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Monday, March 23, 2009
Thaksin goes for broke
Posted by Veera Prateepchaikul
Guess what Thaksin Shinawatra had in mind when he decided to go on air Sunday night, donning a red shirt and fingerpointing two privy councilors, two senior judges and an academic for plotting the overthrow of his regime three years ago.
In the video-linked address to his supporters in Chiang Mai, the futigive former prime minister openly named former prime minister and privy councilor Gen Surayud Chulanont, privy councilor Charnchai Likhitchitta, Constitution Court judge Charun Pakdeethanakul, Supreme Administrative Court president Akkrathorn Chularat and academic Pramote Nakornthap of plotting the bloodless coup in 2006 which overthrew his regime in 2006 and of plotting his assassination attempts. General Surayud in particular was named the chief conspirator. Surprisingly, the name of the so-called "a person who has baramee beyond the constitution" whom he previously accused of being the prime mover against him was left out.
In making his accusations against the five people, he referred to General Panlop Pinmanee, former deputy director of the Internal Security Operations Command, as the source of his information. General Panlop, reputed to be an expert in "wet" jobs, was reportedly embittered after the 2006 coup as he was not rewarded for the services he rendered. Which was why he switched side to turn to Mr Thaksin. The general admitted he met Mr Thaksin in China a few months however denied he knew anyting about the assassination plot nor was he involved in it. But he declined to disclose what he told the fugitive former prime minister during their meeting in China.
General Surayud has denied Mr Thaksin’s accusation saying that the latter might have received wrong information. But he said philosophically that a man would suffer from the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile, Mr Charun said he would need to study Mr Thaksin’s statements first before reacting against them.
Sunday’s exposure was the first of Mr Thaksin when he publicly named names of those who allegedly plotted his overthrow and the attempts on his life although he previously did talk about the plots without naming names. His accusations of the five alleged plotters came one day after the House endorsed by majority vote in favour of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his five cabinet ministers targeted for censure debate by the opposition Puea Thai party.
That Mr Thaksin decided to go on record to publicly expose the five plotters against him, I guess, because he might have thought that it was pointless to mince his words and also he felt the time had arrived to declare war on his perceived enemies. He might also have thought that there was no hope of all for him to fight in the parliament via his proxies among the Puea Thai MPs and street politics with tens of thousands of his loyalists would be a more effective option in order to achieve his goal – which is to stage a triumphant return to politics as a free man.
Through parliamentary politics? That is hopeless. The Puea Thai party, although the biggest party in the parliament, is totally unreliable. It lacks a strong leader who can hold the party together as one and it is fragmented. A group of MPs with close link with the Friends of Newin faction broke ranks by voting in favour of two ministers linked to Mr Newin and abstaining from voting against Mr Abhisit and his Democrat ministers. Yet the only punishment meted out by the Puea Thai party against these rebel MPs was a temporary ban against them from attending party meetings. Which was a big joke.
So street politics by the red shirts appears to be the only viable option and Mr Thaksin appears to be determined to go for broke with these street fighters. Armed with the vital information from just a single source, General Panlop, he decided to publicly name his alleged plotters apparently with full knowledge of the consequences against him. His only hope now rests with his red-shirted supporters. Which explains why he decided to don a red shirt beneath his coat when he went on the air Sunday night probably to send a message to his loyalists that he will from now take the charge of the red-shirted movement and no longer just one of them. He has threatened to “spill more beans” about his alleged plotters at the next mass rally of the red-shirted people on March 26 at Sanam Luang.
In other words, the forthcoming protest by the red-shirted people will not be led by the three most faithful cronies, namely Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan and Nathawut Saikua, but by the big boss himself who will phone-in through video link to address his supporters.
If Mr Thaksin decided to "spill more beans", then it is his own judgement. But he should be smart enough to know that the more he talks the less the chance of his safe return home. Undoubtedly, he still commands widespread respect and loyalty among his red-shirted people. But street politics by the red shirts is not likely to bring about the kind of changes he wants such as the resignation of the Abhisit governmenty or an amnesty so he can return triumphantly to reclaim his political clout.
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Comment 3
The Dark Side 
date : 23/03/2009 time : 11:45
date : 23/03/2009 time : 11:45
The Guy has totally lost it. It is plain to see why his wife left him. Now he can rest in the peace of some other country. "Thaksin" remember that you reap what you sow............
Comment 4
Aitch date : 23/03/2009 time : 11:49
Why doesn`t he keep his nose out of it?
After all he is only a criminal on the run.
After all he is only a criminal on the run.
Comment 6
Mark date : 23/03/2009 time : 13:32
date : 23/03/2009 time : 13:32
Taksin is like a mad dog, biting at anyone that he think was/is against him.
As he is boxed into a corner, where he iis going to lose everything that he stole from this country.
As he is boxed into a corner, where he iis going to lose everything that he stole from this country.
Comment 7
jolly date : 23/03/2009 time : 14:33
date : 23/03/2009 time : 14:33
He is just a selfish guy.... not more than that. For the red, they may call him a fighter... but he just fights for himself.
Comment 9
ray date : 23/03/2009 time : 20:14
date : 23/03/2009 time : 20:14
With regards the entry by veera,
The way that this problem is seen by many viewing outside Thailand is:
Once upon a time there was a man elected to the post of prime minister. The people that voted him in were citizens who usually were not listened to. This man then proceeded to invest in the infrastructure of the country and more importently invest in the citizens. He decided that if he supported farmers in certain regions, then they could grow crops to eat, rather than drugs to destroy people.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital.
Whilst the P.M. was away they plotted against him and disposed of his services. Now they had in the past promised to listen to the people, so they searched around and decided to charge the P.M. with offences, to make it look better they charged his wife too.
Now not all of the public were happy with this. However they continued their life with celebrations to their honored King. When they celebrated the well loved monarch they wore yellow shirts.
The elite saw this and decided that this yellow shirt was really to celebrate them and anyone who did not wear "their" colour was disloyal to the Royal family (and of course them).
To make matters worse, they decided if any political party opposed them, then they were disloyal and were declared illegal. Finally, to make matters even worse, they declared that the people who voted against them were ignorant and didn't know what they were voting for.
Your beautiful country, wether liked or not, relies a lot on tourism. It would be a sad day if the greed of a few should harm the majority.
It would also be nice if they could realise the mistakes other countries have made.
(it will also be interesting to see if this comment if censored or not)
The way that this problem is seen by many viewing outside Thailand is:
Once upon a time there was a man elected to the post of prime minister. The people that voted him in were citizens who usually were not listened to. This man then proceeded to invest in the infrastructure of the country and more importently invest in the citizens. He decided that if he supported farmers in certain regions, then they could grow crops to eat, rather than drugs to destroy people.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital.
Whilst the P.M. was away they plotted against him and disposed of his services. Now they had in the past promised to listen to the people, so they searched around and decided to charge the P.M. with offences, to make it look better they charged his wife too.
Now not all of the public were happy with this. However they continued their life with celebrations to their honored King. When they celebrated the well loved monarch they wore yellow shirts.
The elite saw this and decided that this yellow shirt was really to celebrate them and anyone who did not wear "their" colour was disloyal to the Royal family (and of course them).
To make matters worse, they decided if any political party opposed them, then they were disloyal and were declared illegal. Finally, to make matters even worse, they declared that the people who voted against them were ignorant and didn't know what they were voting for.
Your beautiful country, wether liked or not, relies a lot on tourism. It would be a sad day if the greed of a few should harm the majority.
It would also be nice if they could realise the mistakes other countries have made.
(it will also be interesting to see if this comment if censored or not)
Comment 10
A Rogers date : 24/03/2009 time : 00:07
date : 24/03/2009 time : 00:07
Where is this man's head at, he has been ousted yet this country lets him keep on with his rants and raves. Shit can him and get on with life. Lift his passport and let he be the criminal that he has chosen to be.
What a jerk. The people of Isan
must like to be lead like cattle, which
Thaksin gave away in one of his stupid
giveaway schemes, so that each person
would have something to do like
cut grass for this stupid beast, and
hang around their house since they
have no grazing land...
What a jerk. The people of Isan
must like to be lead like cattle, which
Thaksin gave away in one of his stupid
giveaway schemes, so that each person
would have something to do like
cut grass for this stupid beast, and
hang around their house since they
have no grazing land...
Comment 11
Will C date : 24/03/2009 time : 00:47
date : 24/03/2009 time : 00:47
Thaksin will never be able to set foot in Thailand ever. The more he spoke with the "Threes Stooges "and their supporters the more Thai people saw in Thaksin, a vengeful, uncontrollable liar, and ever an egotistic fool. This is too bad as there were people who still wanted to believe in Thaksin, now all that has evaporated. Thaksin, no doubt, a very smart man, at least how I perceived of him 8 years ago, has become a fool being used by the people he thought are his ardent supporters. He spent a fortune trying to buy the supports but his supporters lacked the hearts to finish the job. Thaksin should have used the money to do good for the country, Thailand, as he always claims to be his beloved country, building schools, really helping the poors and the destitudes, the needys, then he may regain faith from the Thai people. Now, he had lost all these chances. If he ever will return triumphantly he will not have peace for the rest of his life as other groups will give him the same treatments as he is giving to the country now. What a shame.
Comment 12
Ron date : 24/03/2009 time : 01:45
date : 24/03/2009 time : 01:45
,,,,and who cares anymore what Mr. T-Sin thinks or believes. All he is trying to do is build his ego, at the expense of gulible people. Isn't there a Thai law that allows convicted people to be allowed to go free after so many years of conviction? The real problem of Thailand is Mr. T-Sin and his selfishness. Let him stay abroad and live his poor miserable life, and quit his futile attempts at returning with a pardon.
Comment 13
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE? date : 24/03/2009 time : 02:47
date : 24/03/2009 time : 02:47
So Taxsin names names. Has he also revealed his evidence? If not, then how can he expect anybody to believe him exect of course his dimishing red shirt mob.
If he has no evidence then he's exposing himself to the possibility of numerous serious charges.
I suggest he is in fact engineering his own final demise.
What's also possible, as a retaliation to Taxsin's names calling, is that the PAD or others will counter by demanding fast action to wind up the numerous cases of corruption etc etc against Taxsin and his cronies which are very slowly winding their way throught the Thai courts.
Comment 14
SYD 999 date : 24/03/2009 time : 02:53
date : 24/03/2009 time : 02:53
Finally the thing we all already know has come out from the man himself, good on you Mr Thaksin. It's time for all these people to go back where they come from. The coup gone, they should go as well.
Comment 15
Thailand the Free date : 24/03/2009 time : 04:00
date : 24/03/2009 time : 04:00
Having read your articles about Thaksin & related matters for many months, I am now compelled to add my opinion.
The yellow shirts lost all the moral high ground they claimed for themselves the day they invaded and closed by force Thailand's international airport and international air hub, and so seized the government house.
The red shirts will equally lose any moral high ground if they do the same.
The yellow shirts' version of democracy whereby the government appoints itself (in part) is a form of dictatorship versus the people's voice being heard, counted and so represented.
The red shirts' and yellow shirts' claim to be democratic is equally flawed when they do nothing to fix the endemic corruption among the police and public servants who do not take care of the heart of Thailand and give only lip service to the meaning and goodness of the monarchy.
Thaksin's attempt to eliminate drugs in Thailand was good. His concern with alcohol, lack of opportunity and better education in the poor north and northeast was also good. Whilst mega rich and even if corrupt, his attempts to enhance the wellfare of the average Thai was more commendable than the elitist self perpetuating rich centralists continuing to seize and retain power against the people.
Thailand needs strong government and direction. Its inherent great wealth is grossly unequally distributed by design and not by default.
Its education standards appear to be aimed at keeping the poor poor for the benefit of the wealthy who rely on uninformed and cheap labour to fill their coffers ever higher.
If the decision was left to me I would pardon Thaksin, allow him home, allow him to form another party, encourage him to stand for election again and let the people vote - and this time accept the outcome.
It is time Thailand evolved into this democratic world and was cheered and recognised for its emergence, not laughed at because of the power brokers wanting to seize power against the will of the people and expectations of the world.
I am not a Thai. I love Thailand. I have a retirement condo in Thailand. I respect the King. I love the Thai people. I wish them well in peace and harmony. Thank you.
24MAR09
Comment 16
Thailand the Free date : 24/03/2009 time : 04:03
date : 24/03/2009 time : 04:03
Having read your articles about Thaksin & related matters for many months, I am now impelled to add my opinion.
The yellow shirts lost all the moral high ground they claimed for themselves the day they invaded & closed by force Thailand's international airport and international air hub, and so seized government from an elected body by reality & economic force.
The red shirts will equally lose any moral high ground if they do the same.
The yellow shirts version of democracy whereby the government appoints itself (in part) is a form of dictatorship versus the people's voice being heard, counted and so represented.
The red shirts' and yellow shirts' claim to be democratic is equally flawed when they do nothing to fix the endemic corruption of the police & public service, who do not take care of the heart of thailand and give only lip service to the meaning and goodness of the monarchy.
Thaksin's attempt to eliminate drugs in Thailand was good. His concern with alcohol, lack of opportunity and better education in the poor north and north east was also good. Whilst mega rich and even if corrupt his attempts to enhance the wellfare of the average Thai was more commendable than the elitist self perpetuating rich centralists continuing to seize and retain power against the people.
Thailand needs strong government and direction. Its inherent great wealth is grossly unequally distributed by dersign and not default.
Its education standards appear to be aimed at keeping the poor classes poor for the benefit of the wealthy classes who rely on uninformed and cheap labour to fill their coffers ever higher.
If the decision was left to me I would pardon Thaksin, allow him home, allow him to form another party, encourage him to stand for election again and let the people vote - and this time accept the outcome.
It is time Thailand evolved into this democratic world and was cheered and recognised for its emergence, not laughed at because of the power brokers wanting to seize power against the will of the people and expectations of the world.
I am not a Thai. I love Thailand. I have a retirement condo in Thailand. I Respect the King. I love the Thai people. I wish them well in peace and harmony. Thank you.
24MAR09
The yellow shirts lost all the moral high ground they claimed for themselves the day they invaded & closed by force Thailand's international airport and international air hub, and so seized government from an elected body by reality & economic force.
The red shirts will equally lose any moral high ground if they do the same.
The yellow shirts version of democracy whereby the government appoints itself (in part) is a form of dictatorship versus the people's voice being heard, counted and so represented.
The red shirts' and yellow shirts' claim to be democratic is equally flawed when they do nothing to fix the endemic corruption of the police & public service, who do not take care of the heart of thailand and give only lip service to the meaning and goodness of the monarchy.
Thaksin's attempt to eliminate drugs in Thailand was good. His concern with alcohol, lack of opportunity and better education in the poor north and north east was also good. Whilst mega rich and even if corrupt his attempts to enhance the wellfare of the average Thai was more commendable than the elitist self perpetuating rich centralists continuing to seize and retain power against the people.
Thailand needs strong government and direction. Its inherent great wealth is grossly unequally distributed by dersign and not default.
Its education standards appear to be aimed at keeping the poor classes poor for the benefit of the wealthy classes who rely on uninformed and cheap labour to fill their coffers ever higher.
If the decision was left to me I would pardon Thaksin, allow him home, allow him to form another party, encourage him to stand for election again and let the people vote - and this time accept the outcome.
It is time Thailand evolved into this democratic world and was cheered and recognised for its emergence, not laughed at because of the power brokers wanting to seize power against the will of the people and expectations of the world.
I am not a Thai. I love Thailand. I have a retirement condo in Thailand. I Respect the King. I love the Thai people. I wish them well in peace and harmony. Thank you.
24MAR09
Comment 17
singtor date : 24/03/2009 time : 06:21
I hope P.M. Thaksin would expose all the truth about the coup's supporters,and its motives.
For the benefits of Thai people, the coup leaders and its supporters must be punished.
I hope this will prevent another coup to occur again and again.
Comment 18
Jamie Nangrong date : 24/03/2009 time : 06:46
date : 24/03/2009 time : 06:46
When all is said and done, he was democratically elected by the people of Thailand and ousted by a Military coup. That says more about Thailand than anything else. Like him or not what was done was unnaceptable and inexcusable. What has replaced him is certainly no better!
Comment 19
North date : 24/03/2009 time : 07:06
date : 24/03/2009 time : 07:06
Post number seven reads like a fairy tale. Which it is. How can you write something so incredibly naiive? Thaksin MURDERED 3000 people - why have you not mentioned that? He cheated the country out of billions - why have you not mentioned that? The charges against him may seem insignificant, but he knowingly broke the law, and any other citizens would also be charged, why should he be exempted - why did you not mention that? He killed freedom of press - why did you not mention that? Come on, surely you can tell the difference between a fairy tale and real life?
