The PAD's Blockade of Government House and Parliament

[villager]

Dear villager, you must have a very short memory, because I told you already, that I do not think that killing people without a fair trial is right. I do completely agree with you and would love to see ALL THE RESPONSIBLE people involved in it to be trialled for it.

Give Abhi a chance, not that he gave Samak or Somchai a chance, but fair enough give him a chance. Let us forget all he said before he became PM. Let us not call him a ///// for saying that he wanted new elections before he became PM.

Let us see so far what he has done, nothing but speeches no actions yet. Not sure what he is waiting for, to start to act like a PM and some actions follow his speeches.

His new politics, just old socks. TRT policies and not much more yet.

His way to help the economy, handing out 2,000 Bath to 8 million workers, fair enough, that is new, but I think that completely wrong. I would say, that is just an other form of vote buying.

And let us not forget the choice of his ministers. Foreign Minister, a clown, Minister for Commerce, has zero idea about her business, other ministers, well, sorry but can not tell you much about them, no idea myself.

But let us see what the future brings. How long you reckon should he have time as that you could accept it as giving him a fair chance? 6 month, 1 year, 2 years?

So finally let me get to the boat people dilemma. Following an extract from today’s BP;

“Mr Abhisit said he is not worried about the Thai military’s image as the military has clear evidence to explain the situation after being accused of harsh treatment in dealing with the refugees.”

The world is watching and Thailand is ignoring the world. So what, business as usual. Nobody has done anything wrong here. Abhi defends his military, inquiry done, page turned.

Hi Mac, my views on human rights are well known to all, if Abhisit is so convinced he has"clear evidence" that nothing untoward happened, why has he not ordered a PUBLIC inquiry into events to put , yours, mine, and many others in this forums mind and indeed the whole world watching on at rest , sorry Mac this is far from a satisfactory reply to an extremely serious allegation, but as i wrote to J1V to expect anything else is "DREAMSVILLE" and if there was a totally free press which is the essence of democracy which is so sadly lacking here i,m afraid they would DEMAND ONE instead of being fobbed off, for me the guy is loseing credibility fast, and the big problem is of course with the worlds economy in crisis he has no rabbits to pull out of the hat has he .

[Voice]

Hello villager, did you get my reply this morning on another topic, it seem WM has deleted or remove because I could not find it anywhere.

[pachangamac042]

Dear Voive, did you check under Thai general news? Seems like the wm must be bored lately, and keeps moving topics around.

[pachangamac042]

Well, soon to be head of the armed forces General villager, I do not think that rabbits may help him, I mentioned before, what he needs is miracles.

I think that he had two good possibilities at hand to win back credibility. First, clean up all the PAD mess, second, as you mentioned, a PUBLIC inquiry, into this new scandal.

But what does he do? Just all the wrong things all the others before him have done already.

And what is the international community waiting for to put some real pressure on the Thai government? What about some sanctions, to wake up the new government?

[Socrates]

Villager what about your claim about Abhisit being a puppet and nominee (my interpretation), is this interpretation correct and why is this more acceptable then Samak and Somchai?

Why should Abhisit be left alone, he is a politician, an as such people are bound to oppose him even under more normal circumstances then of today, but considering the present situation where an elected government winning the majority in an hostile environment (military government overseeing and controlling the 2007 general election) being thrown out on of some dubious and highly political and little sustained accusations (evidence) of votebuying. Furthermore given the fact the same accusations of votebuying also were pointed at the Democrats at the time and again now in reports suggesting Democratic vote buying in the last by-election. Why should those (mostly Isaan/North) who feel the courts, rightfully or not, stole their victory be obliged to let Abhisit alone in these special circumstances? Do you think he will “get out of his inaction modus” and react to the boat incident and other issues or is he being a puppet nominee?

The effect of the drug war was despicable, if reported correct in media. But, and this not a specific defence of Thaksin, but a prime minister in a parliamentary system bear the ultimate formal political responsibility for the actions undertaken by governmental agencies. However it’s more questionable if he bear the personal responsible for every single act undertaken (murder if that’s the case), however I guess also it depends how the policy was written out on paper (was disregarding current law etc. specifically ordered to be disregarded?) and I know to little on that.

I wonder what your connection problems are. I have a lot of problems almost every day, to connect to the forum, no problem with other internet sites, as long as they are not censured.

