tommycrown1 wrote:Thailand – What to do?
As a foreigner looking on Thailand and what happens I feel sad for the thai people. –Specially all that people who loose there life in this conflict and all that people who loose so much money on a falling stockmarket, falling real estate price, falling tourist figures, falling investments, increasing unemployment.-Same thing like when the yellow shirts occupaing the airport.
Is it so HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAILAND NEED?????????????????????????????????????????
LOOK ON THE HISTORY AND HOLD ELECTIONS AND RESPEKT THAT RESULT! –Only that can stop the countrys way to civil war!
And who is the big looser if it go so far? –Yes EVERYONE LIVING IN THAILAND
Worried farang who soon sell the house and go to vietnam
Elections will accomplish nothing at this time.
Your analysis is superficial and incorrect.
Best of luck with your house sale and trip to Vietnam.
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grandpops wrote:I was amazed today at the speed with which justice can be delivered against poor farmers for blocking roads.
It is at least 2 years quicker than for anybody occupying an airport, firing guns from PAD sound trucks, killing intruder at Airport etc. World is watching.
On a lighter note, the great Thaivisa has gone yellow! Removing lots of good posts and leaving all the vitriol and sneers from its PAD members on.
Yep.. the PAD occupied the airport for 2 years -- and all those old folk in the PAD, you have to watch them - they even shot an M79 up to the toll way from Don Muang airport and it traveled all the way back and killed one of them - how silly of them to shoot an M79 at a deserted tollway, especially when they were asleep - only grannies could do that.
Yes.. and they blockaded roads and did personal searches, had heaps of weapons - they even held them up on stage so everyone could see them - golly, they took over military armored vehicles too ... damn those grannies.
Yep.. when you compare the UDD, the grannies of the PAD are bad mommas. Hey all those grannies down there burning buses in Bangkok - did you see it? Terrible... terrible.. terrible..
Did you see the PAD race out to the satellite station and demand this and that .. and then demand of the tv station -- humm.. yes, grannies...
and you've seen them going to all the army bases too... terrible.. terrible.. terrible..
Perhaps I got a few things mixed up, but nevermind there's no need to be too precise with evidence.
I might have made a mistake, and maybe it wasn't the grannies who did all those nasty things, perhaps it was others, but nevermind, mobs can do that from time to time.
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RogerRamjet wrote:Thaksin did a lot for this country, strange as it may seem. He gave the poor 30 baht health care.
If you talk with people inside the health ministry, the policy was already planned prior to Thaksin's premiership. Thaksin brandnamed it and got the credit for it. Well atleast he implemented it though so that him playing the part to get the credit.
He also stopped one person from meddling in the army and police reshuffle for the first time in years.
He meddled it himself, his brother became general. Not to mention countless reshuffles in independent agencies such as SEC and law institution to make sure he did not get sued for his deeds.
You can damn Thaksin all you like but he got things done, bridges were built, roads completed, infrastructure put in place, and prosperity returned to Thailand.
He did not build those bridges and roads dude, the people did. Plus prosperity is debatable, since he rides Thailand's recovery to success. He took power at the right time...just 2-3 years after the crisis, so prosperity came naturally from business cycle.
He actually kept rein on corruption by moving ministers from other parties and his own, to places where they could no longer feed at the trough.
Can you explain to me why several of his good ministers quit(Purachai quit first year) and got reshuffled after a while, and often than not incompetent but under the control of Thaksin been put into key position.
He did have good and uncorrupted minister, but often than not he tended to choose people that worked for him rather than people that worked well.
The fact that he stepped on the so called puyais' toes whilst doing it was a boon for the Thai public service system entrenched in "promotion by seniority". They screamed. They should have too, for far too long they had not served the public, which I might add is their job, instead they were promoted by brains, achievements and knowledge.
He became the Pooyai himself...influential person. No one dared to step on his toes during his regime.
I would prefer 100 Thaksins to army coups. Every coup that happens puts this country back 5 years to the rest of Asia.
If Thais were just taught to think whilst they are being educated, instead of brainwashed and taught by rote, Thailand would be number one in Asia.
One country cannot handle two Thaksin at once.
Also, I doubt anyone would say this in 2006, excpet really hardcore Thaksin supporters.
This whole thing has moved past Thaksin, it's about equality for all under the law. You can't have a coup, pardon the coup leaders and then appoint a retired military commander to be PM on the say so of one old man. (I'm sure you can work out who he is, if you've read about your country). And then to have a court of law and the judges of that court all appointed by the military coup leaders is ludicrous.