Comment 20
Tonychonburi date : 24/03/2009 time : 08:37
date : 24/03/2009 time : 08:37
To all foreigners, you guys always want us to listen to you by giving your comments which you think the best, since it is viewed from outside Thailand. I want to ask you one thing. How can you know better than Thais? Do you think that Thais are that stupid? You always act like you are better than us. I think you'd better concentrate on your own country. We are Thai. We love the king. Do you love the king like we do? Do you almost cry when you see the king in person? Are you willing to kiss the king's shoe when he walks pass by you?
An anaemic title !!
Whatever has been spoken by the Ex Prime Minister, has to surely be reacted to. And of course, having made a statement, he surely has to be held responsible. Freedom of speech is always to be respected and cherished in a democratic system, so the Ex Prime Minister has a freedom of speech, within the set norms and principles. Why do you have to say, that the more the Ex Prime Minister speaks, the difficult it is for him to return !! To make this statement is absurd and insensible, and leaves scope for interpretations. If it is on record, that the Ex Prime Minister has been sentenced by the Thai legal system, then, irrespective of what he speaks, he is yet on the ‘wanted list’, by the legal system. Or even use the word ‘amnesty’ ? But if the Ex Prime Minister yet makes a statement, then it needs to be pondered, for there is no smoke without fire. The media is surely answerable to the posterity, for its presentation and analysis of the news. For a democracy to grow, flourish and transcend, overcoming the short-comings of contemporary times, requires a system to check and investigate, the fall and failures in a democratic system.
Whatever has been spoken by the Ex Prime Minister, has to surely be reacted to. And of course, having made a statement, he surely has to be held responsible. Freedom of speech is always to be respected and cherished in a democratic system, so the Ex Prime Minister has a freedom of speech, within the set norms and principles. Why do you have to say, that the more the Ex Prime Minister speaks, the difficult it is for him to return !! To make this statement is absurd and insensible, and leaves scope for interpretations. If it is on record, that the Ex Prime Minister has been sentenced by the Thai legal system, then, irrespective of what he speaks, he is yet on the ‘wanted list’, by the legal system. Or even use the word ‘amnesty’ ? But if the Ex Prime Minister yet makes a statement, then it needs to be pondered, for there is no smoke without fire. The media is surely answerable to the posterity, for its presentation and analysis of the news. For a democracy to grow, flourish and transcend, overcoming the short-comings of contemporary times, requires a system to check and investigate, the fall and failures in a democratic system.
Comment 22
karnka date : 24/03/2009 time : 09:56
date : 24/03/2009 time : 09:56
I love Thaksin. He is doing in the right thing.
DSK.
DSK.
Comment 23
boonchuay date : 24/03/2009 time : 13:33
date : 24/03/2009 time : 13:33
Thaksin had never done any good things for this country. When he was in power, all he did was gaining even more power and abuse his power for more of his wealth(widespread of corruption both directly and indirectly). The debts of the poor increased to triple of they had before Thaksin was in power.(opposite to his promise that the poor 'll be richer), His gov't paid no attention to education policy as a result the quality of education become much worse than before. Also he acted like a dictator, not allowing freedom of expressing opinions, by using his financial power, legal action, and as commander in chief, fired many governement officials and even newspaper editor, and discredited scholars who disagreed with him. He has lied so many times that people know it. Right now he has tried his best to destroy this country thru his re-shirt people under his financial support.
So he is the worst guy in the history of Thailand.
Comment 24
White Coat date : 24/03/2009 time : 14:21
date : 24/03/2009 time : 14:21
My professional diagnosis is that this man is suffering Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He requires urgent medical attention.
Comment 25
observer date : 24/03/2009 time : 16:23
Tax-sin, go home and pay your tax, face your charges, that's it...
Comment 26
william date : 24/03/2009 time : 17:22
date : 24/03/2009 time : 17:22
Thaksin is such a silly man. Give it up ol' squareface - you're really making a fool out of yourself now.
Comment 27
Tan date : 25/03/2009 time : 00:05
date : 25/03/2009 time : 00:05
DID ANYONE MENTION THAT WHEN THE KING CELEBRATED HIS 60TH ANNIVERSERY RULE AS A KING, THAKSIN WENT IN FRONT TO WELCOME THE GUESTS INSTEAD OF THE KING?????IT SHOWED THAT HE TAUGHT HE WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE KING AT THAT TIME...........
Comment 28
Boone Bureenok date : 25/03/2009 time : 00:30
date : 25/03/2009 time : 00:30
What goes around will come around!
You reap what you sow!
You reap what you sow!
Comment 29
JUDYD date : 25/03/2009 time : 02:09
date : 25/03/2009 time : 02:09
All of your readers comments seem to speak to one point of view. I would like to hear more from the people of Chiang Mai who have alternative opiniuons of Mr.T.
Comment 30
Bill koursey date : 25/03/2009 time : 02:39
Replay for Comment No. 11 :
The yellow Demonstrators did fight against
a Crime- Government and against corruption. all legal by the Thai-constitusion
Law. Now exists a silver Government.To
protest against(Red group),is just doing
revanch.only revanch. this is illegal and hopeful the (red group) get justice.
Comment 31
Neutral date : 25/03/2009 time : 03:02
date : 25/03/2009 time : 03:02
Seem all sides have flawed. Worse are the people's perceptions and allegiance are all so divided. I agree with C11. Wipe the slate clean and have a proper election and let the people decide. By now most citizens have seen through the deeds and misdeeds of all the participants - Taksin,Yellow, Red, Dem, PTP, elites, judiciary, army etc etc - for the last 4 years and will have a balance opinion who is right or wrong and who they want for premiership.
Comment 32
atchara date : 25/03/2009 time : 04:33
date : 25/03/2009 time : 04:33
Whatever, I really miss my beloved Prime Minister.
That's the only word I could say.
That's the only word I could say.
Comment 33
passive reality date : 25/03/2009 time : 08:11
date : 25/03/2009 time : 08:11Thailand has a wonderful, Nobel peace prize awarded, caring, just, and loved king. Let him rule the country. Thaksin is only in it for himself, he wants to come home but doesn't want to go to jail. He is a murderer, a thief, a corrupt politician. How can any party stand by someone who murdered their own. good riddance Toxin, we don't need you anymore.
Comment 34
MegaMik date : 25/03/2009 time : 11:39
date : 25/03/2009 time : 11:39
Dear Tonychonburi, I agree with you that some farangs can be clumsy with their comments but to my knowledge, no one has critized the Kingdom. Most of us are happy you have a King who is beloved and respected throughout the kingdom of Thailand.
We have to be allowed to give our opinion on matters. But the Thai ruling and laws affect us and our hard earned money which we might have invested in Thailand.
If Thailand wants our money, then it has to accept us in every way. Some of us (expats and investors) are treated very bad just because we aren't from Thailand. I believe the King loves all of Thailand's inhabitants. When I am in Thailand, he is my King too.
Because we in fact have democracy in our countries we do have some input for you to make Thailand a better place for everyone. I am grateful I can go to Thailand and have a life in the sun, but I will choose another country who treat me better if things are getting worse. I am sorry to say, we are only humans who live on this earth, not Thai and farrang.
I don't understand how many of the commentators now write so many negative comments about Mr. Thaksin when they were so positive and backed him up before the coup?
Comment 35
Will date : 25/03/2009 time : 13:28
date : 25/03/2009 time : 13:28
As a frequent traveller to Thailand, I am dismayed at the state of affairs in the country now. It seems to me that the country is on a downward spiral into self destruction, primarily because of ignorance and greed. In my humble opinion, the only way for Thailand to extricate itself from this morass is through education, honest leadership, and the end to systemic corruption that is rife at every level of government and society. Personally, my travelling days to Thailand are over. It's just not a pleasant place to visit anymore.
Comment 36
Kusol date : 25/03/2009 time : 14:24
date : 25/03/2009 time : 14:24
In response to Comment 24:
Hopefully you will continue to be able to miss him for a long, long time!
Hopefully you will continue to be able to miss him for a long, long time!
Comment 37
Soontong Swanwit date : 25/03/2009 time : 16:17
date : 25/03/2009 time : 16:17
Thaksin is fighting for his life. If PM Abhisit make it beyond May 2009, Thaksin's chance of coming back is minimal. If PM Abhisit's government makes it through 2009, Thaksin is history.
Thasin keep making one mistake after another, first he depended on MPs who only wanted his money. Then, now he is depending on the red shirt, which also care only about getting 500 Baht.
Now what I don't understand is why PAD want to form a political party. I went to the political concert in Los Angelese and was shocked to find out that I was the only one disageeing with the idea ( I believe more than 5000 people attended the concert).
Thasin keep making one mistake after another, first he depended on MPs who only wanted his money. Then, now he is depending on the red shirt, which also care only about getting 500 Baht.
Now what I don't understand is why PAD want to form a political party. I went to the political concert in Los Angelese and was shocked to find out that I was the only one disageeing with the idea ( I believe more than 5000 people attended the concert).
Comment 38
Andrew date : 25/03/2009 time : 19:18
date : 25/03/2009 time : 19:18
Constructive criticism - Veera , I understand that English is not your first language, but it would seem that your "Grammar proof reader" took the day off. I found myself having to reread some of your sentences in order to understand what you were trying to say.
Comment 39
punyachon date : 25/03/2009 time : 22:01
date : 25/03/2009 time : 22:01
Just to think it was wrong from the very beginning to let Sept 19,2549 happen! Why? Because at that very moment,Thai people were misled by the outlaw demonstration games of PAD to set up hatred and serious accusations to PM THAKSIN without the solid proof first! They'd finally invited the Coup d'etat to take over the political power from the Democratic Government of HIS MAJESTY to their PROXIES!! They judged him only by their own prejudice and rumours.Since then the world of DEMOCRACY have learned about our childish reactions and just brought the downfall to our country!!!
This time when people talk about Coup d'etat or Revolution again,I feel that it's not as bad as its consequence! Why? The 1st question is… Are they ready to set up a new temporary government again?,and this time it must be more capable than "Kingkae's" to run the country! …2ndly since the world situation now is considered even worse than before from the incident of US Subprime Bubble and develop to "Burger Crisis" and now to the worst "Global Financial Crisis"!! Could the "Interim govt." handle this situation and solve our political turmoil from its cause not from its end?? Will most Thai People want the Coup to be The Judge through their appointment of a new justice organization like KOR-TOR-SOR to check up the ex-premier Thaksin and to tear off the Constitution again in order to write their new rules for the so-called 30:70(election:appointment) revolution of the new politics???
This time when people talk about Coup d'etat or Revolution again,I feel that it's not as bad as its consequence! Why? The 1st question is… Are they ready to set up a new temporary government again?,and this time it must be more capable than "Kingkae's" to run the country! …2ndly since the world situation now is considered even worse than before from the incident of US Subprime Bubble and develop to "Burger Crisis" and now to the worst "Global Financial Crisis"!! Could the "Interim govt." handle this situation and solve our political turmoil from its cause not from its end?? Will most Thai People want the Coup to be The Judge through their appointment of a new justice organization like KOR-TOR-SOR to check up the ex-premier Thaksin and to tear off the Constitution again in order to write their new rules for the so-called 30:70(election:appointment) revolution of the new politics???
Comment 42
Tony date : 26/03/2009 time : 02:08
date : 26/03/2009 time : 02:08
The sides are flawed because the system is flawed. ‘Rule of Law’ is a selective process in Thailand as opposed to being a fundamental requirement applied to all. It’s nice to be on the right side of a corrupt system where one benefits, when you are on the wrong side of the system one soon realises that justice is a moot point.
Comment 43
Ray Hendrix date : 26/03/2009 time : 03:04
date : 26/03/2009 time : 03:04
All the justifications in the world cannot change the fact that a democratically elected prime minister was ousted by armed thugs. Good for Thaksin for exposing a few of them. Let him return and let the people vote again and let see what the people of Thailand really think without the spin of the arrogant elites posting here claiming to represent truth and justice from the Thai point of view. Why are you afraid of your fellow Thais? If I may be so bold to answer myself I believe it is because you have an inflated opinion of yourselves and think you should be in power regardless of what your fellow citizens think. Prove me wrong and let him return and let the people vote.
Comment 44
Ray Hendrix date : 26/03/2009 time : 03:05
date : 26/03/2009 time : 03:05
All the justifications in the world cannot change the fact that a democratically elected prime minister was ousted by armed thugs. Good for Thaksin for exposing a few of them. Let him return and let the people vote again and let see what the people of Thailand really think without the spin of the arrogant elites posting here claiming to represent truth and justice from the Thai point of view. Why are you afraid of your fellow Thais? If I may be so bold to answer myself I believe it is because you have an inflated opinion of yourselves and think you should be in power regardless of what your fellow citizens think. Prove me wrong and let him return and let the people vote.
Comment 45
JZ date : 26/03/2009 time : 04:18
date : 26/03/2009 time : 04:18
Thaksin is the head of the most poisonous snake threatening all of Thailand. With the economic crisis worsening by the day in Thailand, only a self-serving maniac would put himself about the welfare of the entire nation.
Comment 46
Wisarut date : 26/03/2009 time : 05:25
date : 26/03/2009 time : 05:25
For Mr. Punyachon as well as thoser mind like,
I would like to remind that
Those politicians, Student activists and highbrow left wing intellectuals keep blaming the Junta for the Coups since the coups of 8 Nov 1947 WITHOUT REALIZING or even RECOGNIZING that they have committed too many political shenanigans along with the political abuses when the democracy was in their hands [READ: when they were in power] ... Why you keep lamening the consequence after you have abused hte democracy at the first place?
I would like to remind that
Those politicians, Student activists and highbrow left wing intellectuals keep blaming the Junta for the Coups since the coups of 8 Nov 1947 WITHOUT REALIZING or even RECOGNIZING that they have committed too many political shenanigans along with the political abuses when the democracy was in their hands [READ: when they were in power] ... Why you keep lamening the consequence after you have abused hte democracy at the first place?
Comment 47
AstaHugo date : 26/03/2009 time : 06:43
date : 26/03/2009 time : 06:43
Ray's comments
If he believes all that nonsense then I suggest we send for the guys in white coats quickly
If he believes all that nonsense then I suggest we send for the guys in white coats quickly
Comment 48
jost date : 26/03/2009 time : 06:58
date : 26/03/2009 time : 06:58
I think the best thing is not to talk or write anymore about this guy, it's a waste of time and he is not worth it, don't give hime that attentention that he wants.
Comment 50
Raksa Narak date : 26/03/2009 time : 09:46
date : 26/03/2009 time : 09:46
What goes around, comes all around. It is better to reconcile. Both sides should better discuss with each other to find a real solution. Forget about the past.
Comment 51
Ken date : 26/03/2009 time : 13:41
date : 26/03/2009 time : 13:41
Rule of the law-I believe all of us still not very clear and at the end being make use by the politician/power crazy/corrupt official.More important is that for so many years is still unofficial rule by military whenever they are citizens want to overthrown elected govt.As this show if we want a elected govt. to rule our country then we must improve our education and ensure that enough smart,uncorrupt official,love country citizens to control all this army/corrupt official/power crazy won't come into force.Ask ourselves just because of thaksin and the PAD can't get together and make our country in a mess is really heart broken and sad.I sincerely ask our fellow citizens pls stand out stop all this and make our thailand is the best and hold our head high instead being look down by farang.
Comment 52
Cayenne date : 27/03/2009 time : 00:40
date : 27/03/2009 time : 00:40
I laugh everytime someone mentions that they think Thaksin is a champion of democracy and think everything will be back to normal when he returns. Let's look at his version of democracy shall we?
Justice- only when it benefits him and his cronies. The Shin Corp and Rajada land cases are examples of this. When he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar he whines about how corrupt the system is, blah blah and yet even two days ago his lawyers were still going to court over a defamation case.
Human Rights - over 3,000 extra-judicial killings in his war on drugs. 'Nuff said.
Freedom of Speech- his suppression of the media and free speech is well documented. Ironically he is now using this very same right to protest his innocence.
Justice- only when it benefits him and his cronies. The Shin Corp and Rajada land cases are examples of this. When he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar he whines about how corrupt the system is, blah blah and yet even two days ago his lawyers were still going to court over a defamation case.
Human Rights - over 3,000 extra-judicial killings in his war on drugs. 'Nuff said.
Freedom of Speech- his suppression of the media and free speech is well documented. Ironically he is now using this very same right to protest his innocence.
Comment 53
ST date : 27/03/2009 time : 02:20
date : 27/03/2009 time : 02:20
Sometimes I'm amazed by those foreigners who claimed they understand 'democracy' better than Thais. In thier view, they believe that a leader who can win the most votes deserves to rule the country regardless of any serious allegation of wrongdoings against him.
Well, let me remind you guys, Hitler also won the elections. Yet he has no right to murder millions of Jews. 'Democracy' doesn't mean only who wins the most votes and he got all the power in the world to do every thing he wants. He's not allowed to change laws, change constitution, change judiciary system in order to make himself, his relatives, his cronies become richer and richer. He can't be above the rule of laws!
