part is, the society allows this.
buying
yes my dear, ur religion is as useless as most others, dont u see all these monks are crooks and dupes? why u bother to feed them??
Comment 60
Devout date : 10/02/2009 time : 16:34
date : 10/02/2009 time : 16:34
There are some confused ideas in this discussion.
Firstly, society does not regulate religon. This is done by the clergy according to the scriptures.
Secondly, to link religion with the deceitful or criminal actions of a few individuals is like blaming a country for the criminal actions of one of it's citizens. The religions have rules on general behaviour as well as behaviour for their clergy. People who thinks that the religion is the fault are deluded. Perhaps more news needs to be given to reporting the criminal action done by Aethiests.
Firstly, society does not regulate religon. This is done by the clergy according to the scriptures.
Secondly, to link religion with the deceitful or criminal actions of a few individuals is like blaming a country for the criminal actions of one of it's citizens. The religions have rules on general behaviour as well as behaviour for their clergy. People who thinks that the religion is the fault are deluded. Perhaps more news needs to be given to reporting the criminal action done by Aethiests.
Buddhism in Thailand is fast becoming nothing more than a business, business and corruption
seem co-dependent in Thailand.
seem co-dependent in Thailand.
Comment 62
ashley date : 11/02/2009 time : 02:56
date : 11/02/2009 time : 02:56
The power we human beings have to transform ourselves is not restricted to any one philosophy or religion - it is something natural to us, as is the indulgence of our animal natures too. One aspect of any religion is to provide a doctrinal access to the choice to follow particular paths and goals, rather than being at the mercy of our lesser selves.
We start that process wherever we happen to be at the moment, and it's a lifelong process of internalizing the teachings through action.
Shakyamuni Buddha declared that about 2000 years after his death the age would be muddied, and the power of his teachings in their original form would lose their power to save people from suffering - what an amazing prediction, and a truly humble attitude. Given this statement how do we find a way?
May I suggest that the teachings have been revitalized, many years ago, and are being lived by many people around the world.
If you are interested to discover more about this, please seek out the activities of Soka Gakkai Thailand, and more generally, Soka Gakkai International.
We start that process wherever we happen to be at the moment, and it's a lifelong process of internalizing the teachings through action.
Shakyamuni Buddha declared that about 2000 years after his death the age would be muddied, and the power of his teachings in their original form would lose their power to save people from suffering - what an amazing prediction, and a truly humble attitude. Given this statement how do we find a way?
May I suggest that the teachings have been revitalized, many years ago, and are being lived by many people around the world.
If you are interested to discover more about this, please seek out the activities of Soka Gakkai Thailand, and more generally, Soka Gakkai International.
Comment 63
niessen, dierk date : 11/02/2009 time : 12:03
date : 11/02/2009 time : 12:03
As long as most educated Thais admire the western cultures more than their own, there is little hope for the practice in the monasteries.
Stop fighting each other and start, as
o n e n a t i o n to remember your own heroes (Venerable Phra Acharn Mun Bhuridatta Thera and many others more), who followed once the path of the Buddha, unwavering and re-assured, not being disturbed by foreign lamentations.
The western cultures can`t really help you, as they are wading up to their necks in blood, due to their Karmic deeds, they have to carry on their back,
(as: inventing Communism, World Wars/I-II, Ausschwitz, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Vietnam, Korea, Latin America, the Philippines...etc., etc., etc.) doomed to an utter defeat. Their present existence is but a continuation of a frustrated past.
Wake up Thailand and fight the real culprits, like Five-Star-General MOHA,
Field Marshal LOBHA and Admiral DOSA, who are out to win every battle. They are grabing the Western Hemisphere already by the throat.
Stop fighting each other and start, as
o n e n a t i o n to remember your own heroes (Venerable Phra Acharn Mun Bhuridatta Thera and many others more), who followed once the path of the Buddha, unwavering and re-assured, not being disturbed by foreign lamentations.
The western cultures can`t really help you, as they are wading up to their necks in blood, due to their Karmic deeds, they have to carry on their back,
(as: inventing Communism, World Wars/I-II, Ausschwitz, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Vietnam, Korea, Latin America, the Philippines...etc., etc., etc.) doomed to an utter defeat. Their present existence is but a continuation of a frustrated past.
Wake up Thailand and fight the real culprits, like Five-Star-General MOHA,
Field Marshal LOBHA and Admiral DOSA, who are out to win every battle. They are grabing the Western Hemisphere already by the throat.
Comment 64
Gerald Brunner date : 11/02/2009 time : 14:54
I normally don't comment on any articles, but reading through these comments, I must make one statement :
I don't judge about anyone's sex pratices and whether he or she is hetero or gay, that doesn't bother me. But if someone abuses children, specially if they have been entrusted to him, he or she conducts a crime. This is valid for anyone in any religion.
I don't judge about anyone's sex pratices and whether he or she is hetero or gay, that doesn't bother me. But if someone abuses children, specially if they have been entrusted to him, he or she conducts a crime. This is valid for anyone in any religion.
