People's Revolution

[ForumOpinions]

Abby has said it again and again that the laws must be followed. What has he done to the PAD leaders so far? When he first took office, he should have brought them to justice instead of waiting. If he has nothing to hide and is not supporting the PAD then he has nothing to fear. But his behaviour seems like he is hiding some truths about it and he is just afraid that the truths will come out if he takes the PAD leaders to task. Abby are you hiding something that only you and your men know that the Thais don't know? Who are you trying to bluff?

[Ian]

Ian , this thread is about peoples revolution, i,ve give you 3 instances were they all failed miserbly with great loss of life, the problem with a peoples revolution is that you always finish up with a dictator and not an elected government, of course i stand corrected.

well, off the top of my head the American revolution against the British seemed to work out ok.

[Chris-TH]

What about the fall of the Berlin wall? Not quite a revolution, but close.

The break-up of the Soviet Union looked good in the beginning, but later it turned a bit ugly (and it still is).

The Ghandi campaign for an independent India was not that bad aswell. There were some nasty things going on, but that was more caused by the ruler(s) rejecting the idea of giving up power.

[villager]

Ian , this thread is about peoples revolution, i,ve give you 3 instances were they all failed miserbly with great loss of life, the problem with a peoples revolution is that you always finish up with a dictator and not an elected government, of course i stand corrected.

well, off the top of my head the American revolution against the British seemed to work out ok.

Ian , there is absolutely no comparison between what happened in America then and what is happening here in Thailand now,as well you know , and anyway it did not come out too well for the American Redman when they had their peoples revolution did it!!LOLOL.

[sven]

For any political change, you need people to get off their arse, sorry for being blunt. Ruling elites tend to be self-supporting, they grow their own kind, you can easily study this with the Catholic Church hierarchy.

With the establishment mess in Thailand, you need revolutionary vision and force to change, if only forcing them to change their behaviour.

Ultimately, you'll have to break the Privy Councils' and the military's political and social power. "Break", because they obviously hold onto it to their teeth.

[villager]

For any political change, you need people to get off their arse, sorry for being blunt. Ruling elites tend to be self-supporting, they grow their own kind, you can easily study this with the Catholic Church hierarchy.

With the establishment mess in Thailand, you need revolutionary vision and force to change, if only forcing them to change their behaviour.

Ultimately, you'll have to break the Privy Councils' and the military's political and social power. "Break", because they obviously hold onto it to their teeth.

DO you really think that is what Thaksins UDD is trying to acchieve?

[Ian]

For any political change, you need people to get off their arse, sorry for being blunt. Ruling elites tend to be self-supporting, they grow their own kind, you can easily study this with the Catholic Church hierarchy.

With the establishment mess in Thailand, you need revolutionary vision and force to change, if only forcing them to change their behaviour.

Ultimately, you'll have to break the Privy Councils' and the military's political and social power. "Break", because they obviously hold onto it to their teeth.

DO you really think that is what Thaksins UDD is trying to acchieve?

If you remove the word "Thaksin" and his dedicated supporters, then yes!

[observer]

For any political change, you need people to get off their arse, sorry for being blunt. Ruling elites tend to be self-supporting, they grow their own kind, you can easily study this with the Catholic Church hierarchy.

With the establishment mess in Thailand, you need revolutionary vision and force to change, if only forcing them to change their behaviour.

Ultimately, you'll have to break the Privy Councils' and the military's political and social power. "Break", because they obviously hold onto it to their teeth.

I dont want to start a fight here, but hear me out for a sec.........

Why has it taken so long for the "people" (i use commas to denote general population, not a particular demagraphic group) to "get off their arse" as Sven put it so well.

Now we all know that there is corruption in Thailand, politics is no different, maybe more so. so why havent to "Poeple" gotten off their arse, formed a party that is not party to the army/Elite/PC, that screams for democracy and the end to corruption. as we all know, corruption has no place in a democratic society.........unless the "people" are happy to let it happen. Thais have been governed by corrupt leaders for many years, they have been policed by corrupt police for many years, and never a peep (well not a big peep anyway)

what has been the trigger to get the people off their arse this time? seems that there has been an external influence to help the "people" get of their arse?

[villager]

Hey Ian , when the UDD stop flying the thousands of Thaksin banners and they stop wearing their Thaksin headbands ,and Thaksin stops sending his nightly propaganda video,s to his "stormtroopers , then and only then will i cease bringing Thaksin into the limelight on these boards, fair enough?

[Ian]

For any political change, you need people to get off their arse, sorry for being blunt. Ruling elites tend to be self-supporting, they grow their own kind, you can easily study this with the Catholic Church hierarchy.

With the establishment mess in Thailand, you need revolutionary vision and force to change, if only forcing them to change their behaviour.

Ultimately, you'll have to break the Privy Councils' and the military's political and social power. "Break", because they obviously hold onto it to their teeth.

I dont want to start a fight here, but hear me out for a sec.........

Why has it taken so long for the "people" (i use commas to denote general population, not a particular demagraphic group) to "get off their arse" as Sven put it so well.

Now we all know that there is corruption in Thailand, politics is no different, maybe more so. so why havent to "Poeple" gotten off their arse, formed a party that is not party to the army/Elite/PC, that screams for democracy and the end to corruption. as we all know, corruption has no place in a democratic society.........unless the "people" are happy to let it happen. Thais have been governed by corrupt leaders for many years, they have been policed by corrupt police for many years, and never a peep (well not a big peep anyway)

what has been the trigger to get the people off their arse this time? seems that there has been an external influence to help the "people" get of their arse?

A good question observer, worthy of serious discussion. Let me make a few suggestions off the top of my head and in no particular order of merit

Firstly I think we are starting to see the collapse of the "Pooyai/godfather" culture, western influences, TV, cell phones have contributed to this.
Thaksin showed the people what "people power" could achieve.
Many corrupt practices are becoming more blatant and more commented upon.
The gradual increase in Farang residents has introduced a new way of thinking and opened up more sources of information.
The internet and increased computer literacy is a major factor in the search for truth and facts.
Many Thais now study or have studied at universities in democratic countries.
The army has demonstrated its inability to make a modern nation functional.
Many senior officials have shown they are not only too old but out of touch with modern thinking.
The International community is starting to scrutinise events in Thailand, rarely favourably.

I could probably think of more but that will do for starters, you decide which are the more important ones