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Stop hunting for 'foreign' scapegoats
It is one thing to nurse concern for small-scale farmers. It is another thing, however, to make foreigners the scapegoats.
For the so-called backbone of the country, the lack of farmland indeed poses a serious problem to Thai farmers, who are also struggling with indebtedness from the high cost of farm investment amid chronically low prices, while their once fertile soil is rapidly dying due to intensive chemical farming. Should we focus on the root of their problems instead of resorting to xenophobia?
While this story is going nowhere, reportedly due to the farmers' fear to talk, the latest news angle focuses on the foreign husbands of Thai women who, through their wives, are buying up farmland in scenic areas in order to build resorts.
Yes, we should be concerned about the farmers' rapid loss of land. But aren't we pointing the finger in the wrong direction?
When the government launched the Green Revolution 40 years ago with an aim to make Thailand the world's biggest rice exporter, every farmer dreamed that the high-yield rice varieties and chemical rice farming would make them prosperous for good.No one knew that they would soon suffer from frequent pestilence as a result of mono-culture farming and a losing business. How could they survive when fluctuating rice prices in the world market just could not keep up with the skyrocketing prices of farm chemicals?
While the farmers wilt, intensive chemical farming destroys soil fertility, contaminates the waterways, causes various illnesses from chemical residue in the food chain, or simply maims and kills farmers from prolonged over-exposure to hazardous chemicals.
And now when the farmers feel they know better and are trying to switch to organic farming and herbal pesticides, guess who are their main opponents? Who else but the farm chemical giants - and our very own agricultural authorities.
Remember their efforts to list such medicinal herbs that are widely used for herbal pesticides as "hazardous" and thus subject to tight control? Guess why.
Amid the losing business of rice farming, many farmers decided to sell their land to speculators under rising demand from the tourism industry and the urban middle class' need for holiday homes. For those who wanted to keep the land, many experimented with contract farming with big business, only to find themselves in the same trap of chemical farming and empty promises.
Out of familial gratitude, many daughters of poor farmers entered the sex trade to support their families. Many are severely exploited. Many have died from work-related sicknesses. But some, too, found love and security through marrying foreigners. They set up families and started doing business, as all couples do. We should be happy for them, shouldn't we? Why should we harass them with this proxy land ownership fervour?
Is it because it is much easier to hassle them than take to task the big investors, Thai and foreign, who are paying the land officials big time to get prime resort locations illegally?
Or is it because they prefer to turn a blind eye to the inequitable land ownership system, knowing that the politically powerful landlords are here to stay, regardless of their political colours?
Have some guts. Deal with destructive farming. Deal with big landlords. Deal with corrupt officials.
If the government cannot address the real cause of landlessness, leave those women who now have a life with their foreign spouses alone.
Perhaps a lesson can be learned from,of all places Indonesia where a profound effort is being made to stamp out both corruption and cronyism.
Blaming foreigners for the problem is quite frankly pathetic.
Large farming cooperations, have taken over the American Farms. Good bad I don't know. There is no food shortage there so that asepect is good. Small farms could not survive in competition world of huge opeartions. that is what Thailand competes with. Lot of rice grown in the dealta region of Sacremento California. All by corporatations
Bad because a tradition has been lost. But, the question in my mind is can these framers make enough money for the family to survive with such small parcels of land?
The second question in mind is why are we only talking about foriegners. Didn't the Thai's break the law when they sold the property?
Are they not equally reponsilble. One thing to keep in mind as Non O immigrants are activities are very restricted here. We have worked all our lives we need things to do as much as the next person. Or we will be another drunk on a bar stool. I don't think Thailand needs anymore of those.
Most of us who qaulify financaily for visas, can't earn the money we need with a ten rai farm. So it is hobby farming for most, in the end they dont make money anymore then the Thai farmers do.
They are not the problem just let them lives their in peace.
Me I don't have the problem because I do motorcycle touring and this is a wonderful country to explore. But, not every can or wants to do that.
You know I would be happy to volunteer in my community I can't I will never get a work permit. I'm just an average foriegner and there is lot of talent that has come here to love this land and it's people.
It's not about money for most it's about being busy. This is just a diversion from the real problems Thailand farmers face.
• Discussion 11 : 13/08/2009 at 09:33 AM11
Independent Thai.