Comment 65
Ajarn_Jonesy date : 13/02/2009 time : 20:40
date : 13/02/2009 time : 20:40
That is why I always say Religion SUCKS!! and I mean All religion and their representatives.. They are nothing but hypocrites..
This is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen... And it is your opinion my friend. Don't make fun of what others believe in.
This is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen... And it is your opinion my friend. Don't make fun of what others believe in.
Comment 66
Harry date : 14/02/2009 time : 00:24
date : 14/02/2009 time : 00:24
There should be certain tests people have to go through before being aloud to be a monk or any religion, whether that means doing sycholigical tests, or similar tests that they do in the army, this will help keep out sick minded people. Not just allow anyone willy nilly to be a monk.
Comment 67
simon clark date : 14/02/2009 time : 02:58
date : 14/02/2009 time : 02:58
Helooooooooooo Thailand......Just love the place.....yep i had the private schools in the west and the wild parties and fast cars...just loved my 900 kawasaki.....no mater what you have or where you are its never going to be perfect and thats why we are human.. The monks are kool and the girls soooo sweet and the food well..... its hot . God bless you all and see you soon...Simon
Comment 68
KatB date : 14/02/2009 time : 08:38
date : 14/02/2009 time : 08:38
It is hard to reconcile monks inspecting gems with eyeglasses, telling fortunes for cash and selling amulets with the teachings of Buddha.As a result I just view them as businessmen in monks clothing. Monks who prey on and abuse children should be subject to the harshest of jail terms.
Comment 69
Pat date : 14/02/2009 time : 15:40
date : 14/02/2009 time : 15:40
Follow the core teaching of the religion. Do good things that mean no harm to yourselves and others.
Good thing start from ourselves then the family, the neighborhood and society. If we can make a change to ourselves first we can change the world to the better place.
The biggest problem would be to change ourselves because we don't want to. Although we know what's good for us, we just don't want to change for many reason. That's why there are so many pains and suffers in this world.
Good thing start from ourselves then the family, the neighborhood and society. If we can make a change to ourselves first we can change the world to the better place.
The biggest problem would be to change ourselves because we don't want to. Although we know what's good for us, we just don't want to change for many reason. That's why there are so many pains and suffers in this world.
Comment 70
Paulo Gaeta date : 15/02/2009 time : 09:32
date : 15/02/2009 time : 09:32
Sawasdee Krup
As a farang when I first visited Thailand I was really impressed by Thai Buddhism and it's beautiful temples. There are some really fantastic temples in Thailand!! But returning a few times and talking to monks I slowly developed a view that many people in the temples are there for themselves, some of them even told me that they hoped to develop supernatural powers. So I think that many people involved in monkhood are there because they don't have any other perspective in life.
But I'm sure, there are some who meditate and would like to follow the path laid by Lord Buddha.
And also I think the temples are really important for the Thais because there are many sincere people who love Lord Buddha.
As a farang when I first visited Thailand I was really impressed by Thai Buddhism and it's beautiful temples. There are some really fantastic temples in Thailand!! But returning a few times and talking to monks I slowly developed a view that many people in the temples are there for themselves, some of them even told me that they hoped to develop supernatural powers. So I think that many people involved in monkhood are there because they don't have any other perspective in life.
But I'm sure, there are some who meditate and would like to follow the path laid by Lord Buddha.
And also I think the temples are really important for the Thais because there are many sincere people who love Lord Buddha.
Comment 71
Corto Maltese date : 16/02/2009 time : 05:42
date : 16/02/2009 time : 05:42
I rule for all, paedophiles from whatever religion or country should be listed and killed.
That's it, don't need to find them any excuses.
That's it, don't need to find them any excuses.
Comment 72
Peter date : 17/02/2009 time : 01:49
date : 17/02/2009 time : 01:49
First of all the practise of Bhudissum is far different from What Bhuddha taught, and what is really pracising in India the orgin of religion.
First make the changes in it is what I feel
First make the changes in it is what I feel
Comment 73
Bussaba date : 17/02/2009 time : 02:57
date : 17/02/2009 time : 02:57
It is a sign of collapsed in Buddhism. Practitioners does mistakes and repeat it again and again. Buddhists should give their responsibility to stop such misconducts.
Comment 74
roger david brown date : 18/02/2009 time : 04:38
date : 18/02/2009 time : 04:38
Whilst I agree with the condemnation of com.71,
(of pedophiles are disgusting, and most of them straight)
killing them is going too far. Just castrate them, and let the law take its course.
(of pedophiles are disgusting, and most of them straight)
killing them is going too far. Just castrate them, and let the law take its course.
Comment 75
Minu date : 18/02/2009 time : 04:51
Pressing this news on a Public news paper like Bangkok post is very sad in a Buddhist country where there are 97% people are Buddhist. One should understand that Sexuality is the nature of every sentient being.The world and the worldly being are in the condition of cause and effect.So in this country there are good and bad as well. Although having sex by a monk is completely prohabited in Buddhist rules but there sould be understood what should be publish and what should not be publish. In everything there is a personality. We should understand that there is special responsible Sangha administration to look after the Sangha community. Doing publish like this publicly is a very shameful news to every Buddhist in the Kingdom of Thailand. Although it is a news paper But I humbly request to the editor of the Bangkokpost pls be understood with kind attention.