Yeah, what is 'democracy' in you foreigners' view anyway? If a guy who knows how to win the election turns out to be a man who doesn't respect the rule of law, doesn't believe in morality, is an egotistic divisive leader, is out to destroy every reporters who're not on his side, are you still giving him the support? If so, then I believe your view on 'democracy' is such CRAP.
Thailand may be a backward country in your opinion. But true Thai patriots know what is best for our country. We don't want the leader who cheated taxes even before he took power. We don't want the leader who came in to change the financial law overnight so he could pay 0% tax, so he could make 70,000 MILLIONS in transaction tax free. We don't want the leader who're out to destroy the justice system. We don't want the leader who preach 'democracy' but did everything to destroy it.
If you just say winning the election means you have the right to do such bad things, then please take your kind of democracy home, period. We don't want it! In a true democratic country, everyone must respect the law. Noone should be above the law. But Thaksin thinks he's above the law and can change the system so he can rob this country more!
Comment 54
Real Red date : 27/03/2009 time : 02:55
If the leadership was intelligent they would take some cues from China on how to deal with a rogue and 'divisive' figure such as Mr Thaksin.
Comment 55
Wayne Richards date : 27/03/2009 time : 03:40
date : 27/03/2009 time : 03:40
Thaskin was outed by people he thought he could trust. He was betrayed by people in high office in Thailand who couldnt work the new corruption (if there was durruption during his time in power).The people of Isarn Love the PPP and Thaskin.
The PAD leaders liked the Old corruption and were left out when Thaskin took over. Now they are back and the old corruption is back so they are happy again.
The PAD leaders liked the Old corruption and were left out when Thaskin took over. Now they are back and the old corruption is back so they are happy again.
Comment 56
kanit date : 27/03/2009 time : 04:27
date : 27/03/2009 time : 04:27
Mr. T-Sin is like the Ex president of Taiwan, both of them are same, one in jail, one on the run.
Comment 57
stgermain® date : 27/03/2009 time : 05:58
date : 27/03/2009 time : 05:58
Why can't Thais grow up and live with a proper 2 party system!!!!
Comment 58
ricc date : 27/03/2009 time : 06:16
date : 27/03/2009 time : 06:16
first, sorry for my bad English....
Thai's democracy would good better than now, if the military still have power in their hand... they should follow what people decide, even what they choose are wrong, because this is democracy. they should not use coup to solve the problem.ask i know it like almost 20 time of coup this Thailand in this last century.
Hope Thai people will understand about this...and hopefully, military stop put their hand in political anymore..
Thai's democracy would good better than now, if the military still have power in their hand... they should follow what people decide, even what they choose are wrong, because this is democracy. they should not use coup to solve the problem.ask i know it like almost 20 time of coup this Thailand in this last century.
Hope Thai people will understand about this...and hopefully, military stop put their hand in political anymore..
Comment 59
Nicky date : 27/03/2009 time : 06:20
date : 27/03/2009 time : 06:20
The reason he mentioned the name of these people on sunday is because he wants his followers to hate these people . You know why?? Just in case the country goes back to martial law. Then the red dogs can start attacking these well respected people.
I hope it well be 40 degrees the comming few days.
I hope it well be 40 degrees the comming few days.
Comment 60
Johanna date : 27/03/2009 time : 07:02
date : 27/03/2009 time : 07:02
It's a shame that the Thai journalists allow Mr Taksin so much space. If he means so well he should come back to Thailand and face the consuquences or back off as he is now only making sure that no tourists or investors want to come to Thailand. As for myself I´m really trying hard to sell all we have in Thailand and leave to a country where I can own a house, condo or land and where I without any hassle can retire and spend all my money.
Comment 61
Neutral date : 27/03/2009 time : 09:23
date : 27/03/2009 time : 09:23
We don't like Taksin as much as we don't like the coup, PAD, UDD, court, army and the Demo from robbing the democratic system. Get back on the system and have another free election.
Comment 62
Ray Hendrix date : 27/03/2009 time : 10:21
date : 27/03/2009 time : 10:21
Post 35, if you think you are right in your opinions then vote the offending persons out of office or use other proper means of getting rid of politicians who you do not agree with. Overthrowing your governments with the military when you have disagreements with those in office provokes the comments from the rest of the word. You need to convince your fellow citizens of the justice of your cause not the military. Otherwise you are just a nation of armed thugs and not a democracy.
Thaksin was out of the country on the nation's business and he was cowardly removed by armed thugs supported by people who wanted power for themselves. Now anyone who wants power needs only to convince the military and they can take over. Is that the system you want?
Thaksin was out of the country on the nation's business and he was cowardly removed by armed thugs supported by people who wanted power for themselves. Now anyone who wants power needs only to convince the military and they can take over. Is that the system you want?
Comment 63
paulstevens date : 27/03/2009 time : 14:41
date : 27/03/2009 time : 14:41
Dear All,
All you dear ignorants, Why bangkok Post allows your ignorant remarks is because they are not objective.
You ignorance preavails using words as criminal, rogue, divisive etc, can't you remember it was a courts decision that made him that, the same courts that ousted Mr, Samak for hosting a cooking show.
Please get informed before you want to say something.
I would say your ignorent remarks causes quiet an ambarrasment to many expats here.
All you dear ignorants, Why bangkok Post allows your ignorant remarks is because they are not objective.
You ignorance preavails using words as criminal, rogue, divisive etc, can't you remember it was a courts decision that made him that, the same courts that ousted Mr, Samak for hosting a cooking show.
Please get informed before you want to say something.
I would say your ignorent remarks causes quiet an ambarrasment to many expats here.
Comment 65
davidw date : 27/03/2009 time : 19:38
date : 27/03/2009 time : 19:38
thaskin wants to come home so he can pick up his billions frozen in thailand. money he stole by stealth and unfair practices
Comment 66
Seagull date : 28/03/2009 time : 02:59
date : 28/03/2009 time : 02:59
I agree with comment 25 and 31. Let him come back again and challenge by the election. It is funny seeing a coup was used to deal in democratic society, yellow shirts treat unlawful means to defeat the elected government.
Comment 67
Steven date : 28/03/2009 time : 09:44
date : 28/03/2009 time : 09:44
Just after the coup in 2006, as a foreigner residing in a neighbouring country, I have already suspect Prem to be the culprit even if Thaksin did not exposed it today.
Without the influence of Prem and the Privy Council, General Sonthi would not be able to stage the coup. How then could you explain the military inaction when an emergency was declared by Samak and Somchai. How do you explain when PAD the yellow shirts rampage the airport, government house and public properties and they are now getting scott free. How do you explain on the dissolutions of TRT and PPP and now Pheu Thai when the Democrat who also has leaders who fraud on election were not dissolved.
IT IS ALL SO OBVIOUS !!!.
Without the influence of Prem and the Privy Council, General Sonthi would not be able to stage the coup. How then could you explain the military inaction when an emergency was declared by Samak and Somchai. How do you explain when PAD the yellow shirts rampage the airport, government house and public properties and they are now getting scott free. How do you explain on the dissolutions of TRT and PPP and now Pheu Thai when the Democrat who also has leaders who fraud on election were not dissolved.
IT IS ALL SO OBVIOUS !!!.
Comment 68
Lloyd date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:33
date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:33
He does not give two sh!ts about the country or the people, all he wants is to get what he thinks is his money that he stole thru his corporations off the people, i am just an outsider who has followed the story, your new goverment in power is trying hard and give them a chance to prove themselves, if the political situtation does not change soon you will only tear your beautiful country apart and will have resolved nothing
Comment 69
Ket master date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:53
date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:53
Thaksin accusation must come with fact otherwise this will lead the Red Shirt to hell. Gen Panlop has to list down the exact people, location, time and date of what was said that the coup was plot to overthrow Thaksin government. Once this is clear, the people can decide what stance to take as it will affect our future and children future. Without this, it will lead to chaos. It should not be for personal agenda anymore.
Comment 70
Key master date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:58
date : 28/03/2009 time : 23:58
Thaksin accusation must come with facts otherwise this will lead the Red Shirt and Thailand to hell. Gen Panlop has to list down the exact people, location, time and date of what was said that the coup was plot to overthrow Thaksin government. Once this is clear, the people can decide what stance to take as it will affect our future and children future. Without this, it will lead to chaos. It should not be for personal agenda anymore.
Comment 71
JMG Schmidt date : 29/03/2009 time : 02:25
I ask myself why the actual government allows a convicted criminal to talk to thousants of people as we could see yesterday. That should be banned.
Comment 72
loic date : 29/03/2009 time : 04:13
date : 29/03/2009 time : 04:13
I have a question (about last comment 35)(from a foreigner who has really some difficulties to understand thai politics)
if you think like that(you are not above the laws because you get most of votes);and I can easily agree with that.
so,in thailand no politicians are above the laws expect the army who has the right to oust such a politician.
am I right or not?
if you think like that(you are not above the laws because you get most of votes);and I can easily agree with that.
so,in thailand no politicians are above the laws expect the army who has the right to oust such a politician.
am I right or not?
Comment 73
Immature Democrat date : 29/03/2009 time : 05:45
date : 29/03/2009 time : 05:45
The Democrats are just attracting Red-Shirts to collect the 2000 baht check and then join the rallies quite nearby.
Thaksin can save his money for this weekend's rally...which looks like the largest Red Shirt rally until today.
Thank you Democrats for paying the Red-Shirts to come join the protests.
Thaksin can save his money for this weekend's rally...which looks like the largest Red Shirt rally until today.
Thank you Democrats for paying the Red-Shirts to come join the protests.
Comment 74
banchangdon date : 29/03/2009 time : 06:51
date : 29/03/2009 time : 06:51
They need to bring him back to Thailand and put him in Jail as he is a convicted criminal.
As far as being divorced from his wife if you believe that you need help. It is all a big political game and the X pm and wife are working it from all sides.
Why is she not in jail serving time for her conviction??
As far as being divorced from his wife if you believe that you need help. It is all a big political game and the X pm and wife are working it from all sides.
Why is she not in jail serving time for her conviction??
Comment 75
banchangdon date : 29/03/2009 time : 06:52
date : 29/03/2009 time : 06:52
They need to bring him back to Thailand and put him in Jail as he is a convicted criminal.
As far as being divorced from his wife if you believe that you need help. It is all a big political game and the X pm and wife are working it from all sides.
Why is she not in jail serving time for her conviction??
As far as being divorced from his wife if you believe that you need help. It is all a big political game and the X pm and wife are working it from all sides.
Why is she not in jail serving time for her conviction??
Comment 76
Nuetral date : 29/03/2009 time : 07:27
date : 29/03/2009 time : 07:27
Thug-sin now is serving his Kamma (bad doing), i think the more he reacts the more he will suffer..
Comment 77
wachara puttawongse date : 29/03/2009 time : 14:41
date : 29/03/2009 time : 14:41
Comment 33
Raksa Narak date : 26/03/2009 time : 09:46
What goes around, comes all around. It is better to reconcile. Both sides should better discuss with each other to find a real solution. Forget about the past.
Would you discuss with someone who had raped you?
Raksa Narak date : 26/03/2009 time : 09:46
What goes around, comes all around. It is better to reconcile. Both sides should better discuss with each other to find a real solution. Forget about the past.
Would you discuss with someone who had raped you?
Comment 79
jost date : 29/03/2009 time : 16:36
date : 29/03/2009 time : 16:36
call on you to rise up throughout the country to join the red-shirts and bring back democracy for our children," Thaksin said.
Now Thanksin is using sentimentality by mentioning " democracy for our children" in his speech.
It is only a thing of his own power and his anger.
Let this man stop and find out really why he is doing all this . He can bring Thailand in a civil war and then he is responsible for the consequences.
Abhisit is a reasonable and intelligent person and a democrat. Let him do his job and bring peace in Thailand and a better economic future for Thai people and for foreigners like me who like Thailand so much.
Now Thanksin is using sentimentality by mentioning " democracy for our children" in his speech.
It is only a thing of his own power and his anger.
Let this man stop and find out really why he is doing all this . He can bring Thailand in a civil war and then he is responsible for the consequences.
Abhisit is a reasonable and intelligent person and a democrat. Let him do his job and bring peace in Thailand and a better economic future for Thai people and for foreigners like me who like Thailand so much.
I'm not sure if this ever gets published at all. I suspect one Post columnist wants to steal my idea, or the Post does not want to publish anything sane. My post never gets though. A Time correspondent actually gave me his views and requested me to write this blog in my own words. The Wikipedia shows Thaksin had engaged into all kinds of business ventures and failed miserably. That is, until the 1997 devaluation of the Baht. That was his big break - from the Democrats. Then he formed a populist party that was "purportedly aimed" to lift the farmers and countryside Thais from their sad condition. Good? On the scheming propaganda side, maybe. But what about the billions and billions of dollars he amassed from 2002 to 2006? The billions and billions his sisters, his wife and his wife's relatives had amassed? The disappearance of 3,000 "drug suspects"? Marcos did not get that much in 26 years. It took Maddoff 50 years for his fonzi scam. Thaksin got all in 4 years as PM. The red shirts should first make a definition of what they call democracy. The red shirts always say that Thaksin was democratically elected. Do they not know the meaning of "election fraud"? If you are guilty of election fraud it means you cheated and you were never democratically elected at all as the 111 other members of the Parliament. Thaksin should accept that he was caught with his pants down and stop "crying" about the coup. "Give me back my lollipop." He should do and say something constructive to be relevant. He should be man enough to return to Thailand and face the charges. Instead, he does everything by phone in. He even wants to make a joke of the courts by offering a phone in for his appeal - the sign a truly desperate man. Historically, the Thais have been a resilient people. They have faced adversities and got through it. Except now when Thaksin is injecting a foreign element. He has hired American PR men who are out to divide and destroy the Thai psyche. How pathetic are the red shirts for worshipping a fallen angel. They calim the yellow shirts' takeover of the airport as the root of all Thailand's economic problems, as if there were no world recession at all. The government should confiscate all the Thaksin properties, and of of his wife's, families' and relatives' and Thailand will be the richest in the world, whatever the world crisis brings to the rest of the world.
Comment 81
geoff date : 30/03/2009 time : 00:48
date : 30/03/2009 time : 00:48
if the thais can not see what he is doing,destroying thailand.then the present government should stand firm against thakism
Comment 82
khunsuar date : 30/03/2009 time : 03:03
date : 30/03/2009 time : 03:03
Thaksin is a moral coward. IF he were better he would face his accusers without fear instead of hiding out like that other moral coward Bin Laden
Comment 84
sito cabrell date : 30/03/2009 time : 06:44
date : 30/03/2009 time : 06:44am sito ,by what i saw and had during my stay in thailand ex priminster was selfcented over thailand wealth.
i think the best is for him to face trial according to thai law.if he really believe his not gulty.
Comment 85
Kyaw date : 30/03/2009 time : 08:35
date : 30/03/2009 time : 08:35
I think you all are wasting your time with your comments on one stupid greedy fellow. He is trying to use the thai people for street politics to satisfy his ego with the money that he sucked from Thailand.
Dont be his victim.
He would get for what he had done.
I think it will happen soon.
Dont be his victim.
He would get for what he had done.
I think it will happen soon.
Comment 86
Stuart date : 30/03/2009 time : 09:51
The red shirts want democracy, this is not about anything else, otherwise why will the government not call an election? for one reason, they KNOW they will be deomcratically removed. With regards to Taksin, - all politicians are corrupt just about, I think people are jealous of Taksin, - anyway at least he got the airport done and a few other things, I have not scene anyone else move the country in any direction other then backwards; I say Abhisit should call snap elections, then we will see who the Thai people will elect, or perhaps the airport will need to be closed like the yellow shirts did? More likely Bangkok will be paralysed with taxi drivers and so on blocking all major roads? Anybody fancy a commute to the offic when that goes down? Sorry folks, but democracy needs to be given a chance here. BTW, if we actually listen to D-station TV, perhaps, perhaps we casn learn something... or perhaps the government will try to silence the red shirts, - what is it they have to hide I wonder. With the current showdown and the Yellow shirts starting as well... why is this not put to an election? Incredible. Tourism, well what do you think is going to happen here? Meltdown,absolute shutdown. Very worring to say the least. Whichever side you like - DEMOCRACY = elections; not 30,000 red shirts against 30,000 yellow shirts; how about the 65,000,000 other voices/oppinions? (voting age of course)
Comment 87
Kashi Vishwanathan date : 30/03/2009 time : 11:22
Most westerners have a flawed concept of democracy. That if you are elected, you have the sanction to do anything !
Those who do not play by the rules have no grounds to complain that the coup was unlawful. There was no way to remove the monster named Thaksin ( Thug sin, Toxin, Tax sin or whatever you may wish to call him)except by a coup. I am not a Thai but believe the coup was the best thing that happened to Thailand. And for the good of Thailand, I wish Thaksin would disappear or fade away from the scene.
