The P.A.D.

[Jefferson]

KCW, you really need to study criminal law a bit. There are degrees of crime. I agree that the yellows violated the law and should be punished. But they did not kill people and shoot grenades and RPGs around town. If here is credible proof that the reds did indeed use war weapons and fire grenades (this proof has NOT YET been produced, but Methee's testimony as reported is certainly damning), then the reds clearly committed far more serious crimes. If proven, then the reds punishment (terrorism) should be far more severe than that given to the yellows.

All who committed crimes need to be charged with crimes that fit their conduct and then fairly and transparently prosecuted under Thai law. This is what justice requires and justice is a key element of a functioning democracy.

[kcw226]

The Law is the law. It does not matter it involve killing or or grenades. Those responsible should be punish.

Those doing illegal assembly should be punish accoding to what they do. You cannot blame the whole family when only a few bad hat around. The police should charge those responsible for the crime they do.

When the PAD blockage the airport, I remember a few patient cannot leave to seek treatment and that is life threathening. That crime is "With similar to intention to kill". If the police/army storm them, do you not think they will reply back with guns and grenades ?

The leaders of both of these groups should be charged with intention to murder and terroism. In law there is no such think as to what degree or severe the offence is. They both broke the law and they are similar or if not the same. Both should be hang.

If like someone mention earlier, it is not for the PM to decide. It is the justice department to decide the outstanding PAD charge. Until now, nothing have been done. You are sure there is no invisible hand at work ??? Remember, there is also a PAD Foreign Minister. He will do nothing to help his fellow PAD ?? This clearly show it is a one sided matter.

It would only appear good to those with one eye shut.

Frankly, I do not believe there is justice anymore. If I thrown rusbish on the street., I will be fine or thrown to jail immediately. Justice done. . The PADS can have an outstanding case for years and they still rome freely. Where is there justice ?

KCW, you really need to study criminal law a bit. There are degrees of crime. I agree that the yellows violated the law and should be punished. But they did not kill people and shoot grenades and RPGs around town. If here is credible proof that the reds did indeed use war weapons and fire grenades (this proof has NOT YET been produced, but Methee's testimony as reported is certainly damning), then the reds clearly committed far more serious crimes. If proven, then the reds punishment (terrorism) should be far more severe than that given to the yellows.

All who committed crimes need to be charged with crimes that fit their conduct and then fairly and transparently prosecuted under Thai law. This is what justice requires and justice is a key element of a functioning democracy.

[Jefferson]

KCW.....we clearly have very different views of what is justice and we clearly disagree. And as long as you maintain that peaceful demonstartaors should get the same punishment as murders than we will continue to disagree...........because I remain correct.

Not really much more to discuss with you, as neither of us is going to change the other's mind..........I certainly will not change here because I remain correct.

[kcw226]

Jefferson... I too have a different view from you and I too totally disagree with your view.

If you classified that peaceful demonstration means include occupying the Goverment House inclusive of looting personal belonging of the staffs that of the goverment and forcefully occuping and forcing the shut down of the International Airport by force is Ok and term as peaceful demonstration, then you should really think of yourself again.

You have make yourslf clear on this. I understand your thinking. I hope there are not many like you. There is no hope anymore. Thank you, you have make your point too clear.

When you use your term, pleas do not use WE as there are many who disagree with you. This may only be your personal view or the few around you.

KCW.....we clearly have very different views of what is justice and we clearly disagree. And as long as you maintain that peaceful demonstartaors should get the same punishment as murders than we will continue to disagree...........because I remain correct.

Not really much more to discuss with you, as neither of us is going to change the other's mind..........I certainly will not change here because I remain correct.

[Jefferson]

KCW, I classify peaceful as NOT getting blown-up by grenades. All of these many grenade attacks have occurred during the red demonstrations. The few grenade attacks that occurred during the yellow demonstration were when grenades were fired at the yellows. So go ahead KCW, prove me wrong. But do not just offer your unsupported opinion, try some facts.

You cannot.......simply because you are wrong and cannot prove otherwise. You are wrong on both the law and the facts. We all see and know that. Prove all of us wrong.

[Jefferson]

Now here are some fats KCW: your quote:

If you classified that peaceful demonstration means include occupying the Goverment House inclusive of looting personal belonging of the staffs that of the goverment and forcefully occuping and forcing the shut down of the International Airport by force is Ok and term as peaceful demonstration, then you should really think of yourself again.