Comment 76
Minu date : 18/02/2009 time : 04:53
date : 18/02/2009 time : 04:53
Pressing this news on a Public news paper like Bangkok post is very sad in a Buddhist country where there are 97% people are Buddhist. One should understand that Sexuality is the nature of every sentient being.The world and the worldly being are in the condition of cause and effect.So in this country there are good and bad as well. Although having sex by a monk is completely prohabited in Buddhist rules but there sould be understood what should be publish and what should not be publish. In everything there is a personality. We should understand that there is special responsible Sangha administration to look after the Sangha community. Doing publish like this publicly is a very shameful news to every Buddhist in the Kingdom of Thailand. Although it is a news paper But I humbly request to the editor of the Bangkokpost pls be understood with kind attention.
Comment 77
Baba date : 18/02/2009 time : 11:44
date : 18/02/2009 time : 11:44
Why so hot disccussed about monk habit,..he is a human also and need sex...give them sex that clear...what else?
I think buddha people should change the maind, change to the 21 century, buddha country is very cruel..please see the rohingya people, they genocide by buddha country burna and thailand....what you say now?
I think buddha people should change the maind, change to the 21 century, buddha country is very cruel..please see the rohingya people, they genocide by buddha country burna and thailand....what you say now?
Comment 78
Karl Straub date : 18/02/2009 time : 21:47
date : 18/02/2009 time : 21:47
The only way to get out of the wheel of Samsara (rebirth) is to develop the god-conciousness.If we think of god at the time
we leave our body, we go home, and never come back again.If we are attached on something else, we have to come back.So buddhism is the negation-way, so we can become free from attachment, and can become attached to buddha.Naturally at the time of "death" we think of the one , or thing we love most.If we think on god at that time our life is perfect.The strongest bondage here on earth is the sexdesire (it is a perversion of love for god).If we can master this disire, or regulate, we are on the way.Its not easy, but we make live after live progress.If amulets helps us to remember god, we can use it. We should accept everything that help us remeber god, and let all be, that makes us vorgett god.god-conciousness is not dependant on any religon.god is in us and we are in god, and there is nothing else then god, if we have eyes to see.Just try to become free of Karma, through loving service for god.
we leave our body, we go home, and never come back again.If we are attached on something else, we have to come back.So buddhism is the negation-way, so we can become free from attachment, and can become attached to buddha.Naturally at the time of "death" we think of the one , or thing we love most.If we think on god at that time our life is perfect.The strongest bondage here on earth is the sexdesire (it is a perversion of love for god).If we can master this disire, or regulate, we are on the way.Its not easy, but we make live after live progress.If amulets helps us to remember god, we can use it. We should accept everything that help us remeber god, and let all be, that makes us vorgett god.god-conciousness is not dependant on any religon.god is in us and we are in god, and there is nothing else then god, if we have eyes to see.Just try to become free of Karma, through loving service for god.
Comment 80
Farouk Mogheth date : 20/02/2009 time : 04:24
date : 20/02/2009 time : 04:24
As in any religion, even Buddhism fell prey to corruption, commercialization and most of all the "eroding" of original teachings. How can you put "cannot ordain a gay" and "Buddhism" in the same sentence?
Wasn't it Buddhism that prouds itself to be the most "civilized" of all faiths putting no barriers or differences between people of different shades, sexes and sexual orientation?
sad how people always manage to destroy such noble thoughts in favour of a nice car, a big house and loads of credit cards.
Wasn't it Buddhism that prouds itself to be the most "civilized" of all faiths putting no barriers or differences between people of different shades, sexes and sexual orientation?
sad how people always manage to destroy such noble thoughts in favour of a nice car, a big house and loads of credit cards.
Comment 81
Marc date : 20/02/2009 time : 05:42
date : 20/02/2009 time : 05:42
Wow! Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially "Chom".
How can you even begin to contend that you are seeking the path with comments like that?
I hope that one day you find your way back to the path.
How can you even begin to contend that you are seeking the path with comments like that?
I hope that one day you find your way back to the path.
Comment 82
Old Farang date : 20/02/2009 time : 15:04
date : 20/02/2009 time : 15:04
If you look up "Celibacy" in most dictionaries, it means not being married. A secondary meaning is abstaining from sexual intercourse.
If a person chooses to become a monk or
priest for life, they should have no
problem having their gonads removed.
This would take away the temptation,
since the gonads are where Testosterone
is produced, which gives a man his libido.
If a person chooses to become a monk or
priest for life, they should have no
problem having their gonads removed.
This would take away the temptation,
since the gonads are where Testosterone
is produced, which gives a man his libido.
Comment 83
sss date : 21/02/2009 time : 01:22
date : 21/02/2009 time : 01:22
I believe thai buddism need overhaul. No one yonger than 55 should be a monk. They should out to work to support economy.why let all women carry economy of the nation when there is a good portion of men in temple. this is not fair. They is a myth about unmarry person is pure to become a monk. Buddha himself was married and had a son.what was wrong with that?
I wonder what's going on with monks and sacred tigers?