Comment 88
Carl date : 30/03/2009 time : 13:29
date : 30/03/2009 time : 13:29
To the people of Thailand, Red Shirts, Yellow Shirts, et al., I say focus on your economy, education, energy (green), and the rule of law. One should not bow to no man!
As Rogi B. as quiped, "If you don't know where you are going, you won't get there!"
Finally, don't drive a motor bike with your kid(s)sandwiched between mom and pop.
As Rogi B. as quiped, "If you don't know where you are going, you won't get there!"
Finally, don't drive a motor bike with your kid(s)sandwiched between mom and pop.
Comment 89
Someone who live through it date : 30/03/2009 time : 16:13
date : 30/03/2009 time : 16:13
Well, nothing is completely black and white and admittedly, he's done some good things for this country. However, he's put Thailand backward in term of corruptions index beyond belief. I'd recently moved back from having lived in the US for 13 years and well, very sad to see what it has come down to for the Thais.
Totally agreed with commen 39. Thaksin is great with amassing his fortune by using insider knowledge. During Asian crisis, he was able to hedge against currency crash and benefited from that... unfortunately, he was one of the few. My parents on the other hand, almost lost their shirts even though the were operating an ethical business that helps people. Through out that time, my parents refuse to lay off anyone and of course we paid back every single BHTs we owe.. part of it goes to the bank that owe Mr. Thaksin for that faithful hedge. Ummm.. all I can say is what goes around comes around.
This country needs change away from Mr. Thaksin and his cronies. I really believe that once everyone open their eyes and ears to the truth, they will know that he's not good for this country.
I remember when Abhisit met the king to sworn in as PMs. Our king was smiling. Abhisit may not be perfect, no one is.. but he has good intention and he is not a criminal.
Totally agreed with commen 39. Thaksin is great with amassing his fortune by using insider knowledge. During Asian crisis, he was able to hedge against currency crash and benefited from that... unfortunately, he was one of the few. My parents on the other hand, almost lost their shirts even though the were operating an ethical business that helps people. Through out that time, my parents refuse to lay off anyone and of course we paid back every single BHTs we owe.. part of it goes to the bank that owe Mr. Thaksin for that faithful hedge. Ummm.. all I can say is what goes around comes around.
This country needs change away from Mr. Thaksin and his cronies. I really believe that once everyone open their eyes and ears to the truth, they will know that he's not good for this country.
I remember when Abhisit met the king to sworn in as PMs. Our king was smiling. Abhisit may not be perfect, no one is.. but he has good intention and he is not a criminal.
Comment 90
Neil date : 30/03/2009 time : 19:10
Red-shirt = Rent-a-crowd
Remember Toxin got 15,000 Manchester City supporters to turn up in the centre of Manchester with the promise of free beer and food.
They also 'loved' him - until the beer ran out - then they kicked him out of the country - LOL
Comment 91
prem date : 31/03/2009 time : 03:10
date : 31/03/2009 time : 03:10
Commentator # 7 needs to learn more about Thai politics and Tuksin. Pojjaman was not charged to make the government looked better nor was Tuksin. These 2 and their cronies have amassed their wealth you have not se en in any truely democratic countries. Of course you can find them in Pakistan, Phillipines, many countries in Africa, Cambodia, Burma, Russia of late. Now tell me that you are not from those countrie but the true Democratics.
Comment 92
Tom date : 31/03/2009 time : 06:19
date : 31/03/2009 time : 06:19
Khun Veera,
Just a bit of advice for you. May I suggest that You use spell check prior to going to print!
Keep up the good work.
Just a bit of advice for you. May I suggest that You use spell check prior to going to print!
Keep up the good work.
Comment 93
madcatt date : 31/03/2009 time : 07:47
date : 31/03/2009 time : 07:47
I find it really interesting that Thaksin is allowed to hold these mass phone-ins at all. If the government really wanted to stop him, couldn't they invoke some law regarding the spread of treasonous dissent and chop off the problem at it's root. Then, if he wanted to have his say, he'd have to come back and really deal with the current state of affairs (which are a direct result of his time in office) instead of this cowardly wizard of oz act he's been putting on. Despicable. Unless he can prove otherwise. . .
Comment 94
karlo date : 31/03/2009 time : 10:40
All the people who believe that Thaksin is gone. Let me tell that Thailand will always have a Thaksin as long as elites are triyng to keep the common Thais stupid. My son changed school from Thailand to a foreign country because I needed to go away for job reasons. The new school placed him 2 grades lower than he should be and his english level is was considered pre-school level although he has extra paid lessons. I just wonder why I dont need to pay tea money to the new school anymore. Can it be that even schools in Thailand are corrupted?
Comment 95
jaypt date : 31/03/2009 time : 11:58
date : 31/03/2009 time : 11:58
Thaksin is the most corrupted politician in
Thailand. His videos on March 30 is like
a mad man. His version of democracy is
that he can freely use his money to buy
votes as well as cheap MPs. Why doesn't
he talk about how he hides his company
shares with his maids. The judges ruled
in his favor. But this time the judges ruled
against him, so no-justice this time. But
he still sues his oppenents in the Thai court. If there is no justice, why Thaksin
is still using his lawyers to sue in the
Thai court. If he wins, it is justice. If
he loses then there is no justice.
What a selfish man who used to buy
his way into the prime minister office.
Thailand. His videos on March 30 is like
a mad man. His version of democracy is
that he can freely use his money to buy
votes as well as cheap MPs. Why doesn't
he talk about how he hides his company
shares with his maids. The judges ruled
in his favor. But this time the judges ruled
against him, so no-justice this time. But
he still sues his oppenents in the Thai court. If there is no justice, why Thaksin
is still using his lawyers to sue in the
Thai court. If he wins, it is justice. If
he loses then there is no justice.
What a selfish man who used to buy
his way into the prime minister office.
Comment 96
paul date : 31/03/2009 time : 15:17
date : 31/03/2009 time : 15:17
i hope this Bangkokpost isnt siding with the yellow shirts. Pardon taksin let him come back and be with his party fairly. Start new elections and stop protesting
Comment 97
paul date : 31/03/2009 time : 15:25
date : 31/03/2009 time : 15:25
dusit tony should rethink every political situation in the past...how did all politicians become rich? answer that question! they all get something for something not something for nothing...I think we should investigate all politicians past and present. taksin was rich before he entered politics I remember . Im on red shirts side until I get the real facts from The people high up above the law
thai L.A. citizen
thai L.A. citizen
Comment 99
Louie date : 31/03/2009 time : 16:02
To comment 38.
I am not in the habit of commenting on Thai issues, as I am foreigner and consider that as I am a guest in Thailand I do not have the right.
I simply wish to say that your comments, I assure you do not cover all foreigners.
Please be assured that many of us will take heart when we read that there are people in Thailand who have a solid grasp as to what is right and wrong and not simply won.
I am not in the habit of commenting on Thai issues, as I am foreigner and consider that as I am a guest in Thailand I do not have the right.
I simply wish to say that your comments, I assure you do not cover all foreigners.
Please be assured that many of us will take heart when we read that there are people in Thailand who have a solid grasp as to what is right and wrong and not simply won.
Comment 100
ST date : 31/03/2009 time : 17:31
date : 31/03/2009 time : 17:31
Now I have something to add about the coup. The redshirt sympathizers and some misinformed foreigners love to cry foul about the coup and they are using that to justify bringing back Thaksin's corrupted gang and his puppet governments. Well, as a Thammasat university alumni I’m proud to say I've fought against dictatorship my whole life. I've learned that democracy can't be achieved overnight. Many Thai students died for it. I truly understand why freedom doesn't come for free especially for a developing country like Thailand, where vast majority of the rural poor are still undereducated and easier to be misled.
I would say that all my life I hate coups. I hate the military juntas like some of those redshirts. However, I support the coup that ousted Thaksin! Let me make this clear, I would never ever support them if their intention was to rule the country by themselves, never in a million years!
I believe Gen Sondhi did the right thing. The purpose of having the military troops should be for 'protecting national security' first and foremost. When we found out that Thaksin was bringing in hundreds of his rural thugs to confront PAD protestors. They knew that Thaksin wanted chaos and violence to happen in this country. Well, ironically just like what he's doing now. Thaksin thinks of his people as tokens. He won't shed tears if his supporters die for him as long as he could benefit from it!
The redshirt supporters are so naive. Right now Thaksin wants violence and bloodshed to happen so he could create the condition that allows him to stay in power. As the PM then, if his vicious plan succeeded, he would enforce the martial law that allowed him to ban all PAD activities so he could rule this country in the same style of any military dictatorial junta.
So, if you were the military chief, and you happened to know all about Thaksin's plan of chaos and violence which could result in bloodbath on Bangkok streets, what are you going to do then? Just ask yourself, redshirt supporters, do you still respect the leader who wants to see Thais killing Thais for his own benefit?
Like I said my whole life I fought against the military juntas. I went to protest Gen Suchinda's government. I'm a strong advocate of the free and fair elections for Thailand. Throughout the years, I painfully learned that election alone isn't enough. We also need stronger laws and enforcement because our politicians can cheat, and, sad to say, because some of our honest citizens are still happy to be received. They love people simply because they give them something. In Thailand, bribing is norm. The handout that those politicians gave away to the rural poor are so small comparing to the millions they would earn from those government contracts. The bidding companies will pay them big money. And you know who's most adept in exploiting our fraud-prone election system? It's the fugitive mob leader Thaksin. This is the guy who bribed his way into becoming a billionnaire , then amass his assets 4-5 fold during his premier era. Tell me again about the red shirts democracy BS. Now I want to laugh.
I would say that all my life I hate coups. I hate the military juntas like some of those redshirts. However, I support the coup that ousted Thaksin! Let me make this clear, I would never ever support them if their intention was to rule the country by themselves, never in a million years!
I believe Gen Sondhi did the right thing. The purpose of having the military troops should be for 'protecting national security' first and foremost. When we found out that Thaksin was bringing in hundreds of his rural thugs to confront PAD protestors. They knew that Thaksin wanted chaos and violence to happen in this country. Well, ironically just like what he's doing now. Thaksin thinks of his people as tokens. He won't shed tears if his supporters die for him as long as he could benefit from it!
The redshirt supporters are so naive. Right now Thaksin wants violence and bloodshed to happen so he could create the condition that allows him to stay in power. As the PM then, if his vicious plan succeeded, he would enforce the martial law that allowed him to ban all PAD activities so he could rule this country in the same style of any military dictatorial junta.
So, if you were the military chief, and you happened to know all about Thaksin's plan of chaos and violence which could result in bloodbath on Bangkok streets, what are you going to do then? Just ask yourself, redshirt supporters, do you still respect the leader who wants to see Thais killing Thais for his own benefit?
Like I said my whole life I fought against the military juntas. I went to protest Gen Suchinda's government. I'm a strong advocate of the free and fair elections for Thailand. Throughout the years, I painfully learned that election alone isn't enough. We also need stronger laws and enforcement because our politicians can cheat, and, sad to say, because some of our honest citizens are still happy to be received. They love people simply because they give them something. In Thailand, bribing is norm. The handout that those politicians gave away to the rural poor are so small comparing to the millions they would earn from those government contracts. The bidding companies will pay them big money. And you know who's most adept in exploiting our fraud-prone election system? It's the fugitive mob leader Thaksin. This is the guy who bribed his way into becoming a billionnaire , then amass his assets 4-5 fold during his premier era. Tell me again about the red shirts democracy BS. Now I want to laugh.
Comment 101
Kant date : 31/03/2009 time : 22:31
So sad seeing so many good Tais suffering over Thaksin and now his personal greed to get his seized money back..My heart goes out to all the good Thais .
Tailande I love you and your good citizens.I pray for peace and unity of all in Tailande
Mr Thaksin is a convicted fugitive of the law and needs to return to serve his sentence .
Please note I also agreed Thaksin has done some goodness but now hes working with the devil for personal needs and not for the best interest of Tailande.
Tailande I love you and your good citizens.I pray for peace and unity of all in Tailande
Mr Thaksin is a convicted fugitive of the law and needs to return to serve his sentence .
Please note I also agreed Thaksin has done some goodness but now hes working with the devil for personal needs and not for the best interest of Tailande.
Comment 102
mike date : 01/04/2009 time : 10:41
date : 01/04/2009 time : 10:41
Thaksin has done a lot of good for the poor farmers and i salute him for that.he also has a lot of respect from the poor and needy.many people say that he is corrupt but who isnt in Thailand,so he avoided a bit of tax..big deal..and who started this red shirt yellow shirt conflict?. the media i think.Thaksin has always been a loyal supporter of the Royal family.the country should be run by business men and not politicians.just look where the country is now..i love Thailand and i lived there for 2 years,i visit whenever time allows me.and the Thai people that i speak to say that Thaksin would still be good for the country.so please stop all this bickering and sort yourselvs out for the sake of the monarcy and Thailands future.
Comment 103
Socrates21 date : 01/04/2009 time : 18:54
date : 01/04/2009 time : 18:54
This is certainly Thaksin's last hurrah. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. My opinion is that he is better off in the Carribean, but given that he is running out of money, I guess he is hoping to get back to milk Thailand's economy for all he can get.
I am a Thai who is in the USA since 11th grade. I have been living in the US since 1971 so I know a little bit about Democracy. By birthright I am still a Thai citizen because I was born in Thailand. I have been visiting Thailand 3 – 4 times a year since 1997. I know the democratic system in the US fairly well and most of the time it works (except during George W. elections.) I also know the political process in Thailand a little bit. The “Democracy” in the USA and the “Democracy” in Thailand share a common name but I can’t think of anything else that is similar. I agree with most of the things in COMMENT 44.
Comment 105
pierre corso date : 01/04/2009 time : 21:31
date : 01/04/2009 time : 21:31
it's hard to give up "power" ,once you taste it. Am I right,Mr Thaksin ? Who 's your favorite idol, Fidel Castro , Stalin, Hitler,Franco, etc. ? They all claimed to be saviors of the poor when they started but they seemingly had short memories .
Comment 106
Skip Franklin date : 01/04/2009 time : 21:58
date : 01/04/2009 time : 21:58
It's been said by many that the one who wins the fight is the one who "endures the longest". Sorry to say , I tend to believe that Thaksin, though a convict on the run who nobody can locate?(please!),knows the spoils of war available from Thailand to him personally if he endures. Aside from his clear-cut desire for revenge and to punish foes, he is driven by the inevitable personal opportunities so obviously available at this historical point in time or in the near future. When Thailand loses its' "moral compass" I'm afraid things are going to "rock 'n roll". If this happens, my heart will break for a country I have come to love and its people. Good Luck.
Comment 107
Village Idiot date : 03/04/2009 time : 00:44
date : 03/04/2009 time : 00:44
Its plainly obvious that there are two definate "camps" of political thought in Thailand.
In my opinion this problem which is crippling your beautiful country will never end........unless the present military appointed PM becomes an honest man. Brings about a pardon for Thaksin, so that he can return to Thailand.
Then resigns from the office of PM , bring on a new honest and up front election. Let the population as a whole vote for who they really want to run the country. Then respect the winner of that election and allow him/her to rule for the constitutional term.
If he/she does not rule in the interest of the people as a whole, then vote him/her out at the next elections.
Changing the government by military coups or any other way other than legal elections should be considered a very serious offence against the nation and the crown, eventually punishable by a very long jail sentence.
As i have already said, unless this happens, Thailand will swiftly drop into a very poor 3rd world country, probably somewhere near the bottom of the heap.
Forget about all the anti Thaksin propaganda and start afresh...........ITS THE ONLY WAY !
In my opinion this problem which is crippling your beautiful country will never end........unless the present military appointed PM becomes an honest man. Brings about a pardon for Thaksin, so that he can return to Thailand.
Then resigns from the office of PM , bring on a new honest and up front election. Let the population as a whole vote for who they really want to run the country. Then respect the winner of that election and allow him/her to rule for the constitutional term.
If he/she does not rule in the interest of the people as a whole, then vote him/her out at the next elections.
Changing the government by military coups or any other way other than legal elections should be considered a very serious offence against the nation and the crown, eventually punishable by a very long jail sentence.
As i have already said, unless this happens, Thailand will swiftly drop into a very poor 3rd world country, probably somewhere near the bottom of the heap.
Forget about all the anti Thaksin propaganda and start afresh...........ITS THE ONLY WAY !
Comment 108
Chi Bai King date : 03/04/2009 time : 11:14
The truth is there was a coup to overthrow the democratically elected government. How could BP is blinded on this? Don't standby the wrong. Always stand by the truth. PM Dr Thaksin was overthrown. Thsi was and is the fact. So Thais, if love the truth ; living by Do Good, avoid evil, then support Thaksin.
