Does Ahbisit have the right to lock the passage to my home!

[Voice]

Yes Charlies, most people who has lived with this kind of system may obligate to say nothing. Yes he may have some power because he is PM but what he need more than anything now is friend not enemy.

This is what you wrote “If he says a word I am sure the UDD will all be killed”

I don’t think it’s that simple and I hope he isn’t stupid enough to do that.

[Voice]

Hi bamboo_gems, been busy with another website didn’t come in to check here sorry!. I think it really sad that comment and post topics can be deleted in this way & manner. I had posted many good topics here in BP web forum now it almost gone. I would really love to know who is the person behind this deletes saga. We all suppose to living in this Democratic free world yet by unknown reason it so often happened in Thailand.

Did some of you seen an interview on Hardtalk with Abhisit by Zeianb Bedawi. From this interview we could see how much International Media have understood very well what has been happen in Thai since Thaksin coup that follows by the yellow clan over thrown the last elected Government which put Abhisit in power today. She kept on ask him about what his policies was and would he be resign as he is a part of this.

[trtrz]

Hi bamboo_gems, been busy with another website didn’t come in to check here sorry!. I think it really sad that comment and post topics can be deleted in this way & manner. I had posted many good topics here in BP web forum now it almost gone. I would really love to know who is the person behind this deletes saga. We all suppose to living in this Democratic free world yet by unknown reason it so often happened in Thailand.

Did some of you seen an interview on Hardtalk with Abhisit by Zeianb Bedawi. From this interview we could see how much International Media have understood very well what has been happen in Thai since Thaksin coup that follows by the yellow clan over thrown the last elected Government which put Abhisit in power today. She kept on ask him about what his policies was and would he be resign as he is a part of this.

That interview was fallacious, biased and lack the professionalism I expected from BBC.

She never ask for his policy, she only tried to state the same point over and over again that he is undemocratic and even cut in rudely on Abhisit.

Her understanding (or that of the person who provide the script) is vague and she always asked close-ended question, which is a very bad interviewing technique.

Maybe it's because such the purpose her interview is to antagonise Abhisit rather than being informative.

The CNN one is more detailed and well-conducted. It's on the CNN website.

[Voice]

Yes, I do agree that the interview was quite strong and at time she interrupted his reply. I am neither red nor yellow but as one of Thai citizen and I would really like to hear what he has to say about what’ve been happening in my country. I remember it quite well when I saw Abhisit went to PAD camp to give his support. He was on the opposition party at the time. What make thing even worse when PAD did manage to overthrown the elected government. What PAD did was very wrong in my view. The final straw came when they closed the Airport. They refuse to move out of government house even though the court has order them to move out. Finally Abhisit got his party into government by default through PAD action. I think my civil right, my human right and my liberty had been taken away by simple act of personal interest above all else. If PAD didn’t exist I am sure it would not be any red now. What have been happening today is about conflict of interest between establishment and elites and power struggles. What make it wrong today is also that they have using people and politic to achieve their power. While innocent people died so the rich can still retain their power. I believe that for us to live in this Democratic world we should learn to respect the system. Democracy means choice of majority which allows us the freedom to choose. Whether or not we like what we get in elected government. We should wait for our chance when our time comes. Thailand cannot allow coup maker or minority voice to hijack the majority voice into submission, so it is simple as that. So we mustn’t allow this kind of situation to continue. We cannot allow the politic to use Monarchy as pawn in these games of chess as they always have done.

If you asking me what my choice is my choice would have been no coup, no corruption, no fighting. I want government that will work for people not for themselves. I want equal standard that I could get in European countries like fair play & equal opportunity.

[indranu]

roads are blocked from all sides and one has to walk thru the morning rituals everyday to reach office at central world. If these people are not forced out they will sit here for months.
the common man working in the ratchaprasong area are suffering big time and the demonstrators should know they are hurting their own country men.
I dont know who is in charge?