Are they part of the Bestiality-Rights revolution?
See the hilarious new film, COMING SOON, for more details. You can watch it for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz.
Really, really interesting!
Are they part of the Bestiality-Rights revolution?
See the hilarious new film, COMING SOON, for more details. You can watch it for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz.
Really, really interesting!
Comment 85
SSP date : 21/02/2009 time : 15:31
date : 21/02/2009 time : 15:31
Money and power corrupt. Monks and nuns take the vow of simple living and rely on the kindness of others for their daily needs. As long as lay Buddhists stop giving them money, properties and power they will help the monks and nuns on their path. So stop corrupting them. Treat them as equals, dhamma brothers and sisters, and do not think that they are better than lay Buddhists. Stop thinking that one will get extra merit by giving money and properties to temples - give them to public charities instead, like doctors without border. That should clean up the root of the mess.
Comment 86
Buddy date : 21/02/2009 time : 22:49
date : 21/02/2009 time : 22:49
Why is it that we condemn a religion based on the actions of a few individuals? It's like saying that because Hitler was mass murderer that all german people are mass murderers... It just doesn't make sense.
Real (REAL) religious people, regardless of their faith, practice what they preach and do their best to make the world a better place - PERIOD.
Real (REAL) religious people, regardless of their faith, practice what they preach and do their best to make the world a better place - PERIOD.
Comment 87
Lou date : 22/02/2009 time : 02:40
date : 22/02/2009 time : 02:40
We are all capable of the human stain as well as loving kindness or unconditional love. It is very easy to point the finger rather than review one's own behavior. What can we learn from these scandals? How can we react in a way so that it will make us become better people rather than the fuel that feds the anger and disgust?
Comment 88
mepps date : 22/02/2009 time : 03:53
date : 22/02/2009 time : 03:53
I agree, Chom is from the dark ages sent here by accident.
As far as I've read all religions believe in the same basic things, so of course religions all had the same problems as other religious orders.
Anyone found to be breaking the law should be prosecuted, the monks have to remember they aren't above us, if anything they have to set the best example they can for the rest of us. Oh and should accept harsher punishment for abusing such a position.
As far as I've read all religions believe in the same basic things, so of course religions all had the same problems as other religious orders.
Anyone found to be breaking the law should be prosecuted, the monks have to remember they aren't above us, if anything they have to set the best example they can for the rest of us. Oh and should accept harsher punishment for abusing such a position.
Comment 89
Seriously date : 22/02/2009 time : 04:35
date : 22/02/2009 time : 04:35
Honestly, I always thought the whole transcendence thing was about getting away from human pleasures and desires to discover the meaning of existence or some greater knowledge. That's how Buddhism was explained to me, and so in that respect celibacy makes sense to me, and if these monks are letting their earthly desires get out of control then there's no excuse for letting them remain monks. Everybody here, at least for the first twenty or so comments, doesn't seem to the point. They're Buddhist monks. That's their belief. Personally, I don't really agree with any kind of religion, but that's what they wanted to do. If they want to advertise themselves as monks, then they best get the rhythm of it. Those are the rules. I pity and admire Buddhists for putting up with the hippies they seem to attract, at least in our western circles. If they can stick out their schtick with that kind of ignorance running around all the time then, you know, transcend away.
Comment 90
blabbityblah date : 22/02/2009 time : 07:08
date : 22/02/2009 time : 07:08
I can't believe you people are actually arguing about this crap. I guess I can't say much, though, since I've been reading it.
Comment 91
JITENDRA R BATRA date : 22/02/2009 time : 08:15
date : 22/02/2009 time : 08:15
Just arrived back from Thailand and was surprised to see the changes there very few people have respect for anyone. A smile always does not mean anything it has to come with Good Deeds also.cannot blame anyone for such things because with modernisation comes some new bads also.Respect Traditinal Cultural Values and not Monetry Values.Parents really need to be good to be able to bring their children to confess to them.Lets not always bring religion into everything for misdeed of a few.Do not let the culprits scotfree even if they are Monks.
Comment 92
Nagasiri date : 22/02/2009 time : 08:58
date : 22/02/2009 time : 08:58
As A monk ( and gay ). I want to said that the Buddha teaching is exclusive and for everyone that understant it.Gay or not is not the issue , a lot of sex is normal practice in temple in every country in South East Asia, so in Nepal, India and Tibet ......and is normal and natural what do you thinks! monks are robots , be little more realist and sincere poeple of Thailand, only sex with children can be severely punish .
Thailand is not more Bhuddhist than Indonesia, only the poeple think they are, because they go to temple...for own merit, but most of them even don't know where the buddha born!!! . I don't remermber the name of the Thai monk that said in a conference bhuddhist in thailand is deat . Need only to look at them in the street, drinking, smoking, indulge in sexual activity anywhere , and for money !!!!!! how are you poeple to critic the monks that even they fail are far better thn all of you. If you don't want to give to monks better so than a lot will quit the monkhood and go back to work , this can low the amound of 400.000 monks to little and mayby the best will stay on the path ,but don't expect to mucht they will be still human and will still need there balance . sex is the essence of life and it's necessary for the physical and mental balance of humain beings , monk or not ...... and cannot be widraw under any circounstance from the life, as precept or law or what ever invented by men . If so the issue is only given deviation , I do not need to give any exemple do I !!.