Comment 109
niessen, dierk date : 03/04/2009 time : 11:34
date : 03/04/2009 time : 11:34
I am also from outside. Although I am a foreigner, I have to agree with the comment no. 16. The problem with most of the foreigners in Thailand really is, that they are by now too many. As they are just a bunch of loud-mouthed hollow souls, known as hungry PETAS, having learned nothing else but the perfect constuctions of facades, shrouded in darkness, illuminated by artificial floodlighting, which they call education, Thais should think twice, to keep them any longer roaming about their country
and hearing their "wise" remarkes.
and hearing their "wise" remarkes.
Comment 110
niessen, dierk date : 03/04/2009 time : 11:38
date : 03/04/2009 time : 11:38
I am also from outside. Although I am a foreigner, I have to agree with the comment no. 16. The problem with most of the foreigners in Thailand really is, that they are by now too many. As they are just a bunch of loud-mouthed hollow souls, known as hungry PETAS, having learned nothing else but the perfect constuctions of facades, shrouded in darkness, illuminated by artificial floodlighting, which they call education, Thais should think twice, to keep them any longer roaming about their country
and hearing their "wise" remarkes.
and hearing their "wise" remarkes.
Comment 111
Suthep date : 03/04/2009 time : 14:24
date : 03/04/2009 time : 14:24
i don't understand what all the fuzz is about. If Gen. Prem did not stage the coup then who did?? Prem is the only one who could organize it. Why be ashamed of this, good riddens! But don't be a snake and hide for your deeds.
Comment 112
Sunthorn Skulpone date : 03/04/2009 time : 16:33
date : 03/04/2009 time : 16:33
Post number 38, you said it all!! I agree with everything you mentioned. At least you and me think alike, may be Thailand has a good chance of developing democracy. I hope you are also humble like me too. Thaksin, you are in seriuos trouble!!
Soontong
Soontong
Comment 113
just me date : 03/04/2009 time : 19:23
maybe this is reason his wife divorced so she can get her charges of land issuse gone as it has and to control payments to the red shirts in Thailand.
Comment 114
Soksabai date : 04/04/2009 time : 03:25
date : 04/04/2009 time : 03:25
Go Khun Thaksin!
Kick the fascist pigs out of the government, prosecute that corrupt stooge Abhisit.
Revolution is the only thing that will help. So get those red shirts out and get down into the streets.
Don't let them get too complacent!
Kick the fascist pigs out of the government, prosecute that corrupt stooge Abhisit.
Revolution is the only thing that will help. So get those red shirts out and get down into the streets.
Don't let them get too complacent!
Comment 115
NidNoi date : 04/04/2009 time : 07:04
date : 04/04/2009 time : 07:04
Thaksin did more for Thailand than any other Thai prime minister in history.
He did make money for himself but hes a very clever businessman - so what.
He can make Thailand lots of money through foreign investment and other means. The democrat party and their temporary friends will make only themseleves money and allow the old guard and the army to actually run the country instead of the Parliament.
Thaksins crime is daring to say elected people should rule and not self appointed people.
He WILL be back - count on it.
He did make money for himself but hes a very clever businessman - so what.
He can make Thailand lots of money through foreign investment and other means. The democrat party and their temporary friends will make only themseleves money and allow the old guard and the army to actually run the country instead of the Parliament.
Thaksins crime is daring to say elected people should rule and not self appointed people.
He WILL be back - count on it.
what a bias article! if there was no coup back in 2006 thailand wouldn't have this kind of mess, thailand already moved few steps foward now.
Comment 117
Peter date : 05/04/2009 time : 02:02
date : 05/04/2009 time : 02:02
The current situation in Thailand derived from the greedy of privy coucillors who are hungry for power and use the Royalty as the tool to fool Thai people. What’d happen is the people would be in doubt with the Royalty and that would be the end of the line like it used to happen in some countries.
Comment 118
billabong date : 05/04/2009 time : 09:55
date : 05/04/2009 time : 09:55
I notice that HONESTY is so difficult to locate amongst our readers.
Comment 119
sparta111 date : 05/04/2009 time : 14:56
date : 05/04/2009 time : 14:56
If we can reset the clock to Sept 18 2006 and still live under the Thaksin's rule, we will be walking naked and begging in the street while this tax evader and his clan "suffer" in their private jets! Don't ever forget that the declared asset of Thaksin was 20,000 million baht when he took office,
while the national household debts were 75,000 baht per household. When Thaksin 76 billion baht asset was frozen here in Thailand he still had enough money to buy Manchester City Football club, private jet, several mansions in the UK, HK and hundreds of billion baht stashed away in other tax havens. The average Thai household debts are now hovering above 150,000 baht/household.
The equation is simple and clear as daylight, Thaksin is now 10 times richer (from unknown reasons other than corruption) and the people are 2 times poorer.
Remember Al Capone killed several hundred people, smuggling alcohol and tobacco + firearms but never once was he convicted. However, he was jailed and later died in jail because of TAX EVASION and this is where MR.THAKSIN going to end his life, IN JAIL!!!!
Comment 120
Kelvin date : 05/04/2009 time : 18:57
date : 05/04/2009 time : 18:57
I am a Thai living in USA. Thaksin has done wonderful things for Thailand. He got us out of the crisis in the mid 90's. He returned money borrowed from IMF (IMF, World Bank are both very bad news.) I think the international bankers and the elites (both Thais and foreigners) don't like this because they would not be able to control Thailand. This was why Thaksin was ousted, I truely believe that.
A song I used to sing came to my mind: Ta In kup Ta Na. This two sides (yellow and red shirts) need to reach an agreement of some sort otherwise Ta Ou will come. If Ta Ou is a dark foreign force, it's over for Thailand. If Ta Ou is a dark domestic force, it's not much better. However if Ta Ou is a knight, more power to Thailand. Maybe someone needs to start a grassroot movement and get Thailand out of this quagmire.
Comment 121
goh date : 06/04/2009 time : 04:43
date : 06/04/2009 time : 04:43
Do not back Takshin into a corner.
Pls live and let live ...
Pls live and let live ...
Comment 123
Charin date : 07/04/2009 time : 06:32
date : 07/04/2009 time : 06:32
We need change in Thailand, we do not want military influnced over our democracy. We know how to think, please do not judge everything for us, even we are grassroots we understand the situation. Nobody pays us money.
Comment 124
Philip Calvert date : 07/04/2009 time : 08:24
date : 07/04/2009 time : 08:24
Hey, if the guy can come back and get the last few baht he doesn't already have, more power to him. If the people want him to have all the money and power, it is their choice. As for me, leave a few bucks for the people who seem to have nothing left but pride and faith. I love the Thai people and feel sorry for those who don't know when someone just stole their last baht!
Comment 125
torting date : 07/04/2009 time : 08:39
date : 07/04/2009 time : 08:39
Right position on the wrong time. And not recognize what is the name of this country. So"the man" is good but bad and people love him but hate. He donates by left hand and kills by another.
Comment 126
farangly speaking date : 07/04/2009 time : 17:02
date : 07/04/2009 time : 17:02
Here's a plan. Have a lottery by official ID number. Every Thai citizen over 21 is automatically eligible. 150 names will be randomly chosen from the entire Thai population. These are the new representatives of the Thai people and they will be paid well and equally, and will enjoy equal power to appoint from among their ranks a prime minister that will begin a 6 month interim term. Pending a performance review, he or she may continue another 6 months with a term limit of 4 years. This group of 149 plus 1 will....well, if we are going to solve this for you consultation fees will be required for the simple reason that strategies released for free are never taken seiously.
Comment 127
geoff date : 07/04/2009 time : 19:04
date : 07/04/2009 time : 19:04
It seems that Thaksin is out just to destroy Thailand. He should face the truth with his past when he was in power. Now he is a criminal living abroad. The government must stand firm on this issue
Comment 128
Faramund date : 07/04/2009 time : 23:36
Many people think of democracy as a gift from those in power, to those without. In my opinion, democracy is an alternative to civil war. If governments can't be changed democratically the only alternative is civil war. It's very sad to see Thailand going down this path. The alternative is democracy/managed democracy, its democracy/civil war
Comment 129
johncm date : 08/04/2009 time : 01:53
date : 08/04/2009 time : 01:53
It is difficult to understand why so many people here love Thaksin as they do. Just look at how much money he and his supporters made while he was in office. Tax crimes (and the laundry list of other allegations) aside, using your political situation to gain financial benefit isn’t exactly what we’d expect from a true statesman. To this I’m sure they would say something like ”we did not break any laws”. Perhaps not, but it is highly unethical, even if it is within the rather flimsy confines of the law.
I don’t want to be completely one-sided. I cannot deny that Chaing Mai has benefited tremendously from his administration’s efforts, and I’m sure that other areas did as well. And while many did not approve of his methods, he actually brought the drug trade to its knees for a short while. Unfortunately for Mr. Thaksin, this is a move that has been highly scrutinized ever since.
Thaksin's latest efforts smack of desperation. Like an overindulged child, he is quite clearly impractical at not getting what he wants. If his latest call for an uprising is all that he has left in his bag of tricks, then he’d better get used to not getting his way.
Next week will tell how much 'weight' he still pulls here. However, his support seems to be in a state of atrophy.
Comment 130
Khb date : 08/04/2009 time : 07:36
date : 08/04/2009 time : 07:36
Resent Thai goverment should have big consideration on this hug protest against present premier Apisit. If you like democracy Apisit should step down his power. I think most Thai poeple really need Taksin to lead their country due to he's so qualified and well-know leader.
Comment 131
Khb date : 08/04/2009 time : 07:55
date : 08/04/2009 time : 07:55
Thaksin is doing the things for Thai people but Abhisit must step down from the current power.
Comment 132
Farang 26 date : 08/04/2009 time : 09:30
date : 08/04/2009 time : 09:30
Khun Thaksin tried to sell Thailand's best rice growing country to Saudi Arabian interests, according to a report published in the March issue of Le Monde Diplomatique. Why did he do this?
Comment 133
john doe date : 08/04/2009 time : 13:47
date : 08/04/2009 time : 13:47
I am a farang living up country for more then ten years. This doesn't give me any credibility of course.
But the fact is that every red shirt today at the not so big demonstration is paid 300 baht a day, including free food, free transportation and free drinks (i.e. whisky). And they only stay two days in Bangkok. Thaksin pays for it all. No red shirt in his right mind would go to this demonstration for free or out of conviction.
Our yellow friends on the other hand, have occupied the government building for more then hundred days in harsh conditions and were only given free food an free drinks (i.e. water). No daily wages, no free transport and no free alcohol.
The point I want to make is that most red shirts go to Bangkok to make a quick buck and to have a day out. Most of them don't have a clue where it's all about. Most of them are illiterate senior Issaan citizens.
But the fact is that every red shirt today at the not so big demonstration is paid 300 baht a day, including free food, free transportation and free drinks (i.e. whisky). And they only stay two days in Bangkok. Thaksin pays for it all. No red shirt in his right mind would go to this demonstration for free or out of conviction.
Our yellow friends on the other hand, have occupied the government building for more then hundred days in harsh conditions and were only given free food an free drinks (i.e. water). No daily wages, no free transport and no free alcohol.
The point I want to make is that most red shirts go to Bangkok to make a quick buck and to have a day out. Most of them don't have a clue where it's all about. Most of them are illiterate senior Issaan citizens.
Comment 134
roger date : 08/04/2009 time : 14:34
date : 08/04/2009 time : 14:34
They don't talk about the American who helped Toxic set up the satellite which made him so much money from the mobile phone . Toxic kicked his American partner out of the country and kept all the profit for himself. The American has still not receieved any money from the company they had together. Matter of fact he used his power to keep him out of court and not pay him anything .
Comment 135
Carl date : 08/04/2009 time : 15:54
date : 08/04/2009 time : 15:54
Red Shirts - I agree with you and your deep feelings for your beloved former PM. Before him you had no cows, no rubber plants, no money (but handouts from the politicos) or a free bus trip to Bangkok (to participate in the mass demonstrations) to visit their friends and family's - such a deal. Such is the case with my sister-in-law and her friends who live in Udorn. Finally, Red Shirts, the previous PM has deceived you, the tax payer. Gives you a few baht and amasses a fortune for himself and his family. Shame on Thaksin for putting not only his family, but the poor through such a devastating ordeal. Think about!
Pom Rak Thailand.
Comment 136
farangly speaking date : 08/04/2009 time : 19:47
date : 08/04/2009 time : 19:47
RE Comment 51
Not quite as simple as democracy or civil war. Democracy is majority rule without any safeguards against the trampling of individual rights. A lynch mob is majority rule to the extreme. The genuis of the founders of the original America is that they formed a republic, which is a government of law under a constitution, to guarantee the rights of every individual. The problem comes when power grabbers use the guise of democracy to spin popular opinion in order to justify interpreting the law and constitution of a republic according to their own agendas.
Not quite as simple as democracy or civil war. Democracy is majority rule without any safeguards against the trampling of individual rights. A lynch mob is majority rule to the extreme. The genuis of the founders of the original America is that they formed a republic, which is a government of law under a constitution, to guarantee the rights of every individual. The problem comes when power grabbers use the guise of democracy to spin popular opinion in order to justify interpreting the law and constitution of a republic according to their own agendas.
Comment 137
Samart date : 08/04/2009 time : 20:10
The only binds all Thai people is the King and Thai people love their King. Anyone shows indifference to monarchy has no place in Thai politics or Thai society. It should be clear to yellow shirt, red shirt, blue shirt or green shirt, the King is most loved and will be ever loved. Thailand for Thai people.
Comment 138
chonbruo date : 08/04/2009 time : 23:39
date : 08/04/2009 time : 23:39
remember who prem represents and pick your sides!
remember who has helped the thai people the most....think health insurance and economic devolopment, not making rain.
remember who has helped the thai people the most....think health insurance and economic devolopment, not making rain.
Comment 139
Daniel Been date : 09/04/2009 time : 05:27
date : 09/04/2009 time : 05:27
I believe that Thaksin should have the rights to fight. He should be given the rights. What is democracy by the way in Thailand? This forum is one sided.
Comment 140
cor verhoef date : 09/04/2009 time : 05:45
date : 09/04/2009 time : 05:45
Thaksin has hit rock-bottom and he's.......digging
Comment 141
sun date : 09/04/2009 time : 07:19
If only the Reds would at least read and evaluate Wikipedia on Thaksin's profile, weight and find more controversial facts regards to him instead of wasting their time demanding "Thaksin's Democracy" and supporting the absurd rich junks full of greed and power in hoping for false promise and little gains in return. Well, this happens in a country where there is low education and where money can buy everything, even your dignity and pride!
Comment 142
Marco date : 09/04/2009 time : 12:40
date : 09/04/2009 time : 12:40
Regarding comment #16, we might think that we know more because we have freedom of speech! Thailand is really split over the red shirts and yellow shirts. When the yellow shirts took over the airport, a lot of supporters lost a lot of faith and business, and now are bitter about the yellow shirts actions. Some have lost their cars and houses too. Just look at all the bank owned houses for sale. Taking over airports and government offices is not really productive, but rather destructive.
Comment 143
Jason date : 09/04/2009 time : 18:31
date : 09/04/2009 time : 18:31
What use is democracy if the majority are not educated enough to understand it? The poor people of Issan need to be educated to understand the power they wield. Unfortunately, they are abused and tormented by Thaksin with promises and small handouts that make him the Santa Claus of Issan. I know people that sold their vote for less than 500 Baht, I know others that were paid to attend the red shirt rally's, what kind of democracy is that? I have lived in Thailand for 24 years, I speak Thai and understand the people. For some reason the press (foreign mainly) paint this as an Elite versus Poor dispute, it is not! What it is in truth is the educated (middle class & elite) against the (paid for) uneducated class, fact! In fairness Thaksin did some good things whilst he was prime minister, but all the while lining his own pockets! His cronies running around to catch the crumbs thrown down to them, in their greed to be rich and opponents wiped out in the guise of being drug dealers, who benefits? Follow the money! Fortunately Thailand now has a well educated and caring leader who allows free speach and press, unlike Thaksin however, it is unfortunate that so many greedy people don't realise this! Thaksin is very selfish and he is one man determined to cause civil war in an otherwise peaceful country. I truly worry for when King Bhumipol finally passes away what will happen to my beloved, beautiful Thailand? If Thaksin cared about the country he would accept the olive branch that has been offfered or just shut up and enjoy his privalidged life.