You’ve commented that there are the rich and privileged elite people in Thailand have brought the lands from the poor farmers and then leased the land back to the farmers. This is very true.
I’ve heard of a lady in my province in Isaan who married to a Farang and now she owned most of the lands in her village. She have had buy up most of the lands there. Whenever her neighbours or people near her village are in financial problems and in need of money, her farang husband will advise her to approach them to offer helps by buying over their lands. Some of her neighbours are so desperately in need of money and got no other way out sold their lands to them. These poor farmers with no more land now are renting lands from the farang and his wife to do farming, which the lands initially belonged to them. Now they are like slaves in their own lands. Really pity and I believe there are many cases like this in the upcountry.
Nobody should be allowed to own more than 50 rai. Is it enough to live on? My father own 48 rai and he raised 9 children with that.
Now for mechanized farming to raise efficiency to compete with, say, Vietnam, the goverment who own most of the land can rent out,say, 1000 rai to invester for 99 years. It works in Chaina, so it should work in Thailand. The more I think about it, the more I think it is a good idea.
For a Thai man, it's allowed to buy land as much as he like. For a Thai woman it's allowed to buy land as much as she like.
They can do with their property what they like to do with. No cry at all.
But if a Thai women makes the same, for some it seems to be a problem. Why??? Are they Thai 3.class? Comes from mood-they are mood?
In general they work hard in the country they live. They won't won their money!! like some Thai citycans believe. Why shouldn't they invest their money like every Thai too? When they help their families, why shouldn't they spend the money.They will get old too and than they need an income.
At least an very dangerous sentence but I think it has to be written.I hope, no one will think wrong.
The boundary between a nationalist ( in a good meaning) an a racist is very,very small. Take award of this!!
Greetings from Munich
( I like to stay in Thailand)
the continued recycling of these stereotypes helps no one other than those wishing to maintain the status quo and further tarnishes the reputation of thailand abroard .
i am in a serious relationship with a lovely , hard working and industrious , thai lady and i would like nothing better than to liquidate my assets in my home country , move to thailand and build a prosperous future for my new family there . under current regulations , this is little more than a fantasy .
we will probably end up living in australia , returning to thailand only for occasional visits and possibly for retirement. how does thailand benefit from this situation?
This is a very good article and the replies are in the main very good also. It would be better for the farmers, the Enviroment and Thailand as a whole if sunstainable Organic farming was encouraged. Until there is uncorrupt people running things the status Quo is not going to change and it is a lot easier to bash the farang than look at the root of the problems faced in Thailand. The fact that most Thai's accept corruption as part of life in Thailand is part of the problem. There is no easy solution to this and I hope the Government leaves the Farang with a Thai Wife who owns a little land alone as they are not the problem. To allow a individual to own a small bit of land for a home and room for the extended family who would get it when the Farang dies would allow investment into Thailand.
By the way, maybe than we should also have a carefull look at Thailand's own acient history and how many times they concurred the neigbouring country's (vazal states called).
Small time landownership is nothing dangerous, definitely not if the foreigner is under control of his Thai lady.
If there any one want to break the rule of the law, we have to do something.
Otherwise, we may have land for Thai people any more.
Have you evre been to Thai town in Los Angles there you will find thousands of Thai's who own land operate buinesses.
Obtain dual citizenship adn maintiane their on culture.
The only problem with you position is it is one way street.
How would life be for those poeple if we were to treat those people as you treat foriegners in your Country. Apply the law but apply it to all.
Me I understood the rules I didn't violate them but it would be easy to do so. I have no intention of being a farmer.
But the way things have been it wouldn't have been hard to do. This will not change the real problems of farmers. It's a just a diversion from the real world.
(note that lend i.e...100 ThBath today and want 120 / 140 ThBath back tomorrow).
Or, other Thais (as above)that own big rice Deposits and get from Government or the Market i.e. 4/5 ThBath and pay 1/2 ThBath to the poor Thai Farmers. They are not farangs ,most of which own 2 Rai with an House built inside and want just to live there with their loved wives and Family.
Yes,really have to do something,but not use the farangs as bad people, just to cover all and continue to do their bad business. This is very bad for Thailand economy and tourism industry, not the farangs!!!!