I am in everything in accord with Adjan Greg comment 56 that have answer all the point in a Ddhama way and with great lucidity I can only joing him in his message .
Peace and happiness to all the living beings.
Thailand is not more Bhuddhist than Indonesia, only the poeple think they are, because they go to temple...for own merit, but most of them even don't know where the buddha born!!! . I don't remermber the name of the Thai monk that said in a conference bhuddhist in thailand is deat . Need only to look at them in the street, drinking, smoking, indulge in sexual activity anywhere , and for money !!!!!! how are you poeple to critic the monks that even they fail are far better thn all of you. If you don't want to give to monks better so than a lot will quit the monkhood and go back to work , this can low the amound of 400.000 monks to little and mayby the best will stay on the path ,but don't expect to mucht they will be still human and will still need there balance . sex is the essence of life and it's necessary for the physical and mental balance of humain beings , monk or not ...... and cannot be widraw under any circounstance from the life, as precept or law or what ever invented by men . If so the issue is only given deviation , I do not need to give any exemple do I !!.
I am in everything in accord with Adjan Greg comment 56 that have answer all the point in a Ddhama way and with great lucidity I can only joing him in his message .
Peace and happiness to all the living beings.
Comment 93
phil date : 22/02/2009 time : 18:35
date : 22/02/2009 time : 18:35
all the worlds religions are plagued with this problem, i would say that the Buddha recognised this, we all know the difference between right and wrong, personally i have come to believe his message is simply look to yourself, any organisation be it religious or political will be ruled by those with the will to rule and thereby seriously flawed.
i believe in the Buddha i believe in jesus but think they both must be sharing having a troubled sleep.
i believe in the Buddha i believe in jesus but think they both must be sharing having a troubled sleep.
Comment 95
BundyGil date : 23/02/2009 time : 10:44
date : 23/02/2009 time : 10:44
Celibacy is a problem for all religions that practice it as it goes against human nature. Shoots them in the foot all the time and has for centuries. Now, with the information revolution, it is all coming out in the public arena, whereas in earlier times it could be swept under the carpet.
Celibacy just has to be ditched as it's inhuman.
Celibacy just has to be ditched as it's inhuman.
Comment 96
Hanuman date : 23/02/2009 time : 18:01
date : 23/02/2009 time : 18:01
Comment 23 "Bubba" got it right when he wrote this:
When khun Sanitsuda writes something like: "the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look, and the public display of feminine gestures," I am surprised.
What exactly is a feminine gesture anyway? And isn't someone coming closer to the divine also not letting the "masculine" gestures drop away? Dividing men and women into masculine and feminine gestures sounds like something from the Middle Ages. I am convinced we share these gestures and characteristics and should feel free to cry as a man, or wear pants as a woman.
With due respect the article reminds me of some Jehovah's Witness style tirades against anything and everything that they find despicable.
I intuit khun Sanitsuda may have her own issues and inner demons to work on... "
Also, the fact that monks, priests, and even religious leaders (remember Jimmy Swaggart?) are so often caught engaging in sex, is evidence enough that celibacy is unsustainable for humans, don't you think? why not just drop that requirement?
When khun Sanitsuda writes something like: "the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look, and the public display of feminine gestures," I am surprised.
What exactly is a feminine gesture anyway? And isn't someone coming closer to the divine also not letting the "masculine" gestures drop away? Dividing men and women into masculine and feminine gestures sounds like something from the Middle Ages. I am convinced we share these gestures and characteristics and should feel free to cry as a man, or wear pants as a woman.
With due respect the article reminds me of some Jehovah's Witness style tirades against anything and everything that they find despicable.
I intuit khun Sanitsuda may have her own issues and inner demons to work on... "
Also, the fact that monks, priests, and even religious leaders (remember Jimmy Swaggart?) are so often caught engaging in sex, is evidence enough that celibacy is unsustainable for humans, don't you think? why not just drop that requirement?
Comment 97
Shebak date : 25/02/2009 time : 08:47
date : 25/02/2009 time : 08:47
Hello Everybody!! I studied all about religions but I found out that Buddhism is wonderful. So, I love Buddhism but I am not a Thai. The problem in this article is about sex. If some monks do something bad, it is really bad. But it does not mean that all monks are bad. There are many monks in Thailand who are contrubuting a lot for world-soceity, for example, one monk take care the patiens who are suffering from Aids diseases. Good and bad monks can be found nowadays. Even during the time of the Buddha. It does not mean it is something wrong with Buddhism. There is nothing wrong with Buddhism. Buddhism is the teachings of the Buddha and the Buddha's teaching will be universal truth.
Rules are not only for religious people but also for the people. If one compare between people and religious people. Then one can see many things wrong related with people. Today Aids is discouvered by so many bad people. Likewise many things.
My appeal to all of you to justify a good monk and should donate. We all of us should aviod bad monks as well as bad people over the world.