Comment 144
Patriot date : 09/04/2009 time : 22:51
Disappointed after to see how irrational Thai could be. It's unfortunate that all now have to suffer a consequence of the previous corrupted government regime. It's a shame that Thai has to divide into two showing no patriotism (and obviously how barbarian these people are). It's abysmally regretful to see how people can be bought by money and easily forgot a common value Thai shares. They clearly simply show to the world they are willing to give up country's best interest (which is growth and at least this economic crisis) for a corrupted political body who probably feed them well temporarily with some money. Remember, if you ruin foreigner's image on Thailand, your tourism, investment, and other economics, the backbone of country's income), will be cut back as they will flee away from you. Once no income, what will you do? The country also falls into a deep black hole. Well, I can express no more regret and disappointment than saying that probably the country integrity is well shown and foreigners are probably done with this country. I encouraged all Thais to be more rational, patriotism, and remind themselves of their common principle that have moved the country forward so far. Be serious about country future. I am serious. Agree with the comment that banning these idiots and corrupted political figures temporarily is a joke. However, the whole thing is really a joke in this century. It's like a drunk who never ever gets out of his high. All have to center around patriotism and hard-working. It only boils down to "are you willing to unite and work together as a country?". Clearly now I see that the fools and the irrationals are clouding the countries. Therefore, I can only say I see no light in the tunnel. Might sound harsh but it's the most honest.
Comment 145
Sirivan date : 09/04/2009 time : 23:56
date : 09/04/2009 time : 23:56
A crook, in fact the biggest crook that Thailand has ever had, trying to fool the world by using the word " Democracy".
Sorry, It will not work this time. The whole world knew you preety well now.
Sorry, It will not work this time. The whole world knew you preety well now.
Comment 146
aRIYA date : 10/04/2009 time : 00:47
date : 10/04/2009 time : 00:47
To Comment #7:
If Mr Taksin wants the
regions to grow as he claimed, it's not the way to do it. He gave money(he made it like his money but i think we all know where the money was from)to the poors and let them enjoy. The right way is to build the foundation which is the education and the culture to set foot firmly before going to other directions. For Mr Taksin's family business, who doesn't know how they do their business. He did tons of things including changing the law to benefit his party.. He might be good at doing business but our nation is not the corporate, we are not on sales in the market. I wish he could stay in peace and enjoy the rest of his life with his family.
If Mr Taksin wants the
regions to grow as he claimed, it's not the way to do it. He gave money(he made it like his money but i think we all know where the money was from)to the poors and let them enjoy. The right way is to build the foundation which is the education and the culture to set foot firmly before going to other directions. For Mr Taksin's family business, who doesn't know how they do their business. He did tons of things including changing the law to benefit his party.. He might be good at doing business but our nation is not the corporate, we are not on sales in the market. I wish he could stay in peace and enjoy the rest of his life with his family.
Comment 147
guss date : 10/04/2009 time : 02:55
date : 10/04/2009 time : 02:55
the thais are close minded people. they will not accept something that they do not agree with. they do not wish to apply tolerance to people of a different political opinion. i do not care which side they come from the attitude is the same. reds, and yellows both will not accept each other. the system in thailand is so far from what any system should be. it is now the second most corrupt country in southeast asia. this is sad and unbelievable when you consider that it is one of the most opportune countries in the region. i have seen more racism in this country than i have in my own (usa). the people of thailand will not succeed unless they open their minds, and realize who they actually are. people here seem to always pat themselves on the back. the truth is they are all sabai sabai, and that leads to mediocracy. please thailand look at yourself for who you actually are. please learn from other countries.
Comment 148
guss date : 10/04/2009 time : 03:05
date : 10/04/2009 time : 03:05
most of the people in this country is close minded, and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they will fight until they learn to accept something different.
look and learn from the us. 40 years ago they hung blacks outside of their houses. today the president is black. thais are all the same race, but everywhere in this country you judge people by the amount of money they have, or the people they know. when will you grow up?
look and learn from the us. 40 years ago they hung blacks outside of their houses. today the president is black. thais are all the same race, but everywhere in this country you judge people by the amount of money they have, or the people they know. when will you grow up?
Comment 149
jojo date : 10/04/2009 time : 03:10
date : 10/04/2009 time : 03:10
comment 38 it seems that you dont know what you want--yellow shirts against red shirts--,no one willing to compromise--all the farang bashing only goes to show how stupid and ignorant you are--comment 36 is the most sensible posted so far.
jojo
chiangmai
jojo
chiangmai
Comment 150
jeff date : 10/04/2009 time : 05:49
date : 10/04/2009 time : 05:49
thaksin soo selfish and red shirt stupid fight for him..
fight for yior own interest
fight for yior own interest
Comment 151
Tirachart Charuvastra date : 10/04/2009 time : 09:45
date : 10/04/2009 time : 09:45
I guess no one saw the telivised coverage in Parliament, when the people's representative voted Aphisit in as Prime Minister.
That is Democracy.
Thaksin do not know what Democracy mean.
That is Democracy.
Thaksin do not know what Democracy mean.
Comment 152
Parsh date : 10/04/2009 time : 10:50
date : 10/04/2009 time : 10:50
Thaksin does not have Thailand in his best interest. He is a wounded tiger at the moment and is using his emotions to avenge his circumstance. He should put his emotions aside and think about what is best for the country. He is causing unrest and a great divide amongst the country. The truth of the matter is Abhisit is an educated ruler that is looking at the best interest of the country and will help us take the nation forward during this economic crisis.
Thaksin has only tried to SELL Thailand. He has treated the nation as a market place for him to conduct business. Case in point, he was using Thailand to purchase Liverpool Football Club; a country owning a Football simply to fulfill his passion?!? He is arrogant, selfish and should be immediately removed from having the right to hold Thai citizenship. Any citizen that looks at his country as a means to promote himself, his wealth and his heritage by ignoring the core basic principals and abusing his power to the extremes (human rights issues,tax evasion etc.), should be prosecuted. In my eyes, he is a traitor to the country and should be receive severe punishment for the sufferings of the Thai people and the country.
Thaksin has only tried to SELL Thailand. He has treated the nation as a market place for him to conduct business. Case in point, he was using Thailand to purchase Liverpool Football Club; a country owning a Football simply to fulfill his passion?!? He is arrogant, selfish and should be immediately removed from having the right to hold Thai citizenship. Any citizen that looks at his country as a means to promote himself, his wealth and his heritage by ignoring the core basic principals and abusing his power to the extremes (human rights issues,tax evasion etc.), should be prosecuted. In my eyes, he is a traitor to the country and should be receive severe punishment for the sufferings of the Thai people and the country.
Comment 153
Take no side date : 10/04/2009 time : 17:42
date : 10/04/2009 time : 17:42
Taksin go over board this time.
He should known better what will be the outcome.
We are peoples we love our country no one love our country less than another.
So any colors that they pick they will end up to one flag isn't it.
He should known better what will be the outcome.
We are peoples we love our country no one love our country less than another.
So any colors that they pick they will end up to one flag isn't it.
Comment 154
Kris date : 10/04/2009 time : 18:37
date : 10/04/2009 time : 18:37
Mr. Thaksin is the past. Only his ego remains. It is now the duty of the Thais, for the sake of their country, to remedy their broken wings and mend their shattered nest. It's useless to lament the past. Accept the fact that no one leader is perfect. So what? Unless the Thais stop throwing mud at each other and turn toward each other to re-build the country, who will? Mr. Thaksin must stop doing what he has been doing unless he wants to be known as the coutry's worst enemy.
Sad to see him desperate. A good leader should know when his time has come to close an old chapter, and start a new one.
As with most leaders of his kind, he can't get to terms with his new life in exile. No one 'wahs' to him in Dubai, London, China or elsewhere.
My guess is after running from country to country, he won't find another Thailand elsewhere, electorate 'phishing' amongst peasants with 1000 Baht notes.
For the common man : all the money - yet still unhappy. For him Billions have no more meaning.
He must recall Napoleon: "St. Helena um Mitternacht, ein Kaiser ist vom Traum erwacht - er denkt daran, wie bald sich alles aendern kann. Er ist verlassen und allein, und wollte nah den Sternen sein. Oh denkt daran - wie bald sich alles aendern kann."
As with most leaders of his kind, he can't get to terms with his new life in exile. No one 'wahs' to him in Dubai, London, China or elsewhere.
My guess is after running from country to country, he won't find another Thailand elsewhere, electorate 'phishing' amongst peasants with 1000 Baht notes.
For the common man : all the money - yet still unhappy. For him Billions have no more meaning.
He must recall Napoleon: "St. Helena um Mitternacht, ein Kaiser ist vom Traum erwacht - er denkt daran, wie bald sich alles aendern kann. Er ist verlassen und allein, und wollte nah den Sternen sein. Oh denkt daran - wie bald sich alles aendern kann."
Comment 156
Songyot Sakarin date : 11/04/2009 time : 04:05
date : 11/04/2009 time : 04:05
It's a pity for some hungry Thai grassroots who were convinced by the traitor Thaksin. Only little money can hire them to be protesters to destroy their own country. These people don't know that they are tools for someone seeking for power to come back and sap all the wealthiness to his own families and gangs. These gangs try to make the country their business firm where they can make profits. Wake up! the persons who will get hurt are not the Thaksin's families, they all are billionaires, it's you- all grassroots. Don't let him hold your nose like buffaloes.
Comment 157
Ae date : 11/04/2009 time : 04:33
date : 11/04/2009 time : 04:33
The kings actions and inactions should speak louder than words to anyone who is paying attention. Long live the King.
Comment 158
Meekao date : 11/04/2009 time : 06:39
date : 11/04/2009 time : 06:39
Thailand will never be democratic until they fix the election rules. Everyone (except the foreigners) know that Thaksin came to power by paying off the village elders and those in position to influence the ignorant but populous Issan people. Ask any Issan person who lives outside of a major city what the word democracy means, they won't be able to answer, either because they never completed kindergarten or because they can't even speak Thai. Ask them who they will vote for in the next elections, I guarantee they will all parrot the same thing. -Why? -Because they all are being fed the information from the same source.
I was in Udorn the year the coup happened and Thaksin was hiding from the protesters in Bangkok. AIS and Thaksin supporters brought in (what they claimed to be) 40,000 supporters who loved Thaksin. They all were trucked from villages outside the city, fed free fried meatballs and entertained by some local singer. Thaksin showed up, at which time everyone was told to wave their little Thai flags and shout "hurrah". Talking with the people after the rally was over, not one could tell me what the rally was about. All they know was "we were told to come here by the village headman."
Call this democracy? No wonder Thailand is on the same page as Cambodia when it comes to Democracy. It's a democratically corrupted regime in which the person with the biggest pocketbook wins the round and gets to bleed the country for their own benefit.
Please dear foreigners, don't try to bullshit us with all your "democracy" babble. Elections are rife with corruption. Thailand will never be truely democratic. Both the red shirts and the yellow shirts should assemble, kill each other and end it there. Thailand would be better off without all of them, as well as all of our "democratic" leaders, Thaksin included.
Comment 159
SLAY date : 11/04/2009 time : 08:39
date : 11/04/2009 time : 08:39
No body knows what is really going on if you are not a person living in Thailand. Thai people are lovely person who have been exposed to peace and rarely have show violence. The most important factor in this dramatic situation is that people never have enough need of money and power. Some of the governmental people are sometime too conservative and some need to see some psycholgist to check if they are able to work for their country or Thailand. I am not joking since I believe from my experience in being here for 20 years that Thailand education and mentality is still way back from a civilized country. Therefore most of thai people with not much knowledge which cover more than half of the Thai population can be influence easily just by giving away cash or even giving them access to borrow money easily.
Those important factors can right away give those thai people a good image of their leader. Thai people with low education only think about their daily survival and don't think in the long run that the country is slowly suffering which will lead to a total economic disaster of thailand.
Thai Laborer and employees should help the big companies in Thailand to survived since if the big companies close down their business, Everyone will suffered from the economic crisis but the one who will suffered the most will be the Thai people with low education who depend on the big companies that they detroyed from their ignorance.
I really hope that every foreigners who read my comment will understand that the problem of our country that we are facing now in Thailand comes from the first day that Thai people had elected Thaksin to be their trustful leader with the stupid believe that rich people like Thaksin will never cheat them! (what a pity to think like this..)
Psychologigly we can say that some people are rich and clever in a good way and some are rich and clever in a bad way. Unfortunately, because of our lack of knowledge in analysing Thaksin, thai people had chosen a rich and clever man who kind of enjoy corrupting.
Money is raising the poor people which lead to violence and not the people raising themselves for a better life.
When you think of corruption, traveller who had been in thailand might already knows that corruption in Thailand is popular no-matter if you get punish for any bribery, you can always get away from it by paying people under the table.
Anyway, I strongly believe that behind this dark side that there will be light at the end.
I can assure everyone that Thailand is still a wonderful place to visit and very safe as well. Thai people are still very nice with tourists. The stupid war here is only within the government, a game between Thaksin and the actual government where money is the king.
God bless the good thai people and Thailand keep smiling
peace in the world my friends...
Those important factors can right away give those thai people a good image of their leader. Thai people with low education only think about their daily survival and don't think in the long run that the country is slowly suffering which will lead to a total economic disaster of thailand.
Thai Laborer and employees should help the big companies in Thailand to survived since if the big companies close down their business, Everyone will suffered from the economic crisis but the one who will suffered the most will be the Thai people with low education who depend on the big companies that they detroyed from their ignorance.
I really hope that every foreigners who read my comment will understand that the problem of our country that we are facing now in Thailand comes from the first day that Thai people had elected Thaksin to be their trustful leader with the stupid believe that rich people like Thaksin will never cheat them! (what a pity to think like this..)
Psychologigly we can say that some people are rich and clever in a good way and some are rich and clever in a bad way. Unfortunately, because of our lack of knowledge in analysing Thaksin, thai people had chosen a rich and clever man who kind of enjoy corrupting.
Money is raising the poor people which lead to violence and not the people raising themselves for a better life.
When you think of corruption, traveller who had been in thailand might already knows that corruption in Thailand is popular no-matter if you get punish for any bribery, you can always get away from it by paying people under the table.
Anyway, I strongly believe that behind this dark side that there will be light at the end.
I can assure everyone that Thailand is still a wonderful place to visit and very safe as well. Thai people are still very nice with tourists. The stupid war here is only within the government, a game between Thaksin and the actual government where money is the king.
God bless the good thai people and Thailand keep smiling
peace in the world my friends...
Comment 160
GVH date : 12/04/2009 time : 02:33
date : 12/04/2009 time : 02:33
I hate the UDD, they are all being paid for by Thaksin and they are just a bunch of FAKERS.
Rise up against the UDD and their phoney cause!
Rise up against the UDD and their phoney cause!
Comment 161
Wayne7497 date : 12/04/2009 time : 03:02
date : 12/04/2009 time : 03:02
Comment 16
Tonychonburi
Foreigners foreigners thats all we ever hear from some of you Thais, get off your High Horses... YES it would seem we DO KNOW DEMOCRACY better than you... Corruption is everywhere in Thailand ive seen it with my own eyes... and YES sure Democracy is founded on the will of the People... But you fail to understand that.. Asking us whether we love Thailand or love the King isnt really helpful.. It plays no part in your concept of Democracy... You want to play on the World scene and be one of the BIG boys but you dont want any foreigners input or help... FINE CLOSE your borders too Western Tourists, CLOSE your EXPORTS to foreign traders... FIX it YOURSELF you after ALL know Thailand so well..???? Right you cant you want Foreign $$$$ but expect to give nothing back in Return... YOUR ridiculous belief in the EVIL FARANG trying to STEAL your country just shows your NAIVETY... Just maybe US foreigners LOOK and SEE the whole world... Some of you Thais just put blinders on and forget you are part of something bigger than any one country... You forget your country would be in absolute turmoil without Western $$s coming in... SO IF you dont need our Help FIX it yourself... Thaksin ?? Be serious... You really expect Thailand to be taken seriously if he is in charge ? Not likely WE unlike yourselves receive UNBIASED news reports on Thailand, I think we get more of the facts than you do...
Tonychonburi
Foreigners foreigners thats all we ever hear from some of you Thais, get off your High Horses... YES it would seem we DO KNOW DEMOCRACY better than you... Corruption is everywhere in Thailand ive seen it with my own eyes... and YES sure Democracy is founded on the will of the People... But you fail to understand that.. Asking us whether we love Thailand or love the King isnt really helpful.. It plays no part in your concept of Democracy... You want to play on the World scene and be one of the BIG boys but you dont want any foreigners input or help... FINE CLOSE your borders too Western Tourists, CLOSE your EXPORTS to foreign traders... FIX it YOURSELF you after ALL know Thailand so well..???? Right you cant you want Foreign $$$$ but expect to give nothing back in Return... YOUR ridiculous belief in the EVIL FARANG trying to STEAL your country just shows your NAIVETY... Just maybe US foreigners LOOK and SEE the whole world... Some of you Thais just put blinders on and forget you are part of something bigger than any one country... You forget your country would be in absolute turmoil without Western $$s coming in... SO IF you dont need our Help FIX it yourself... Thaksin ?? Be serious... You really expect Thailand to be taken seriously if he is in charge ? Not likely WE unlike yourselves receive UNBIASED news reports on Thailand, I think we get more of the facts than you do...