[trtrz]

Yes, I do agree that the interview was quite strong and at time she interrupted his reply. I am neither red nor yellow but as one of Thai citizen and I would really like to hear what he has to say about what’ve been happening in my country. I remember it quite well when I saw Abhisit went to PAD camp to give his support. He was on the opposition party at the time. What make thing even worse when PAD did manage to overthrown the elected government. What PAD did was very wrong in my view. The final straw came when they closed the Airport. They refuse to move out of government house even though the court has order them to move out. Finally Abhisit got his party into government by default through PAD action.

I won't disagree that what PAD did was illegal and undemocratic. But at the same time if you recall PPP was trying to amend constitution to free themselves from corruption charges, which is ALSO undemocratic as according to philosophy of democracy, their parliament members are elected to do the work for the people not for themselves.

the PAD first demand was stop amending the constitution, but they won't stop so PAD raised the demand, which I think was when thing started to get to far.

Truth is no one is democratic and in fact Abhisit may be the most democratic leader, because he tries to work for the people and that is fundamental philosophy of democracy. Not that he is a supreme morale selfless leader, but he tries to make proper social policies instead of short term result-based populism, which he also succumbed to early on.

I think my civil right, my human right and my liberty had been taken away by simple act of personal interest above all else.

civil right what? Human right what? liberty what?

did Abhisit jail you? stop you from feeding yourself? Implement self-gain policy that does not benefit the people?

If PAD didn’t exist I am sure it would not be any red now. What have been happening today is about conflict of interest between establishment and elites and power struggles. What make it wrong today is also that they have using people and politic to achieve their power. While innocent people died so the rich can still retain their power.

agreed. it;s power struggle and not struggle for the people and this is the reason why even if PPP was elected in 2008, there were not democratic when they got power.

I believe that for us to live in this Democratic world we should learn to respect the system. Democracy means choice of majority which allows us the freedom to choose. Whether or not we like what we get in elected government. We should wait for our chance when our time comes. Thailand cannot allow coup maker or minority voice to hijack the majority voice into submission, so it is simple as that. So we mustn’t allow this kind of situation to continue. We cannot allow the politic to use Monarchy as pawn in these games of chess as they always have done.

agreed that election is the closest we have to democracy.

but as long as the people we elected, work for themselves and not for the people it is not democracy.

If you asking me what my choice is my choice would have been no coup, no corruption, no fighting. I want government that will work for people not for themselves. I want equal standard that I could get in European countries like fair play & equal opportunity.

I want that also, but i believe the conflict here is how to achieve rather than what we want to achieve

[Voice]

Please don’t ask me those cheap silly questions (trtrz) as he (Abhisit) is part of the problem he has stop all the progress that my country & me could have. You may agree or disagree with me but in truth he is part of these disturbances. If he didn’t supported PAD movement and became PM we won’t have this problem today. If he really wants to be a PM of Thailand then he should get proper elected. I would really love to hear what policies he have to run my country if he has one! Since he been PM we had milk crisis, Sardine crisis, 280million party funds crisis and now red-shirt crisis so what else do you want! Of course it is your right to have your thought, opinion and support who ever you want but as for me what ever went on prior to this situation he is very much part of that problem. I think I am within my right to make those statement about those right that I and my countryman have lost through this crises. People of Thailand still want to make their own choice.

What happening now is the same token as when PAD did protest against PPP party. PAD didn’t allow them to begin their work when all the hell broke lose in violence. Now we could see history repeating itself once again.

Trtrz wrote “I want that also, but i believe the conflict here is how to achieve rather than what we want to achieve”

No vision no gain trtrz!

[Jefferson]

1.

If he didn’t supported PAD movement and became PM we won’t have this problem today.

I certainly agree here Voice. The current problems would not exist. The existing problems would be much, much worse, as Somchai or another of Thaksin's relatives would be PM.

2. It is difficult to actually bring new policies to the table when your primary responsibility is not getting killed by angry red mobs (like last Song Khlong) and managing a continuous assault against your authority. But he is nevertheless getting through a new land tax bill. Why do you not comment upon what he has done?