Rules are not only for religious people but also for the people. If one compare between people and religious people. Then one can see many things wrong related with people. Today Aids is discouvered by so many bad people. Likewise many things.
My appeal to all of you to justify a good monk and should donate. We all of us should aviod bad monks as well as bad people over the world.
"isan farang" and some others here are doing their best to slander the Buddha and Buddhism. I guess they see their chance. Celibacy is nothing "dysfunctional" and an absolute necessity for ordained men and women (not only Buddhist) everywhere.
The Buddhist sangha is meant to be a refuge and a role model for the laity. When things like these happen; sexual indulgences, greed etc, then lay people lose faith in the ordained part of the sangha. This is bad. Very bad.
Since I have lived and practiced in Buddhist temples in Thailand I am aware of the problem and the decay of mainstream Buddhism in Thailand. I am not surprised when I look at the kind of people that ordain and their motivation for ordaining. It's far too easy to ordain in Thailand, whether you are farang or Thai. People should be screened more carefully. But then, even that is no guard against the moral decay that can set in even in the most senior monks after many years.
What is important, and maybe the only solution, is that the lay community that provides the dana for these temples, carefully watch how these monks and nuns behave. Are they worthy? Do they keep the precepts laid down by the Buddha? Is the vinaya followed correctly by the sangha? If not...they should just stop giving dana to that temple...and spread the word to other lay Buddhists.
Just wearing robes doesn't guarantee that one is freed from greed, hatred and delusion. Liberation from craving after sensory desire does not come of its own - it takes hard practice and a spirit of renunciation. Monks and nuns are humans and not perfect, even if their striving should always be towards perfection.
Having said that, I will ordain myself into a Thai Buddhist tradition this year. Hopefully I will become a worthy monk that upholds the beautiful tradition of the vinaya.
With Metta :)
The Buddhist sangha is meant to be a refuge and a role model for the laity. When things like these happen; sexual indulgences, greed etc, then lay people lose faith in the ordained part of the sangha. This is bad. Very bad.
Since I have lived and practiced in Buddhist temples in Thailand I am aware of the problem and the decay of mainstream Buddhism in Thailand. I am not surprised when I look at the kind of people that ordain and their motivation for ordaining. It's far too easy to ordain in Thailand, whether you are farang or Thai. People should be screened more carefully. But then, even that is no guard against the moral decay that can set in even in the most senior monks after many years.
What is important, and maybe the only solution, is that the lay community that provides the dana for these temples, carefully watch how these monks and nuns behave. Are they worthy? Do they keep the precepts laid down by the Buddha? Is the vinaya followed correctly by the sangha? If not...they should just stop giving dana to that temple...and spread the word to other lay Buddhists.
Just wearing robes doesn't guarantee that one is freed from greed, hatred and delusion. Liberation from craving after sensory desire does not come of its own - it takes hard practice and a spirit of renunciation. Monks and nuns are humans and not perfect, even if their striving should always be towards perfection.
Having said that, I will ordain myself into a Thai Buddhist tradition this year. Hopefully I will become a worthy monk that upholds the beautiful tradition of the vinaya.
With Metta :)
Comment 100
marco date : 07/03/2009 time : 01:53
date : 07/03/2009 time : 01:53
Celibacy is an unnatural way of life. Get real! Few can do it with out making their brains become deranged.
Religious fanatics like to show that they are celibate and therefor superior to the common people. This gives them power.
Religious fanatics like to show that they are celibate and therefor superior to the common people. This gives them power.
Comment 101
http://www.bangkokphotoblog.com date : 13/03/2009 time : 10:15
date : 13/03/2009 time : 10:15
The precepts of Buddhism are very pure, nonetheless while our society of temptation would require always more search and following of the principles, it is also more difficult to follow the right path.
Human is a ever growing kid, he makes mistakes and every time we make the effort to understand our mistakes and analyse why and how, then we get stronger, especially in current times.
In the end, who are we to judge others? As long as someone does not hurt weaker people, they can drive their life as they wish, or as they can.
Buddhism was not originally designed to become a religion or organise a society but as a technic for everyone to find its own path.
Let's bet this monk will learn from its own mistakes
Human is a ever growing kid, he makes mistakes and every time we make the effort to understand our mistakes and analyse why and how, then we get stronger, especially in current times.
In the end, who are we to judge others? As long as someone does not hurt weaker people, they can drive their life as they wish, or as they can.
Buddhism was not originally designed to become a religion or organise a society but as a technic for everyone to find its own path.
Let's bet this monk will learn from its own mistakes
Comment 102
Banlas date : 14/03/2009 time : 06:37
date : 14/03/2009 time : 06:37
Castrate those monks who made a mess of my religion. If they are repeated sinners, cut their tongue.
It may sound cruel but my advice to them, is don't play play with religion.
It may sound cruel but my advice to them, is don't play play with religion.
Comment 103
luca tettoni date : 17/03/2009 time : 16:16
date : 17/03/2009 time : 16:16
look, this buddhist thing is not very clever to start with, why u bother??
Comment 104
AR date : 19/03/2009 time : 19:29
Thailand without Buddhism is not real Thailand, so it's better to improve something than to deny destroy everything.