And my answer is YES, the is peaceful. Is it illegal? Yes. But also peaceful. Why? Easy.....nobody got blown-up or shot in head with war weapons fired by the red men in black or killed while awaiting SkyTrain.

So what is your definition of peaceful???

[Oilly]

K Jefferson. Not getting blowning up something does not mean it is OK as long as they are peaceful. Illegal or not is not up to you to decide. Thailand have a well set of both civil and criminal law and both are just as sereve. You should brush up you judicial knowledge before you put fictacious remarks.

In Thai law, illegal occupation of a strategic Public facility is a manatory 10 years jail sentence. This include the Goverment House and airport. This means, not only the leaders of the PAD should be jailed. All those in the premises during that time without permission are punishable and should be charged in court.

Criminal law governing the use of weapons or with intention to use weapons to cause harm are differently charged. The guilty party as an individual will be charged individually in court. However, those involved in an illegal assembly can be charged in court but at the moment for obstruction.

Technically the PAD and UDD Group as a whole can be charged and brought to court . However in term of charges, the PAD deserve a heavier sentence as a group compare that of the UDD now.

Foreign Minister Kasit which have given speech and in attendance at an illegal assembly and occupied Public building also face a similar charge and can be put to jail if proven he is presence in such assembly and assembly.

Now here are some fats KCW: your quote:

If you classified that peaceful demonstration means include occupying the Goverment House inclusive of looting personal belonging of the staffs that of the goverment and forcefully occuping and forcing the shut down of the International Airport by force is Ok and term as peaceful demonstration, then you should really think of yourself again.

And my answer is YES, the is peaceful. Is it illegal? Yes. But also peaceful. Why? Easy.....nobody got blown-up or shot in head with war weapons fired by the red men in black or killed while awaiting SkyTrain.

So what is your definition of peaceful???

[Oilly]

Well said.

With these few piece of information, it does clearly tell you much about this Abhist Administration and the reason why they so desperately want to brand the UDD as terrorist.

You remember, at one time, there was a poster been put up saying by the UDD saying "In other Country a terrorist is put in Jail, in Thailand, they are made Minister". So looks like they are using the same tricks.... real cruel.

Fact is many pad members including leadership roles have been arrested for their part in crimes.
Well see the courts outcome when it comes, As known some Pad members also became part of the Abhist administration . I don't think their were any murder changes or terrorist charges as Abhist himself even call out to some reds as terrorist from his own mouth.The good news it their (red) are packing up FOR NOW and we all hope it all wont backfire as many predict.(this road map).Lets just hope the yellows and the rest have realised where these protest have drug Thailand too and the harm it all caused since day one of the coup with Sonthi .

edit: some thing I just read else where.,maybe plans have changed : Reds to propose their own roadmap in next few days
Red shirts leaders' meeting after the double fatal attacks ended on Saturday without any resolution :

[Jefferson]

K Jefferson. Not getting blowning up something does not mean it is OK as long as they are peaceful. Illegal or not is not up to you to decide. Thailand have a well set of both civil and criminal law and both are just as sereve. You should brush up you judicial knowledge before you put fictacious remarks.

In Thai law, illegal occupation of a strategic Public facility is a manatory 10 years jail sentence. This include the Goverment House and airport. This means, not only the leaders of the PAD should be jailed. All those in the premises during that time without permission are punishable and should be charged in court.

Criminal law governing the use of weapons or with intention to use weapons to cause harm are differently charged. The guilty party as an individual will be charged individually in court. However, those involved in an illegal assembly can be charged in court but at the moment for obstruction.

Oilly, you are certainly free to post here like anyone else, but if you wish to focus in my direction, then please make at least some effort to get the facts right. Read your post Oilly….you are agreeing with exactly what I say, but somehow telling me I am wrong. Now that is simply nonsense. Nowhere do I ever say that PAD did not break the law….because I believe that they did. But PAD’s illegal activity is not as serious and the red mob. I understand you do not like what I am saying, but your dislike doesn’t make me wrong. Try facts and logic.

My sole point is that a crime with no violence is treated differently under the law than a crime involving violence. This is true under Thai law, as you state. So if what I say is true under Thai law and you are agreeing with me, then please tell us what is your point here?

I need not brush-up on my law here Oilly, as I am 100% correct. Please check the law yourself before posting again. But you may wish to brush-up on your spelling, as you mean to say “fictitious.”

I am very happy to continue our discussion but do request that you get the facts, the law or your spelling correct next time.

[Jefferson]

Oilly, if you are correct in what you say, then please tell us why no grenades are exploding inside the red rally? All explosions are taking place elsewhere.