The land departments who are transferring these deeds know exactly who is gathering land - Not Arabs, not Farangs.
Look at who runs the local "Rice/Land mortgaging business' there then is the culprit.
I currently live in Thailand. Alternating between our Bangkok condominium and her Family's Chiang Rai land/farm holdings - not large enough to be accused of exploiting fellow thais but merely a family that has been in the region for generations. Her father is a well respected elder of the area and is consistantly called upon by people wishing to give respect.
I do not work in Thailand but have done so previously and legally. Currently work outside Thailand and commute.
The current situation for us, in Thailand, is that my wife suffers the stereo-type of a "ferague's whore wife" from the BKK city thais and the scurge of being a "rural hi-so" from those NOT in the know (the fast majority) up in the province.
Solution?? We are up-rooting our family and returning to Australia. My wife, as a nationalistic Thailand loving Thai, can not wait.
It is what it is.
You see the motto Thailand is for Thai's. Why are there billions tied up on the tourist industry to get foreigners here. So is the position Thailand is for Thai's send you money and don't come.
Thailand really needs to take a serious, look at itself. Stop the slogans you dont need them. There is plenty of things for Thai people to be proud of.
As to land usage what is really best for Thailand how will it compete in the Asain and world markets. If they don't allow that foriegn money to be invested in realistic and a fair manner.
What the Thai poeple need to acccept is none of us are alone anymore we all need to help eachother.
If you don't have rice for your child are going to say no to the rice if it's provided by a foriegn owner.
Think this through the world is a very different place now for all countries not just Thailnd.
So is this position politically correct sure it is it will get votes, but it won't provide one extra grain of rice to the world. That is a part of Thailands future. You don't want your children to have that oppotunity?
Me I don't want to be a rice farmer I can't think of a harder way to be poor.
So if you want it you can have it as long a I have rice at a fair price.
Stop this witch hunt we didn't come here to take anything from you. Most of give back to Thailand as much as we can. We are not tourist we live here and we treat Thailand with the same respect any Thai does.
You know these things really make me wonder did I do the right thing coming here. I have lived here for seven years and I love my life here. Can't you just leave me and my Thai friemnds alone to live our lives in peace. When I die none of my foriegn family is coming here to take one thing from you, Thailand will inherit all that I have built here.
I don't think it is asking to much for peace and little respect.
This fear of us is really sad.
This is completly differnt thing. But. read it, it would not have happened had Thai's not helped them to do it.
As long as Thai's are willing to find those loop holes this will never stop. Now the Government is in a very bad position. They can seize the land. But, how many future investors will have any interest in Thailand.
It's not the farrang sitting his life out on a few rai of land, you need to be afraid of.
I have no idea the Government is going resolve this. But, if the foriegners are the only ones to pay the prices. That would be completly wrong. Take the Thai's to task as well.
This is Thailand again and again
It seems the people will never learn from history and of course there is always someone to blame for the bad economy, for the bad crops and the bad weather: the farang...
As long as this xenophopic society keeps its way, the land of smiles will be the land of tears in a short time..
Just a pity that this article did not make it to the front page of the website like all the other "xenophobic" articles on the topic.
i mean its a joke that my wife with my surname will get a problem if she/we want to buy a house, alot of the girls that stay with farang husband did meet them bcoz the crountry dont have a good healh care tax,pension system
This fits right in with the economic theory of distributism, which eschews corporatism in favour of the individual. Sharing of industrial equipment can be done by voluntary cooperatives to maintain some measure of industrial efficiency during this period of transition, but 50 years from now industrial competitiveness is not going to be a serious concern. With energy depletion already in full swing, the return to viability of small, independent farms that do not rely on huge volumes of oil for their operation is coming very soon.
The sad part is, people will continue finding scapegoats for the world's problems. This is not only restricted to Thailand. Foreigners will always be the prime target, when the reality is that corporatism and capitalism are simply unsuited to the coming age of energy depletion. The effects of their greed and concentration of wealth is already seen in this discussion, although few are willing to admit that it is the underlying culture of capitalism that needs to be changed. This will change in time as we all die and our children grow up in a new reality, but the next few generations are going to be painful.