Comment 105
Bad Dog date : 10/04/2009 time : 13:29
date : 10/04/2009 time : 13:29
Keep on keeping the bastards honest, Khun Sanitsuda, and keep on exposing gross hypocracy - and maybe one day we will finally have a prime minister who has the moral authority as well as the political power to begin cleaning out the Aegean stables here god old rotten-to-the-core-and-we-love-tourist-money Thailand.
Comment 106
tou date : 29/04/2009 time : 03:10
date : 29/04/2009 time : 03:10
I am one person who belive buddhist,it ' very wonderful religious,I think some monks do dad,it's not bad buddhist,I's bad monk,
Comment 107
J Ives date : 29/04/2009 time : 10:56
J. Fozdar is a little man with a very big ego. His ego is so greatly inflated that he cannot see the end of his nose.
John
John
Comment 108
shell fish man date : 31/05/2009 time : 15:42
date : 31/05/2009 time : 15:42
these are us, not separated, million billion false thinkings materialized after very long long time, started from being confused into the existence of being born, get old and die, and repeated itself sometimes in different bodies or different worlds depending on the complex law of karma. understand this and this ego self, start to look inside and save ourselves and then after liberated don't forget to save our other selves. Use the best tool of samadhi, that is our clear and pure heart/mind (bodhicitta). sarva mangalam
I have heard lot of about Monks. Honestly people who disobey their own rule and discipline , they should be punished hard. Especially these kind of Monks who made sin , should be punished heavily.
When I agreed to speak to the Gay Buddhist Fellowship, I hoped for a topic which offered listeners
support for their Buddhist practice.
support for their Buddhist practice.
Wow! Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially "Chom".
How can you even begin to contend that you are seeking the path with comments like that?
How can you even begin to contend that you are seeking the path with comments like that?
I have to question anyone who would join an organization which prohibits it's members from having sex, the very nature of our existance.
Comment 120
Health Information Resource date : 05/11/2009 time : 08:58
date : 05/11/2009 time : 08:58
I truly believe that monks should follow all the monastery rules properly and if they can't then they must not become monks. I will appeal to all the senior monks to take a strict attention against this kind of behavior.
Comment 121
amr date : 25/11/2009 time : 21:10
date : 25/11/2009 time : 21:10
All the religious are for the guidances, rules to be follows. As what we live today, almost all wanted for the new things, new life, new house, new car and everything new. Nobodies wanted for the old things in their live.
Buddha, Christian are an old religious, Buddhism for almost 3000 years, Christian 2000 years and those books and teach of the religious are corrupted by generations. What Guatama teach only written down a few hundreds year after his death and the same with Bible.
Why don't we refer to Quran which brought down by Muhammad PBUH the word from our Creator which not corrupted at all and furthermore Islam in the new religion which consist of all old religious ........
Buddha, Christian are an old religious, Buddhism for almost 3000 years, Christian 2000 years and those books and teach of the religious are corrupted by generations. What Guatama teach only written down a few hundreds year after his death and the same with Bible.
Why don't we refer to Quran which brought down by Muhammad PBUH the word from our Creator which not corrupted at all and furthermore Islam in the new religion which consist of all old religious ........
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Where to the world goes, if even sex promoted and assotiated to monastery ...
This is really dumb to even blog post on that. People are gonna be mad totally , soon .. 2012 really fin to be the end of a humans...
This is really dumb to even blog post on that. People are gonna be mad totally , soon .. 2012 really fin to be the end of a humans...
Anyone found to be breaking the law should be prosecuted, the monks have to remember they aren't above us, if anything they have to set the best example they can for the rest of us. Oh and should accept harsher punishment for abusing such a position.
That is strange that these scandals are mostly around catholics. Im not sure of the details of their sacrosanct obligations etc, so can't get the answer by myself..
It is really sad. How can people don't have control on themselves. It is really strange that the number of scandal are happening and no one taking proper step for stopping them.
Comment 130
monajess date : 26/01/2010 time : 04:09
Nobody is perfect not even the monks.If Buddhism fails them then by right, the law should not.
Comment 131
J C Wilcox date : 20/02/2010 time : 08:23
date : 20/02/2010 time : 08:23
Monks do not necessarily represent Buddhism. Buddhism should live in the mind of the individual. Buddhism is about achieving a state-of-mind that allows one to understand how things are in the world and how to live in peace with what one knows.
Monks are human beings and part of how things are. A man can become a monk for only a short period or for the whole of his life and he is supposed to forego any natural behaviour whilst in secluded surroundings that are not how things are.
Having said that there are truly Buddhist monks who practise the philosophy and teach it to others. It is not for just any one to suddenly decide to be a monk - to walk in off the street as it were. In my opinion this degrades monkhood. I have learned a great deal from true practising monks. They are men of the world with a realistic approach. Essentially men of very high intellect who can pass on the teachings of the Lord Buddha. For the monks who have helped me in the past I have the very greatest respect; they are great teachers of men.
Buddhism is in the real world where other drivers cut in front and hoot with impatience, where there is stress from telephones and screaming children. It is in this environment that one must try to find that elusive state-of-mind.