Coup sounded bad, but this coup is no Burmese military or Jompon Thanom. The coup was bloodless. Although I would say they were inefficient at running countries and incompetent at writing laws.
I really do wish people would read a bit more and not go off half-cocked. This is about Thais killing Thais at the behest of the Thai Government, leave Thaksin out of it.
Unfortunately, Thaksin is in it. he is one of the reason why people are killing each other.
And by the way, I did not like Thaksin at all, but I hate the army even more. Armies are to defend borders and in times of floods, fires and invasions, not for riot control and especially not with weapons of war!
I agreed that military should not be involved in politics, but this is idealistic, when you have incompetent police force.
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RogerRamjet wrote:The thrust of my comments were aimed at this stupid myth that Thaksin controlled everything, then and now, and has done nothing for the country. Along with that they were also aimed at the improper use of the armed forces by one person and that is not the Prime Minister. An advisor is just that, an advisor, not a puppeteer.
Let just say personal experiences of family members and friends have came across Thaksin uses of patronism and nepotism as well as corruption. I have fmaily members in civil servants and nothing that's to do with keeping Thaksin power in check gets done, all the corruption cases got on hold somewhere down the line, Thaksin attempted at bribing.
The only good bit about Thaksin is that when he is in power he won't resort to thug method and beat you up unlike some other polticians(however, I was less convinced of this when one my friend's uncle got beaten up when he refused to do Thaksin a favour), but he certainly gained control through bribe, and putting his people into key positions.
There is also the most crucial fundamental fact that the protests are all about; There is one law in Thailand, but it is applied selectively depending on who you know, not the law as it stands. Have you ever asked yourself why one woman is in jail for 18 years and the so called "pooyai" who said, or have said the same thing are running free? The protests are about just that. It has gone past Thaksin. The normal everyday people are asking why the law is selectively administered.
I agreed about the pooyai thing and it's gettign too far and it annoyed me as must as it annoyed you. Thailand system is based on patronism ever since the era of Pridi and Phibun and it had to change.
Unfortunately, the red shirts used this case as a device rather than a cause and ironically the key red shirts were 'pooyai' themselves.
Nothing gonna change with 'Pooyai' fighting 'Pooyai' using 'Prai' as their army.
People are asking under what law websites are banned and why. The minister openly brags that she has the power to decide, yet the law says she doesn't, yet she just keeps banning them with impunity. I wish to read both sides, I do not want propaganda. I want to make up my own mind, not be dictated to by a few doddering old men. I like opposing views.
If you are talking about Ranongrat then i completely agree with you. That person can't even use a computer and got to become IT minister.
I do not want propaganda to and that's why i denounce what the red shirts (leaders) are doing as well as the yellow shirts.
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villager wrote:A very interesting viewpoint Absara, and one which I agree with entirely ,All Abhi has to do is double the money what Thaksins paying the reds and they will all go home singing and dancing ,and likely vote democrat in the next GE , all this baloney about democracy ,freedom ,justice and equality for the rural poor in Issan, boils down to 3 things, money,money and money in that order,or in laymens lingo they are just political mercenaries and will sell their services to the highest bidder, an opinion I may add which I share with many of my Issan friends up here in Buriram. and to be quite frank Bill@Bangkok on Page 1 just about weighs the situation up perfectly .Absara wrote:Khun Villager,
If I may put my two cents (or two satangs) in, I don’t think anyone denying that people from the rurals get paid to come to Bangkok to protest. But that is not the reason why they came. They do not join the protest so that they can get the daily allowance of 500 or 1000 bahts. You know it and I know it.
If the reason behind the protest is to get paid 500 or 1000 bahts a day, then all the Prime Minister needs to do is doubling that amount for the protesters, and they would all go home singing and dancing, and likely vote for him at the next election too, right? The government spends billions of bahts for the military, and they can certainly afford a few million baths for the protesters to end the crisis.
The real issue is that the protesters are not after the 500 or 1000 bahts, though that money provides them the necessary mean to cover the trip. For many of them, the trek from their villages to Bangkok is a journey for a better future for their children. That is their motivation and dream, and no one can take that away from them because that’s all they have.
The world is changing at an unprecedent speed Khun Villager, and any society that ignores those changes will do so at its own peril…
Sorry for the too late response, but I believe this adequately proves my point. Most people tend to judge others based on their own priorities, and Villager, I assume that you are no different. A bit of logic is advised though....
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