Yellow shirts

[ipsut]

RogerRamjet: When Khun Sonti printed those words, and verbally repeated them, he was complaining that the LM laws were being flagrantly violated. After repeating verbally the words of Da Torpedo, he called for her arrest. Khun Sonti has always very much supported the //////, and repeated the words of Da Torpedo as an example of some of the negative developments lately in Thai society.

[Voice]

It is without doubt that every Thai person love and cherish the K’ng at the same time they all use his good name to make their stand against their argument. How can one making an accusation against another when it comes to weighting or measuring our love.

[ipsut]

RogerRamjet: The boy drove into the UDD you said was saved by the police, so he was saved by the supporters of the Reds. Corruption is the problem in Thailand, and why I believe Abhist is a good man to lead Thailand. He has not enriched himself while in office yet. Oh I'm sure there will be someone that can come up with some obscure detail that will be used to twist the facts into a scenario that indicates otherwise. That Thaksin IS corrupt is beyond doubt however, who is it that the reds support? You said that this is all childish, I'm sure the truth is what makes it so. You asked why Khun Sonti was not in jail for saying the words of Da Torpedo, I have answered why and you don't like it, oh well. Have a good day Ramjet.

[Hard_done_by]

RogerRamjet: When Khun Sonti printed those words, and verbally repeated them, he was complaining that the LM laws were being flagrantly violated. After repeating verbally the words of Da Torpedo, he called for her arrest. Khun Sonti has always very much supported the //////, and repeated the words of Da Torpedo as an example of some of the negative developments lately in Thai society.

Hi ipsut,

So, you say that it's not the words used, it's the intention? So, LM attaches to 'intention' and not 'language'?

So, if you were to repeat those words on this forum, as an example, would you risk being charged with LM if you were only giving an example without any adverse intention?

Please note that I am not asking you to make such a posting, but only that you give a view with respect to such a hypothetical 'example' posting.

[ipsut]

Hard_Done: Of course you are correct, that is completely the reason I have avoided using any or all of the words you refer to, I assume it is the same for RogerRamjet. Khun Sonti was burned in this way, I do not plan to make the same mistake. As Khun Sonti did not use those words in the way Da Torpedo intended, his use should be considered a mistake at the worst, not an offense.

[Hard_done_by]

Hard_Done: Of course you are correct, that is completely the reason I have avoided using any or all of the words you refer to, I assume it is the same for RogerRamjet. Khun Sonti was burned in this way, I do not plan to make the same mistake. As Khun Sonti did not use those words in the way Da Torpedo intended, his use should be considered a mistake at the worst, not an offense.

yes, there are severe limits to free speech in thailand. thanks for the reply.

[alex1]

When a protest succeeds and is peaceful, the government tends to overlook the problems the protest caused because the protesters usually have public support and support within the government as the protesters views become the new consensus view eliminating the need for further protests. Since there were no further protests there was no need to arrest anyone.

When a protest fails and becomes violent, the violence threatens public order. The government viewed the red shirts as an ongoing problem and uses arrests to stop the red shirt leaders from formenting further unrest.

Sophistocated enough?

When is this bs. about "peaceful" PAD going to end? Aren't we all very tired of hearing the same lie over and over? Haven't we discussed this about a million times, and here we are again hearing the same propaganda? Maybe some of us have been watching too much ASTV and nothing else, so they are not aware of what really had been going on around the real world. This is very sad indeed.
May I kindly remind you the governement you mentioned to support the yellows were not the
democrats that time. The airport was not closed by the yellows but the airport authorities. Even if we not like it, but that
might be an importent view of the juristication not to proceed, But hey, it is very sophisticated logic. So sophisticated that normal people won't understand unless they are wearing some yellow space helmets. As for us normal people, aren't we just looking for some simple logic? Is that too much of a challenge?

Go think really hard about your arguments. Here is mine:- When you do something wrong like closing the airports and stranding 300,000 passengers and causing roughly 300 billion baht in damages to the tourism industry and make Thailand the laughing stock of the world, you are wrong. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether the other side is wrong or not. I am not defending the Reds, mind you. I never did. They are wrong too and should face the consequences of their crimes. But I think the OP is simply asking why the yellows are not punished yet? He is not looking for any "sophisticated" answer. Fact is, after 19 months the PAD have never been charged even by the police yet. That is the idiocy of the the situation.

By the way, there was never any concensus or public support about the PAD protest, except from the government, because they knew the PAD helped put them in power. But if you think stealing power through some silent coup is ok and democratic, that is your problem. They took away your power as a Thai citizen and you don't even know it. They are saying to your face that you are too stupid to vote, so they will "appoint" someone for you and you still think it is ok? Sad! Sad! Sad!

And I know your next argument is going to be about Thaksin and his evil plan. I have heard it about a million times too. Just keep it.

may I honestly remind you, the governement in charge were not the democrats that time.
And (you should know the judical system in Thailand makes it easy to overcome you) the airports, judically important,
were not closed by the yellows, but the airport authorities. If that case goes to the court, even they suffer a hudge loss,
the might get a verdict to compensate the state and the stranded Tourists. If they not close and something happened they are charged, if they closed and nothing came up they might be charged too. There is no way out. Sad indeed.

[Twilight Zone]

Oh no! Here we go again about "Peaceful PAD". The authority closed the airport, not the PAD?

Of course they ordered it closed because of the potential for violence when thousands of people were blocking the entrance. The PAD guards were carrying guns and set up blockades and searching everybody going in and out. Some PAD guards carried guns and went into the control tower, and if you are the authority you won't order it closed? Of course you won't see the armed PAD guards going into the control tower if you only watched ASTV. They were too busy preaching about the "peacefulness" of PAD and didn't have the time slot to show that.


The question to you is why the Muslim pilgirms had to wait there for so many days and negotiated with the PAD to allow their planes to take off if they didn't close the airport? I remember the Southern Muslim Separatists sent a note threatening the PAD if they didn't allow it. If I have it right, I think General Sonthi (A Muslim) had to help negotiate too.

But wait! Haven't we talked about this about a million times already?

[Voice]

Hi TZ It could be Sonti Lim Tampon voodoo saga that PAD spiritual ghost still around. So I think it would be quite difficult to get rid of the old ghost as it hasn’t left this earth to spiritual world yet. If anyone thinks that PAD hasn’t done anything wrongs then we could only forgive them for being blind.

[factsvshype]

I hope this post doesn't get removed as it contains a link to a very interesting article from the Nation regarding "The Truth About Thaksin & Sondhi" written back in 2005.

Where it all really began. The cause. The source. The root.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/special ... /nov29.php

Clearly Timezone, RogerRamjet, Absara and Voice have done their research and know about the facts and post eloquent and well thought out posts. Kudos!

Why is it that people generally respond and/or react to the effects & outcomes instead of trying to find and resolve the cause?

PAD needs to be reprimanded as well as the UDD and all parties should sign the going forward once a General Election has been held and a PM has been officially elected by the people (regardless of vote buying, which I am quite sure there is plenty of votes amongst the opposing parties to buy votes) will not be subject to any coups or protests. If a protest or coup henceforth is initiated, all parties involved will be jailed 15 years to life. Done.

Just my opinion.