One of the most powerful driving forces is libido. That is natures way of assuring the survival of species. If sex were painful or a miserable event, nobody would have children so the human species would die out.
There is more paedophilia in religions where clergy are vowed to celibacy than in those where celibacy is not practised.
The Roman Catholic Church has spent many millions of dollars on compensating victims of paedophilia.
Celibacy is totally unnatural and therefore, I would argue, not part of Buddhism that is about nature; how things are. Buddhism is for practising in the real world.
I would humbly suggest that Buddhism needs meditation teachers not monks, most of whom have to be taught meditation. Few monks teach meditation that is at the very heart of Buddhism.
Temples are fine. They are peaceful places and are perfectly suited to learning meditation, learning how to live in this world in a reasonable and peaceful manner. But one does not have to be Buddhist to be a good, reasonable and fair citizen and paedophiles are not. Celibacy causes mental disturbance and perversion because it is fundamentally unnatural.
Monks are human beings and part of how things are. A man can become a monk for only a short period or for the whole of his life and he is supposed to forego any natural behaviour whilst in secluded surroundings that are not how things are.
Having said that there are truly Buddhist monks who practise the philosophy and teach it to others. It is not for just any one to suddenly decide to be a monk - to walk in off the street as it were. In my opinion this degrades monkhood. I have learned a great deal from true practising monks. They are men of the world with a realistic approach. Essentially men of very high intellect who can pass on the teachings of the Lord Buddha. For the monks who have helped me in the past I have the very greatest respect; they are great teachers of men.
Buddhism is in the real world where other drivers cut in front and hoot with impatience, where there is stress from telephones and screaming children. It is in this environment that one must try to find that elusive state-of-mind.
One of the most powerful driving forces is libido. That is natures way of assuring the survival of species. If sex were painful or a miserable event, nobody would have children so the human species would die out.
There is more paedophilia in religions where clergy are vowed to celibacy than in those where celibacy is not practised.
The Roman Catholic Church has spent many millions of dollars on compensating victims of paedophilia.
Celibacy is totally unnatural and therefore, I would argue, not part of Buddhism that is about nature; how things are. Buddhism is for practising in the real world.
I would humbly suggest that Buddhism needs meditation teachers not monks, most of whom have to be taught meditation. Few monks teach meditation that is at the very heart of Buddhism.
Temples are fine. They are peaceful places and are perfectly suited to learning meditation, learning how to live in this world in a reasonable and peaceful manner. But one does not have to be Buddhist to be a good, reasonable and fair citizen and paedophiles are not. Celibacy causes mental disturbance and perversion because it is fundamentally unnatural.
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Comment 133
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I would humbly suggest that Buddhism needs meditation teachers not monks, most of whom have to be taught meditation. Few monks teach meditation that is at the very heart of Buddhism.
Comment 136
william date : 14/04/2010 time : 12:02
date : 14/04/2010 time : 12:02
The problem of sexuality within religion is something that..although flavour of the month' has been with us for generations. Attaching some form of blame on homosexuality is not getting to the point.Psychological profiling of many members of the clergy will uncover the real problem: Most of these 'gentlemen' are social & academic failures who have positioned themselves within the clergy to gain some form of respect from their peers. So often is the way, the oppressed, become the oppressors. This will not just mean sexual wrongs, it will maifest in violence and other control methods to establish and maintain domination.
Without proper regulation, the problems will persist. There should be an external body that oversees and regulates the clergy. There must be a 'whisleblower' mechanism whereby, people can annonamously report irregularities to the regulators without fear of reprisals.
Without proper regulation, the problems will persist. There should be an external body that oversees and regulates the clergy. There must be a 'whisleblower' mechanism whereby, people can annonamously report irregularities to the regulators without fear of reprisals.
Attaching some form of blame on homosexuality is not getting to the point.Psychological profiling of many members of the clergy will uncover the real problem: Most of these 'gentlemen' are social & academic failures who have positioned themselves within the clergy to gain some form of respect from their peers. So often is the way, the oppressed, become the oppressors. This will not just mean sexual wrongs, it will maifest in violence and other control methods to establish and maintain domination.
You know this is an old article, but look what is happened in Italy a few weeks back. The same story - abbats and boys in Vatican. It seems that it's forever and our society can't influence this so called subculture.
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Comment 141
malepills® date : 08/11/2010 time : 08:33
date : 08/11/2010 time : 08:33
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Comment 142
Ian Wensor® date : 09/01/2011 time : 16:42
date : 09/01/2011 time : 16:42
Two things turn me off. First are obese monks who've obviously never gone without a meal in their lives while others have starved. The second are those who ponce around temples and shopping centres like prima donnas at dress rehearsals or more to the point, like moles at a baby's Christening.
Comment 143
Ian Wensor® date : 10/01/2011 time : 00:13
date : 10/01/2011 time : 00:13
Thai Culture dictates men shouldn't marry unless they've been monks and that certainly attracts novices however, an even greater incentive for them to to want others to keep them in style and thus avoid back breaking days working in paddy fields or lumpimg bags of cement.
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