Comment 162
Jack Mairoo date : 12/04/2009 time : 06:04
date : 12/04/2009 time : 06:04
Can we simply not talk about Thaksin - if the newspapers stopped printing his name and writing about him, if the TV and Radios would stop talking about him and if all of us simply ignored him, chances are he will be forgotten in no time! Let's move on with our problems and our lives, shall we, let's solve our country's problems and sicknesses and forget about people like him, they are not worth our time and worries.
Comment 163
Nordic observer date : 12/04/2009 time : 19:14
date : 12/04/2009 time : 19:14
As an observer from a country based on the rule of law and justice, it seems to me that Thaksin was legally elected but illegally deposed by mob action at the behest of his enemies. Thaksin was run out of his country and persecuted in the courts in absentia at the urging of his powerful enemies. Such behavior is political corruption at its worst.
The Red Shirts clearly feel the injustice that has been done and realise his replacements are incompetent leaders. Although not perfect Thaksin is a leader. He introduced needed reforms. It seems the tide is now changing in his favor. Hopefully justice will prevail and he will be able to return to his country to restore its credibility at home and abroad it has now lost.
The Red Shirts clearly feel the injustice that has been done and realise his replacements are incompetent leaders. Although not perfect Thaksin is a leader. He introduced needed reforms. It seems the tide is now changing in his favor. Hopefully justice will prevail and he will be able to return to his country to restore its credibility at home and abroad it has now lost.
Comment 164
pinoy date : 12/04/2009 time : 20:42
The man "goh" is chinee man. He says don't put Thaksin in a corner. This is chinaman sheep culture. Thaksin only exists and can do red shirts because last governments for three year did nothing to stop. Travel freely, twice skip bail, still allowed to keep passport. Hotel for Asean can easily be protected but was not. Because of two headed snakes.
Comment 165
Cal date : 12/04/2009 time : 23:34
Democracy depends on the rule of law. All are equal before the law. The people elect representatives to make the laws and all (including armed forces, royalty and politicians) are subject to the law of the people. If the laws are just, no one should be afraid to face the justice system of their nation. Mob rule is not democracy.
Comment 166
Sue date : 13/04/2009 time : 06:50
date : 13/04/2009 time : 06:50
It must surely be within the Prime Minister's power to stop Thaksin's "Talk-ins" which are causing all the problems. Am I wrong in believing that Thaksin can be linked to the border problems with Cambodia because of alleged financial interests in that area and, also that he is linked to the sudden invasion by Tesco-Lotus through his business dealings with the Lotus side of the company. I have never seen these issues being discussed by Government or media.
Comment 167
Hanno date : 13/04/2009 time : 08:12
date : 13/04/2009 time : 08:12
I doesn`t matter what party supporter you are, Red or Yellow who cares. It matters what you do! Yellow block the
airport! Succesful? Yes, but with what result? Force creates anti-force so now Red burn Bangkok! Successful? We
will see. What will be the next step dear Thai People? Shoot each other in a major civil war? Thaksin sits somewhere
and claims to be a democratic leader. Why does he not come to the country which he "loves" and wants to govern and first of all takes over responsibilty for his doings even it means to go to prison - by the way like every Thai has to do if he was punished by the law. How long was it? Two years. Well may be he better speaks to Nelson Mandela or Aung San Suu Kyi who spent longer time in prison for their beliefs instead of indoctrinate people by video who right now make the dirty job for him and destroy the values of Thailand especially it's young democracy. People of Thailand don`t let a minority remote-controlled and uneducated people make deep scratches in the face of Thailand
and destroy your young democracy.If this situation deteriorates something more valuable will be destroyed! The
admirable work of His Majesty the King who in his whole life tried to teach you moral and ethic values.
Pom Rak Thailand! For the time being I feel ashamed for you.
Comment 168
Win date : 13/04/2009 time : 09:52
date : 13/04/2009 time : 09:52
I have followed Thai politics for 20 years very closely and remember all major events in Thai politics during the period. I myself witness how Toxin poisons Thai democracy by vote buying, and by manipulating Thai government infrastructure for own benefit. His ego is beyond his own control. He use populist policies to promote himself and mobilize under-privilege poor farmers from north and east. If he is sincere to his own people, why avoid taxes for billions Baht and have illegal business. People who knows all about Toxin can write dozens book on his tactics how he cheated people and Thai democracy. Those making comments in defense of Toxin do not really know how he treats Thailand as his own property. Those well educated Thais mostly in Bangkok and the south know very well.
It is time for Toxin to be totally purged from Thai politics, other wise Thailand will continue to suffer.
It is time for Toxin to be totally purged from Thai politics, other wise Thailand will continue to suffer.
Comment 169
wit date : 13/04/2009 time : 10:00
date : 13/04/2009 time : 10:00
The political injustice towards Thaksin at the first place brings down the real notion of democracy and that of the respect of the democratic idealism. If pulling someone from his seat by using force not by a general election of preference, democracy always lost its nature. Who can you blame? if you act against someone or something, it must be at least an reaction...once you don't play by the rule then the rule cannot be re-enforced.
Comment 170
Siwadon date : 13/04/2009 time : 12:02
date : 13/04/2009 time : 12:02
Why Why, WHY are Thai people blind to the fact that Thaksin has bleed the Country nearly dry and now wants to come back for the rest of the money he could'nt take out before, frozen in accounts in Switzerland and other offshore accounts, until he faces his corruption charges in Thailand.
Pleae do not let Him manipulate you anymore, after all how can a Policeman 7-8 years acru Billions of Bhat in a short time, ask yourself the question.!!??? Can you trust Him.?????
Pleae do not let Him manipulate you anymore, after all how can a Policeman 7-8 years acru Billions of Bhat in a short time, ask yourself the question.!!??? Can you trust Him.?????
Comment 171
Joergen date : 13/04/2009 time : 14:58
Comment 7 by Ray says: "...He decided that if he supported farmers in certain regions, then they could grow crops to eat, rather than drugs to destroy people.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital..."
No, this is propaganda, a misrepresentation. That's not what upset the elite in the capital. In fact, most of the elite in the capital were Thaksin supporters who welcomed Thaksin's new ideas when he first came to power in the year 2000.
The "elite" are a small part of who became resistant over time. The revolt included most of the educated class, the middle class and many other groups. Nobody has ever polarised Thailand in all history like Thaksin.
Why? The immense corruption, obliteration of the checks and balances system, disregard for the law and regulations, and his ability to use his extreme wealth to bribe his way as he went.
He got the most for his money from the poor and low educated, whose votes brought him into office. That was his main focus. It's good to get the votes of the poor and give them help. OTOP is great. Universal health care is OK. However, Thaksin abused this voting power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He had about 75% of parliament on his side, but his 80 billion baht tax free sale of his telecoms company to a foreign entity (also illegal) was the last straw, causing even his own party members to started defecting, so he dissolved parliament even though it was 75% his own party!
With another 80 billion baht, he could easily buy a new parliament of even more corrupt cronies.
Then there was the election commission corruption in his favor for the next election, which put top election commissioners into jail before the coup, and nullifed the election.
Thailand was not functioning by the rule of the law. It was the rule of Thaksin's money.
And Thaksin was heading Thailand into civil war already.
And remember when top lawyers of Thaksin were caught red handed trying to bribe the court with a box of 2 million baht in cash?
This is the main argument of Thaksin propaganda: "...He decided that if he supported farmers in certain regions, then they could grow crops to eat, rather than drugs to destroy people.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital..."
Very simple, very wrong, and very misleading to foreigners new to the Thailand news.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital..."
No, this is propaganda, a misrepresentation. That's not what upset the elite in the capital. In fact, most of the elite in the capital were Thaksin supporters who welcomed Thaksin's new ideas when he first came to power in the year 2000.
The "elite" are a small part of who became resistant over time. The revolt included most of the educated class, the middle class and many other groups. Nobody has ever polarised Thailand in all history like Thaksin.
Why? The immense corruption, obliteration of the checks and balances system, disregard for the law and regulations, and his ability to use his extreme wealth to bribe his way as he went.
He got the most for his money from the poor and low educated, whose votes brought him into office. That was his main focus. It's good to get the votes of the poor and give them help. OTOP is great. Universal health care is OK. However, Thaksin abused this voting power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He had about 75% of parliament on his side, but his 80 billion baht tax free sale of his telecoms company to a foreign entity (also illegal) was the last straw, causing even his own party members to started defecting, so he dissolved parliament even though it was 75% his own party!
With another 80 billion baht, he could easily buy a new parliament of even more corrupt cronies.
Then there was the election commission corruption in his favor for the next election, which put top election commissioners into jail before the coup, and nullifed the election.
Thailand was not functioning by the rule of the law. It was the rule of Thaksin's money.
And Thaksin was heading Thailand into civil war already.
And remember when top lawyers of Thaksin were caught red handed trying to bribe the court with a box of 2 million baht in cash?
This is the main argument of Thaksin propaganda: "...He decided that if he supported farmers in certain regions, then they could grow crops to eat, rather than drugs to destroy people.
This investment in the people really upset the elite in the capital..."
Very simple, very wrong, and very misleading to foreigners new to the Thailand news.
Comment 172
M_E_ date : 13/04/2009 time : 17:07
The whole country has suffered because of this damn .....? Why does he have such an honour??Thaksin's always been a businessman, always looked after himself, only cared about himself. He doesn't care about the country. I must say he is such a hideous selfish son..... alive and I wish him go to h... and stay there forever.
Comment 173
Mixilou date : 13/04/2009 time : 20:54
date : 13/04/2009 time : 20:54
Mr T-sin is shopping and having dinner and having a good time in Dubai and Bkk is burning. He doesn't look like he is thinking of all things happening in Bkk.
Comment 174
foreign correspondant date : 13/04/2009 time : 21:59
date : 13/04/2009 time : 21:59
Politicians are always after their own interest first. This goes for the prime minister as well as Thaksin. However one of the primary rules of democracy is that majority wins. When Bangkok elite defended their interest by ousting democratically elected leaders and placing their "own man" on seat, what can we expect but unrest. Let Thaksin take his chances on free elections, and may the best or rather most popular man win!
Comment 175
David date : 14/04/2009 time : 00:10
date : 14/04/2009 time : 00:10
Comment 38 - Having lived in a democracy my whole life, I do believe that many of us farang do have a better grasp of what a democracy is, and what it is not. Democracy is not simply the majority votes rule - it is with the protection of the minority so mob rule does not reign. Demoracy is limited and distributed power with checks and balances so no one person or party wields too much power. And Democracy is about the peaceful transfer of power from one regime to the next.. It's never about one person believing they're the solution for everything. Thaksin had his time. He abused his office for his own political gain and sought to undo the checks on his power. Thaksin calling for a revolution sounds a lot like treason. He's not thinking about Thailand's best interests, he's thinking about himself and settling old scores.
Comment 176
tikhy date : 14/04/2009 time : 00:30
Anyone who encourages violence for her/his political gains, like Thaksin, is far from a fitted leader in the democratic society especially in our progressive 21st century toward peace.
Comment 177
khun sao jai date : 14/04/2009 time : 03:57
date : 14/04/2009 time : 03:57
I am saddened by the events in Thailand; my second home. Like any people the Thais will decide their destiny, be that a democratic constitutional monachy or some type of oligarchy. But the solution will be Thai, not Chinese, farang or anything else. My hope is the best aspects of Thai life will be preserved and a system of peaceful succession organised that maintains love of king, buddhism, country and family and that the men who hope for power understand the primacy of these things and their ultimate unimportance.
Comment 178
Rora date : 14/04/2009 time : 06:30
date : 14/04/2009 time : 06:30
For the sake of this country.Shame on you ,This is insane.
Comment 179
Ha Nid Nid date : 14/04/2009 time : 08:45
date : 14/04/2009 time : 08:45
Wouldn't people with the right mind see how this guy want to destroy the country where he no longer belongs to? Obviously, his supporters wouldn't!!!
Unconvincingly broke, he still can afford paying some red-shirt supporters 2000-3000 baht a day!!!
As a foreigner, it's odd (honestly, not that odd though) to see how stupid you Thais are. Accepting a few thousand baht from his staff and causing trouble to their own country, the country they call "home".
Even more interesting, all his families left the country and stay safe and sound somewhere else. Thaksin is indeed intelligent and well-presented to exploit poor + stupid people to die for him.
Should I say these people deserve what they got? Nah, that's far too mean. They are just stupid or, to be more polite, probably brainwashed.
One good thing from this situation, tourists and investors will prefer to come to my country than Thailand. Great!!! ;)
Unconvincingly broke, he still can afford paying some red-shirt supporters 2000-3000 baht a day!!!
As a foreigner, it's odd (honestly, not that odd though) to see how stupid you Thais are. Accepting a few thousand baht from his staff and causing trouble to their own country, the country they call "home".
Even more interesting, all his families left the country and stay safe and sound somewhere else. Thaksin is indeed intelligent and well-presented to exploit poor + stupid people to die for him.
Should I say these people deserve what they got? Nah, that's far too mean. They are just stupid or, to be more polite, probably brainwashed.
One good thing from this situation, tourists and investors will prefer to come to my country than Thailand. Great!!! ;)
Comment 180
The Truth date : 14/04/2009 time : 09:18
date : 14/04/2009 time : 09:18
This topic has been beaten to death. Can we get on with our lives without you, Veera, gossiping like an old lady with no future and nothing to do?
Comment 181
Siwadon date : 14/04/2009 time : 09:24
date : 14/04/2009 time : 09:24
Before the Red protesters leave they should clean up all their mess and damage, or make any arrested Red members to help clean up the Country they love so Much.!!!!
Comment 182
LOBO13 date : 14/04/2009 time : 13:55
date : 14/04/2009 time : 13:55
inflated EGO T.S. if the people you talked about trying to Kill you, If they Really wanted you Dead you would Be Dead, the fact is you no longer Matter
Comment 183
someone date : 14/04/2009 time : 17:37
date : 14/04/2009 time : 17:37
Everybody needs to clam down. It'll take time. Why doesn't everyone give yourself a break and think about what we are doing . Look at our country. It used to be a very peaceful country . It used to be called the Land of Smile. Now people around the world actually say that they keep away from our country.. It is time to do something for our country not for yourself...
Comment 184
sk date : 14/04/2009 time : 18:05
date : 14/04/2009 time : 18:05
As I political scientist and Westerner, I think #38 (ST) makes excellent points.
Comment 185
Doug Johnson date : 14/04/2009 time : 19:42
If Toxin (misspelling intended) cared about Thailand, he would not be such a spineless coward. Come out of hiding and stand like a man!
The king has a pure heart and loves his people - this is true.
The king has a pure heart and loves his people - this is true.
Comment 186
someone date : 14/04/2009 time : 20:57
date : 14/04/2009 time : 20:57
I agree with comment 38.. excellent explanation !!!!
Comment 187
david date : 15/04/2009 time : 03:03
date : 15/04/2009 time : 03:03
Poor old Ray and his fairy tale.(comment 7) It's just wrong.
Thanks to Thaksin for revealing the names of the coup planners. If he could be so kind as to provide a smidgen of evidence the nation could proceed with the medal presentation for these national heroes.
It's obvious someone planned the coup as it was an outstanding success with no blood spilt. This kind of success needs complete planning with a view to not only win but with paramount concern to protect the lives of all concerned.
National heroes I say.
Thanks to Thaksin for revealing the names of the coup planners. If he could be so kind as to provide a smidgen of evidence the nation could proceed with the medal presentation for these national heroes.
It's obvious someone planned the coup as it was an outstanding success with no blood spilt. This kind of success needs complete planning with a view to not only win but with paramount concern to protect the lives of all concerned.
National heroes I say.
Comment 188
Lb1 date : 15/04/2009 time : 06:10
date : 15/04/2009 time : 06:10
Let's not forget his debut onto the political scene within the Chavalit government.Wasn't he the man who was going to cure Bangkok's traffic woes within 6 months.
What a shame,he could have been the greatest PM ever considering he didn't need any more money but NO the cookie jar was just too tempting.
The poor need equality and rights,but Thaksin is only using them for his own gain.The rich need their power taken away (what sad world we live in when everything isa judged by wealth).
Abhisit was meant to be the new beginning of Thailand with young fresh ideas,unfortunately his balls have yet to drop.
Don't worry Thailand its going to be a ruff ride but you'll get through it and its not only you - world politics are a joke.Its no longer about people its about money whichever country you are in.When are any of us going to be able to look at our respective governments and feel we are been taken care of and our vote actually did count.
The revolution will be televised.
What a shame,he could have been the greatest PM ever considering he didn't need any more money but NO the cookie jar was just too tempting.
The poor need equality and rights,but Thaksin is only using them for his own gain.The rich need their power taken away (what sad world we live in when everything isa judged by wealth).