I applaud Khun Sanitsuda Ekachai for writing this article and clearly pointing out that vested interests are at fault, but it is not only corruption that is causing these economic ills. It is the nature of the system we have adopted. Capitalism itself has reached the end of its life, and it is time to revolutionise the way we think about economics. We can do it voluntarily, or nature will do it for us.
It seems too late to talk about that now but Thailand's way too concerned about westerners's feeling and left our own people behind. When millions of Thai are in need of food, education and basic social wellfare, instead we are talking about Farang are not being treated fairly ??
I guess the land problem can be waited ..maybe until after the problem in lack of education for thai is solved
Come to Australia, all the senior management in foriegn companies are held by foriegn expats. In fact many Australian companies are managed by foriegners earning huge salaries (Korean, Chinese, Thai (some of my sons best friends' parents at Scots fit the bill.), Japanese, German, American, etc. you will find them all working here on salaries you could only dream of.) This is normal as Australia like Thailand is a small country and needs people with foreign experience to tap foriegn markets etc.
The real problem Thailand faces is that those who are exploiting their fellow Thai citizens distract the ignorant Chow Barn by pointing at the Farang. Meanwhile they have their snout in the trough claiming that they are acting out of nationalistic good will.
Is it a coincidence that the founder of Thai Rak (Kin) Thai party sold out the whole telecomunicaitons industry to the Singaporians, that the same man sold out Thai Airways to Malaysia (Air Asia), or that he may be involved in introducing land to middle eastern investors with whom he has been seeking policial assylum?
It all fits the bill, I have seen Thai police men supplying drugs to school kids who they then pimp and use. I have seen drug addicts returning to their home towns to escape their habbit only to be met by the local police who inform them that they will be selling for them now. I have seen Thai money lenders taking posession of widows land. I have seen a Buddhist priest advising relatives that he had found a job for their orphaned neice in a "Japanese Restraunt in Bangkok" where she could learn English and earn good money. What's more she won't need her mother's life insurance payout nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
Nothing will change in Thailand until the Chow Barn stop falling for this cheap stunt and start challenging the forces that exploit and cheat them.
David
I don't know if thai Government would financially support farmer and help them anyway they can. And at the end it will be no farm no food. It's kind of sad to see thai farmer's daughters become sex slaves to support their family. Something needs to change over this issue. Money can't replace love and happiness. Small farmer everywhere is hurting. My next door daily farm told me that his business might not survive and he is losing money everyday because the big cooperation control the price of the milk. He might shut his door soon. this is the world of dog eat dog world
Ya I have been bagging my land in small plastic bags and sending them to my home land I hope to have a shovel full of dirt there in at least 10 years and will be able to start my own rice crops. Sorry I can't go faster but mail cost are very high so have to go slowly.
Instead of looking for a scapegoat the politicians should face the problems and solve them (it is their job, it is why they are paid for). That would be a challenge, something that would make them proud, that would make Thailand proud.
Of course it is easier to blame some foreigners and their wifes than to fight against agricorps, chemicals industry, corruption, organized crime, poor education and poverty.
Cutting of the foreigners out of everything is very short sighted. Thailand would greatly benefit from foreign know-how. Diversity is a strength, not a weakness !
It sounds to me that the real problem is with the officials in the Land Office getting rich.
The only point where they may be fair for all expats living in Thailand, would be to let any expat to buy private home for living with Thai spouse or for retirement and be stricter for foreign investors if they want to invest in real estate businesses as it is done in many civilized countries.
This was sent to me today from one of the top people in Indonesia. I saw an article by Stickman in Bangkok so decided to check with friends of mine who own Banks, Hotel Chains, Shopping Centers, apartment blocks and large Real Estate developments in Indonesia.
Here is what he said,"Hi Andy nice to hear from you,overall Indonesia is doing better compared to other parts of Asia region, especially Bali I think is quite stable but due to global crisis expected a little bit correction. No of tourist from US and Europe expected lower than last year but domestic tourist is stable or a bit higher , property business in Bali still doing well many new development and aggressive mktng going on, I hope my overview helps".
So people things are bad here not only because of the international situation but because of problems here with how foreigners are seen and treated.
This is not going to change over night. It will take years and many of us older guys will not see it change in our life times.
So what do you do!
Try and do your best and if your like me and you have a family and have lived here 30 years already you do your best and hope for change and teach when you can that things can be better.
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