Who started the violence? The red shirts or MR. A???

[cozza]

Jefferson & LabelBasher,

Some of the stuff I read on this forum is incredible.

I saw an interview where Thaksin said the UDD came empty handed for a peaceful demonstration and another where a UDD leader echoed the same saying that the UDD came empty handed for a peaceful demonstration. Also, when Thaksin was asked about HIS supporters, he said they are fine...why did he not deny them? I thought this was not about him???

So, the UDD & Thaksin both claim they come empty handed but they are caught with grenade launchers and assualt rifles (AK47) that did not come from the Thai military.

Sorry, but this is lies, these people are liars. The people who support this group are so brainwashed there is no point debating on forums trying to convince them the UDD is misleading these people. The UDD are giving false hope in the name of equality.

An election will not fix the problems in Thailand, it will only change the colour.

One last thing, I cannot be bothered replying to the garbage posted by some on this forum, I suggest you stop wasting your time too. Spend more time with your loved ones and family and ignore these trouble makers.

[Jefferson]

Hi cozza,

Oh I agree completely. Many here are liars, but many more are simply blind and do not wish to see what is before their eyes. Politics does this to many folks. Here are just a few facts for them to deny yet again:

1. There are YouTube videos of yesterday’s violence near Don Muang. Clearly shown are red-shirts carrying cocked pistols. The reds and their leaders continue to preach nonviolence and "insist" that they are unarmed.........while the film runs on YouTube showing them armed.

2. Khun Methee has confessed that reds opened fire upon orders of their leaders on April 10.

3. The M79 grenades fired into the innocent civilians at the SkyTrain the other night were fired from within Lumpini Park, the center of the red mob. The red crowd cheered when they heard of the injuries.

4. Pol Sgt-Maj Prinya Maneekhot was today arrested with another 63 M79 grenades and he has confessed that he was taking them to a "client". We await the clients identity.

I could certainly go on and on......but this is already plenty for the liars to attack.

[cozza]

Jefferson,

The problem is that Thaksin is still making speeches to his supporters brainwashing them with promises of Pracha Tipatai.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... -where-r-u

This article says so much from my favourite BP author, he is not biased and openly admits to not liking both Mr A and Mr T. He bring the subject of where is Mr T?

He says "For those who still insist that the red movement isn't about Thaksin, please get out of your air-conditioned room and go talk to the red shirts and read their banners."

Ask the Red supporters how immediate elections will create Pracha Tipatai - equality and democracy? You will prob get the response that they come barehanded for a peaceful protest...make sense??? didnt think so...typical political no answer to that question.

[Jefferson]

The red offenses have now become so very gross (like hospital invasion) that the reds who post here no longer even bother to defend them.

I certainly hope that karmic forces are at work here so that when an election is eventually held, that all voters will remember what has been done here by the reds and phue thai. Whatever would they be saying then....if they lose the elction that they are screaming for??

[LabelBasher]

The red offenses have now become so very gross (like hospital invasion) that the reds who post here no longer even bother to defend them.

I certainly hope that karmic forces are at work here so that when an election is eventually held, that all voters will remember what has been done here by the reds and phue thai. Whatever would they be saying then....if they lose the elction that they are screaming for??

How dare you, Jeff?? Everybody is an angel until proven guilty. Do not accuse the innocents! It's not their policy, you see, just a simple mistake.




No no no, don't bother to raise any rubbish point that their hospital-invading leader Payap said Jatuporn did indeed give him green light. I don't want to hear it.

[EuroAsiatic]

Thailand

Please no more only Yellow color
Please no more only Red color
Thailand need all the rainbow colors
And specially the mix of the Yellow and the Red:
the Orange, the spirituality
Thailand need the balance
Thailand need the mind
Thailand need meditation
Thailand need mediation
Thailand need negociation
Thailand need compensation
Thailand need spirituality
And all these things are Thailand
Thailand need Thailand
Thailand must help Thailand
Thailand must love Thailand

[Ahimsaka]

Although I am not Thai, being American, I must say that I love Thailand and the people of Thailand in general.
I have been in and out of Thailand quite frequently since the late 90's. I have seen Thailand grow in leaps and bounds yet the people and their culture still remains which is what I love about Thailand.

It is unfortunate and a tragedy that a few rotten apples always spoil the bunch.
It is also unfortunate that propaganda is usually the fuel that sets the fire ablaze.

I truly believe the truth will prevail as it always does, sometimes admittedly too late but it does prevail nonetheless.

I pray that Thailand will straighten out and fly right once again and these power-mongers settle their differences in a more private arena instead using innocent people as their pawns in their power struggle.

Me too, I am not a Thai either but I like Thailand alot. Whenever possible, I would visit Thailand. I hate the feeling of vacillating whether it is safe to visit or not whenever political unrest and conflicts happen, especially over the last few years. Regarding who started the violence first in a mass-scale protest like this, my personal view is that no matter how peaceful all parties want it to be, violence is inevitable, especially when the length of protest and stalemate drags on, there is no guarantee that people will not get frustrated. Furthermore, as the protest snowballs bigger and bigger, it poses a challenge to the ability of protest leaders to enforce discipline and control among his men, right down to the last one. This holds the same to the soldiers as well on the front-lines. All it takes is just one guy to "misbehave" to trigger off a string of violence. It is the tension in such situation that makes it just so volatile and precarious.

I remember seeing the movie "THE ROCK" and there was a bathroom scene where US Navy SEAL team was in a standoff with the a renegade group of soldiers led by a highly decorated general (Ed Harris). In that tense situation, both groups had their weapons pointed at each other. One guy under the charge of general carelessly or clumsily knocked down a piece of brick beside him and that triggered the fateful tragedy. Both sides started to spray bullets at each other and there was a huge loss of lives. The general and SEAL team lead had no wish to kill each other for they were afterall fellow countrymen, not enemies. I found that scene quite touching. Ok, sorry for that digression. But what I think should be done is for protest leaders and military/government to manage protest responsibly and control their own men well. Even when violence do break out, each party should investigate on its end and drag out the black sheep to account to the people, especially to the families of those whose lives have been lost in the incident.

I hope this crisis can end soon for I am looking forward to visit Thailand soon.