Abhisit was meant to be the new beginning of Thailand with young fresh ideas,unfortunately his balls have yet to drop.
Don't worry Thailand its going to be a ruff ride but you'll get through it and its not only you - world politics are a joke.Its no longer about people its about money whichever country you are in.When are any of us going to be able to look at our respective governments and feel we are been taken care of and our vote actually did count.
The revolution will be televised.
Comment 189
Eddy Boehm date : 15/04/2009 time : 15:10
date : 15/04/2009 time : 15:10
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. Thaksin...to lead an uninstructed people to war is to throw them away...SHAME on you !!
Comment 190
John date : 16/04/2009 time : 01:48
date : 16/04/2009 time : 01:48
Comment 24: I could spend all day bashing the OPINIONS here, but you have it EXACTLY RIGHT. What a cluster-F__K. Just wash it away and start new. But that is too simple, especially for Thai people, I'm sorry to say.
The article says Thaksin goes for broke. If he did so, he lost tragically. He repeatedly urged his red shirts in his phone ins to fight the government until it collapses. He even incited rebellion. He refused talk for reconciliation and even gave a deadline for the government to resign. He said he was returning to Thailand to lead the fight. Yet, where was he all the time? Even his "divorced" wife and children fled Thailand. His sister called it a long delayed vacation by reason of death of one of the sisters. Yet his sisters, after using the name of the dead in vain, fled Thailand themselves. Then when Thaksin saw his inevitable defeat, he called on the King to interfere. In a CNN television interview, he said hundreds were killed by Thai troops. What was his proof? Did he personally witness it? Or was it a product of his imagination while he and his family were getting "high and drunk" in six-star hotels as the Thais were fighting each other? Indeed a Machiavellian "Divide and conquer" strategy. Does he not realize that the only deaths were the people killed by his own red shirts? And the victims were killed because they were tired of the red shirts abuse. It was easy for Thaksin to make sweeping accusation because 3,000 Thais were killed in his campaign against the Muslims and "suspected" drug dealers when he was Prime Minister.
Thaksin's red shirts profess themselves to be advocates of democracy and against dictatorship. Yet, what did they prove in their actions and arrogance? What will they practice if and when Thaksin ever gets back in power? Beware of Thaksin's forked tounge.
As a reader of political and behavioral science and history, I am amazed at how the Thais always get through any crisis without foreign help or intervention. This may change if Thaksin gets his way. For all you know, he may be buying arms and recruiting mercenaries and terrorists abroad. Not impossible for a man desperate to own Thailand and the Thais.
Thaksin's red shirts profess themselves to be advocates of democracy and against dictatorship. Yet, what did they prove in their actions and arrogance? What will they practice if and when Thaksin ever gets back in power? Beware of Thaksin's forked tounge.
As a reader of political and behavioral science and history, I am amazed at how the Thais always get through any crisis without foreign help or intervention. This may change if Thaksin gets his way. For all you know, he may be buying arms and recruiting mercenaries and terrorists abroad. Not impossible for a man desperate to own Thailand and the Thais.
Comment 192
White Shirt date : 16/04/2009 time : 04:41
date : 16/04/2009 time : 04:41
Mr.Toxin should stop!. He should not do anything with Thailand for himself. Red burn Bangkok is under his response. Please make Thailand return to smile country.
Comment 193
The Whistle Blower date : 16/04/2009 time : 11:46
date : 16/04/2009 time : 11:46
Unfortunately discord is not over in Thailand as blatant corruption and successive amnesties that protects these corrupt officials and parliamentarians are the main causes of social inequality and popular discontent and then we hit the bottom of the Thai problem.
Comment 194
Peter date : 16/04/2009 time : 17:04
date : 16/04/2009 time : 17:04
Hitler did win the elections and after that, nobody stopped him in his undcountable unlegal actions.
Thaksin did win the elections, but brave Thai people succeded to stop him in time.
Thailand , you can be proud of such people.
Thaksin did win the elections, but brave Thai people succeded to stop him in time.
Thailand , you can be proud of such people.
Comment 195
Praewa date : 17/04/2009 time : 09:26
date : 17/04/2009 time : 09:26
Why are foreigners commenting on our political issues?
Personally, having read so much ignorant, over-bloated, egotistical, half-assed comments by non-Thais and foreigners outside Thailand in BBC and here for so long I'VE. HAD. ENOUGH.
You do not know the complexity of Thailand's political situation. You do not know the full extent of Thaksin and his crimes on not just corruption, but human rights abuses, igniting more fury in the South, suppression of media, not paying taxes, and more.
Don't comment and judge things you don't know. I don't mind if you've attempted research, but over half the things I've read here from non-Thais you seem to base your comments...yourselves really. No referencing, no understanding, just, YOU. Why does everything you seem to comment on based on YOUR country, YOUR background, YOUR government etc.? Why is it so simplistic, naiive? And because of this, why am I not surprised that some of your comments do not reflect the full spectrum of the heart of the problem in my eyes at all, as a Thai citizen and as an educated individual?
If there is one thing I've noticed on this website and many more english speaking newspaper sites, its that you foreigners like to speak of this issue before you think. You make yourselves sound so smart...but where is your backup evidence, apart from what you've seen and heard on those generic cable news like CNN or BBC...or perhaps even here, Bangkok Post? Why do I not see proper logic, insight, compassion, and analytical judgment by SO MUCH OF YOU, when this should be your thought process before you give your response?
And is everything right now turned wrong based on the judgment of written laws or ideological beliefs of a particular system, religious or political, or philosophical or whatever? I'm referring to comments about the 2006 coup especially. Have you people lost sense of real RIGHT AND WRONG and COMMON SENSE?
To be honest, I'm glad for the 2006 coup, despite how elitist it is, despite how military it is, despite how undemocratic it is, despite how it is a cycle of Thailand's never-ending involvement of military and government (which I'm also sick of, don't get me wrong).
Because if you knew what the majority of educated Thais know about Thaksin, it would come to no surprise to you that if Thaksin stayed in power he would have sold out the whole country, making Thailand broke and incapable, both fiscally and morally in the long run, even before the words 'education', 'society reform' and 'human rights' (the root of Thailand's problems) would even pop up from anyone's lips.
And the only people gaining from this is himself, his family, and possibly Singapore, you know, the country he sold half the shares of OUR COMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE to. Nowhere do I see Thailand benefitting in this at all.
Poor people appear to get richer under his government, but their money was handed to them by Thaksin's government with absolutely no planning on its distribution...and what do the poor use the gov./TAXPAYERS money for? Mobile phones, motorcycles, status. And once the money is used up, they become in debt, unable to pay off the money the government has lent to them. I don't see how Thaksin's method of handing out funds could benefit them in the first place. Nor do I know how could it have benefitted the rest of the population, like my parents, the taxpayers of the Thai nation, unlike Thaksin, who has found legal ways to avoid his taxes.
I would trade Thaksin's government for an alternative government any day. At least I would know that for now, an alternative government would have much less capability of uprooting my country and ripping out it's values to shreds while wearing the mask of a charitable man.
My opinion is based on various sources, both biased and unbiased, and have been placed under careful consideration. SO SHOULD YOURS.
Personally, having read so much ignorant, over-bloated, egotistical, half-assed comments by non-Thais and foreigners outside Thailand in BBC and here for so long I'VE. HAD. ENOUGH.
You do not know the complexity of Thailand's political situation. You do not know the full extent of Thaksin and his crimes on not just corruption, but human rights abuses, igniting more fury in the South, suppression of media, not paying taxes, and more.
Don't comment and judge things you don't know. I don't mind if you've attempted research, but over half the things I've read here from non-Thais you seem to base your comments...yourselves really. No referencing, no understanding, just, YOU. Why does everything you seem to comment on based on YOUR country, YOUR background, YOUR government etc.? Why is it so simplistic, naiive? And because of this, why am I not surprised that some of your comments do not reflect the full spectrum of the heart of the problem in my eyes at all, as a Thai citizen and as an educated individual?
If there is one thing I've noticed on this website and many more english speaking newspaper sites, its that you foreigners like to speak of this issue before you think. You make yourselves sound so smart...but where is your backup evidence, apart from what you've seen and heard on those generic cable news like CNN or BBC...or perhaps even here, Bangkok Post? Why do I not see proper logic, insight, compassion, and analytical judgment by SO MUCH OF YOU, when this should be your thought process before you give your response?
And is everything right now turned wrong based on the judgment of written laws or ideological beliefs of a particular system, religious or political, or philosophical or whatever? I'm referring to comments about the 2006 coup especially. Have you people lost sense of real RIGHT AND WRONG and COMMON SENSE?
To be honest, I'm glad for the 2006 coup, despite how elitist it is, despite how military it is, despite how undemocratic it is, despite how it is a cycle of Thailand's never-ending involvement of military and government (which I'm also sick of, don't get me wrong).
Because if you knew what the majority of educated Thais know about Thaksin, it would come to no surprise to you that if Thaksin stayed in power he would have sold out the whole country, making Thailand broke and incapable, both fiscally and morally in the long run, even before the words 'education', 'society reform' and 'human rights' (the root of Thailand's problems) would even pop up from anyone's lips.
And the only people gaining from this is himself, his family, and possibly Singapore, you know, the country he sold half the shares of OUR COMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE to. Nowhere do I see Thailand benefitting in this at all.
Poor people appear to get richer under his government, but their money was handed to them by Thaksin's government with absolutely no planning on its distribution...and what do the poor use the gov./TAXPAYERS money for? Mobile phones, motorcycles, status. And once the money is used up, they become in debt, unable to pay off the money the government has lent to them. I don't see how Thaksin's method of handing out funds could benefit them in the first place. Nor do I know how could it have benefitted the rest of the population, like my parents, the taxpayers of the Thai nation, unlike Thaksin, who has found legal ways to avoid his taxes.
I would trade Thaksin's government for an alternative government any day. At least I would know that for now, an alternative government would have much less capability of uprooting my country and ripping out it's values to shreds while wearing the mask of a charitable man.
My opinion is based on various sources, both biased and unbiased, and have been placed under careful consideration. SO SHOULD YOURS.
So much things said but where lies the truth? I think you are a bit out of your mind Comment 47. It was Khun Chuan who has guided Thailand through the financial trouble of 1997 and brought back Thailand to be honored by the World Bank and other Countries. And not Taksin as you mention. Taksin has founded Thai Ruck Thai out of the shock he and his other wealthy Friends have faced when the Baht was going ashtray in 1997 and all they did was using the Years of Taksin being PM to fill their own pockets and Bank accounts. And what did they use for it? Of course money they have stolen from the vaults of the Country. My beloved Thais wake up and get rid of your Face Gohock and look at the reality as it is and not as you believe it should be. The Leadership of Khun Chuan has brought back financial credit to Thailand, but for you the Thai People it was to slow, you want anything at once and today without realizing that everything needs time to grow and prosper. Also face that you are not alone on this Planet, we are all facing the same situation and we have to go through it. If you get it right in your mind you should realize that Taksin has achieved what nobody else has done before - he has split the Thais in two opposed corners. And you as a society are living now on a Powder kegg which can explode at any time and it will alone your mistake. This time you will not be able to put the blame on the Farangs, you did it all by yourself. And maybe you may realize it once your Country lies in ruins and ruled by terrorists who claim that they are for democracy. Taksin are not better than Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, or Bush. All where talking about the People and all where working against them! My beloved Thais, it is now in your hands to set a new Agenda, where Justice is equal for all. Education and knowledge the Basics of your life and a constitution who can not be changed by the will of the present Leader to his personal benefit and his cronies. As long as you can be bought for a few Baht which then be transformed in to Lao Kao you just prostitute yourself and you are a disgrace to your great King and his doings. If you really love your King as you are always claim you would not have acted the you have acted, no matter what Color you take on. As long as your Heart is dark there will be no chance within yourself nor your Country. I can leave the Country at any time with my Thai wife and it will be happen if you not get up and take responsibility for your own action, as an individual and as a whole Nation. Instead of acting like a Kindergarten!
Comment 198
nicholas sanders date : 17/04/2009 time : 20:27
date : 17/04/2009 time : 20:27
thanskin is desperate to get back in power in thailand so he can reclaim all his assets frozen by the thai government so by inciting trouble in bangkok he hopes to claim back power and clean up for himself and is using his red shirted supports to do his dirty work. proves he is both a liar and a crook as thais will suffer in the long run the more trouble there is as tourists wont travel there if it is unstable and not safe for them
Comment 199
nicholas sanders date : 17/04/2009 time : 20:39
date : 17/04/2009 time : 20:39
thaksin only cares about himself and not about the thai people otherwise he would not be interfering in the political situation right now. if he is claim to be inocent of all the charges brought by the thai govenment against him why is hiding abroad
Comment 200
Ranjani date : 18/04/2009 time : 09:30
date : 18/04/2009 time : 09:30
I am a foreigner and travel quite often to Thailand as my brother-in-law is a Thai national.
Definitely I am not a keen follower of the world politics but maybe because of this personal relationship with Thailand, I am very upset & disappointed with the current crisis that the nation is facing.
I always find that the people here are very friendly, simple in livelihood & helpful. I was in Bangkok in December last year, and was very impressed to see policemen standing under the hot sun with their megawatt smile, distributing ice coffee to the drivers, exhorting them not to drink alcohol if they want to drive. That never happens in my country.
The current unrest has prompted me to ask if it is due to the simplicity nature that people are confused and cannot think rationally. I am not here to criticise or condemn any political party. Instead, I am hoping that the Thai can be more rational, united for the welfare of all and move on as a nation.
I personally think that if a government is righteous and have the interest of the people at heart it will benefit both the ruler & the ruled. On the other hand, people should give the government an opportunity and sufficient time to implement new policies to improve the welfare and economic of the country.
How many times has Thailand changed the Prime Minister in the past 1 year? I have lost count. All I know is that none of them has taken over the office for more than 6 months. Can you expect miracles within that short time? Mind you, they are not God.
I am not sure if Mr. Abhisit is a good leader but at least he has treated everyone, be it 'Red or Yellow Shirt', as Thai. He is trying very hard to minimise harm and disharmony. Given the current conflict and economic downturn, he should be given more time to show his capability to rehabilitate the country.
I have no hard feelings towards Mr. Thaksin. If he has conscience in all his deeds he should be brave to come back and face the trial on corruption charges including charges of graft. I'm sure he will be given the vindication. If he sincerely cares for the welfare of the nation, he should stop inciting further violence as that will tarnish his image and peronality further.
The world is already in a mess with the global economic crisis and terrorists. Why do you still want to stoke on it and fight among yourself? There are some good principles that exist in both groups of protesters, and merging them instead of continuing to butt heads is the only way forward.
Hope to see Thailand restores peace and harmony real soon.
Ranjani
Comment 201
nath nary date : 19/04/2009 time : 06:37
date : 19/04/2009 time : 06:37
I know that more than 50% of the Thai people are in favour of Mr. Taksin but there is some sort of super power hiding in Thailand who don't like his popularity so overthown him in 2006. I know that the day of that super power center is coming to an end sooner or later as like that recently in a small nation of South Asia.
Comment 202
baldy farang in Bangkok date : 21/04/2009 time : 13:31
date : 21/04/2009 time : 13:31
Responding to: "To all foreigners, you guys always want us to listen to you by giving your comments which you think the best, since it is viewed from outside Thailand. I want to ask you one thing. How can you know better than Thais? Do you think that Thais are that stupid? You always act like you are better than us. I think you'd better concentrate on your own country. We are Thai. We love the king. Do you love the king like we do? Do you almost cry when you see the king in person? Are you willing to kiss the king's shoe when he walks pass by you?"
I adore your King who I also see as my King. I well up with tears at the movies when the national anthem plays and I stand more to attention in respect than many Thais - so please stop your silly racist comments - many of us love your King more than many red shirts appear to do!
I adore your King who I also see as my King. I well up with tears at the movies when the national anthem plays and I stand more to attention in respect than many Thais - so please stop your silly racist comments - many of us love your King more than many red shirts appear to do!
Comment 203
Singhnoi date : 24/04/2009 time : 02:43
date : 24/04/2009 time : 02:43
Thug-Sin should be allowed to reside in UAE and UAE alone so his piggy bank will run dry quickly.
Other choices will be Zimbabwe, Somalia, Suda etc....Singhnoi
Other choices will be Zimbabwe, Somalia, Suda etc....Singhnoi
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roger boynton date : 17/08/2009 time : 07:37
In my opinion the whole shinawtara clan is corrupt and as such shold be jailed for as yet to be determened amount of time.thaksin for all of his crimes, amny of which he yet to face3 justice should be sent to prison for the rest of his natural life. His children wrote a book called some call him pm but we3 call him dad. it should be ..some call him corrupt,a thief, and a murderer but we call him dad.
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There's such a thing called "Retribution of Sins".