3. All of these comments about not being properly elected are really lame at this point in time. It is an old grudge that you use to justify your current position. Samak and Somchai were elected in EXACTLY the same manner as Abhisit....yet I will wager that you accepted both of them (and if I am wrong here, then I apologize to you in advance).

4. At a time when both Abhisit and reds seem to be in agreement and backing-off, why do look to the past and fan the flames here? What PAD did was wrong and should be punished. But do you and others now claim that PAD's wrongs make all that the reds do right?? Lots of people killed in many ways during red mobs' activity, not so during yellow mob activity. No concrete proof of anything yet, but if Methee's testimony is indeed accurate, then we certainly do have red terrorists. Never had any yellow grenade launchers that we know of.

You will not remember me Voice, but we have spoken often. I posted under a different name. I respected you then, as I do now..........but we disagreed somewhat then........as we do now.

[Voice]

Hi Jefferson, It not that have any grudge against him (Abhisit) personally. I left no comment about Democrat politic for a long while so just to see how he would do his job. The reason I mention those reason is because if we forget what went wrong and the reason behind the protestor we could never find the solution of this problem and this division. I understand very well that Abhisit did tried his best to make things happen. I also know that his problem isn’t just about the red-shirt. He has much wrose problem and division inside his party. He has no power to make thing happy because of the power that exist before him. In truth his deputy Suthep is the one who run the show Abhisit has to gave way to those much senior to him even though he is a PM. I was told that he was only choice because of his background and there were no one else beside that. There is much for him to thank those he owing for the job he’s got. He could be really good Prime Minister if he didn’t join Democrat old crow like Suthep. Even my father who has been a strong supporter to the Dem has now given up. I think it too late now to turn the clock back. He has make many mistake through this crisis not because he the bad PM but because he has no real power above his peer. The Democrat has known to be one of the most corrupted parties in Thailand history. Suthep and Newin have already agreed to divide their share of the country back last year. Basically none of parties are good to run our country but what choice do you have when there is only old crooked hand to choose from. They all want some slice of Thailand in there pocket they could get rich while in politic. On one has talked about how we are going to solve this problem. All we do is talking about the problem that has been existed since we suppose to have democracy.

Last month I met with Chinese Envoy Ambassador who came to Thailand on behalf of Chinese Government. His visit to the south was to hand over 10 Ambulances to the Army to be use for the three troubles provincial. At the same time with this visit the Chinese have intention to buy 50,000MT of rubbers from us. As we talk over a meal one of his translator mention to me that no one could go within the area to purchase the rubber because they mostly will get kill. Further more he said that the only people who are able to make possible this deal are the army. Now the question is why people will get kill if they want to buy rubber from willingly seller (Muslim) in the South? Now draw your own conclusion!

[Jefferson]

Hi Voice,

1.Do not worry Voice, I will not forget what went wrong and brought us to today. I disagree with you that it was the PAD rally that is causing today's problems. The PAD rally did educate the reds on a way to proceed, but the cause of today is Thaksin. We would not have these problems if he was not convicted of anything and was given all of his money. This is not about democracy for most reds (some yes, but not most). This is about Thaksin.

2. I think Abhisit has tried hard in implementing polices to help Thailand have more equality.......again I mention the land tax bill upon which you do not comment. And someone is talking about trying to fix this. That is his 5 point reconciliation plan. He is in a very difficult situation and not all of his government supports him. I think he is doing best job under present conditions.

3. If you do not want Abhisit to continue, then what do you and your father suggest? Voice, I have read your posting, but I see no suggestions about what to do.

4. I suggest that PM continue on roadmap regardless of red speeches, demands, etc. If reds do not soon move out of Bangkok, then declare marshal law and surround the red rally. Blockade all food and water, etc. Allowed all unarmed people out to return home, but allow nothing in. Then after fair warning, use force to remove any who remain. There really is no viable alternative. House dissolution solves nothing at this moment. Thailand needs a little law and order, hopefully enforced with a minimum of causalities. There Voice is my suggestion. Please state yours.