Pach my connection problems lay mostly with my telecom provider. Connection “disappears” so I go online at the most
inconvenient times. Had this problem with the same company (I live in Europe) also about little more then a year ago and it took months before they managed to repair it. But I have experienced problems a few times with no access to forum web also, two or three times. Guess this is to do with the forum web server capacity? Thanks for the PM answer BTW.

[villager]

Villager what about your claim about Abhisit being a puppet and nominee (my interpretation), is this interpretation correct and why is this more acceptable then Samak and Somchai?

Why should Abhisit be left alone, he is a politician, an as such people are bound to oppose him even under more normal circumstances then of today, but considering the present situation where an elected government winning the majority in an hostile environment (military government overseeing and controlling the 2007 general election) being thrown out on of some dubious and highly political and little sustained accusations (evidence) of votebuying. Furthermore given the fact the same accusations of votebuying also were pointed at the Democrats at the time and again now in reports suggesting Democratic vote buying in the last by-election. Why should those (mostly Isaan/North) who feel the courts, rightfully or not, stole their victory be obliged to let Abhisit alone in these special circumstances? Do you think he will “get out of his inaction modus” and react to the boat incident and other issues or is he being a puppet nominee?

The effect of the drug war was despicable, if reported correct in media. But, and this not a specific defence of Thaksin, but a prime minister in a parliamentary system bear the ultimate formal political responsibility for the actions undertaken by governmental agencies. However it’s more questionable if he bear the personal responsible for every single act undertaken (murder if that’s the case), however I guess also it depends how the policy was written out on paper (was disregarding current law etc. specifically ordered to be disregarded?) and I know to little on that.

I wonder what your connection problems are. I have a lot of problems almost every day, to connect to the forum, no problem with other internet sites, as long as they are not censured.

Pach my connection problems lay mostly with my telecom provider. Connection “disappears” so I go online at the most
inconvenient times. Had this problem with the same company (I live in Europe) also about little more then a year ago and it took months before they managed to repair it. But I have experienced problems a few times with no access to forum web also, two or three times. Guess this is to do with the forum web server capacity? Thanks for the PM answer BTW.

Hi Socrates ,Firstly ,Samak was a self confessed Thaksin Clone, so for me he was just the same as the "Boss", lionheart Somchai did just what he was told ,i,ve no time for Thaksin whatsoever, and its my opinion without going into details that i know far more of what went on in 03 than most people, in regards to Abhisit being a "puppet" maybe puppet is the wrong word ,"steered in what others construe as the right direction may be more appropriate, in regards to the forum web services i too have problems from time to time, i,ve tried shutting down and starting up again , but its just same , after an hour or so it go,s right again. and being my knowledge of PCs is very limited i just soldier on regardless.

[villager]

Hello villager, did you get my reply this morning on another topic, it seem WM has deleted or remove because I could not find it anywhere.

Sorry Voice , i am not aware of any reply from you , cheers.

[pachangamac042]

Dear villager, coming back to the boat people “incident”. The following in italics is from The Nation;

“Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government had agreed to meet the UN refugee agency and had also offered to host a regional meeting with all concerned countries to try to tackle the root cause of the problem.”

Seems like Abhisit is too dump to see what the real problem is, or he is very clever and tries to distract from the real problem. The problem in hand, is that Thailand has acted against human rights mistreating refugees and sending the boat people back to sea. The only concerned country here is Thailand itself. Accusations are made against his government, for acting inhumanly.

“The military has denied acting in an inhumane way but pictures emerged recently of a boat full of Rohingyas being towed out to sea.”

It looks like there are solid proves and eye witnesses, showing and telling that Thailand has acted wrongly. Still they try to deny everything. Abhi seems not to realize, that in this case he is on a fast sinking ship. I understand that it is difficult to admit wrong doing, but to deny it, makes him loose the little credibility he may have had.

I guess that Abhisit does not want to loose his face admitting, that they have done wrong. But I wonder if it is worth it to risk your head?

The question may be, how much more bs will the international community take before they start the take some measures against the Thai government? And what could those measures be?

“in regards to the forum web services i too have problems from time to time, i,ve tried shutting down and starting up again , but its just same , after an hour or so it go,s right again.”

Well villager, not that I am computer wizard, but I have the problems every day. Mostly after sending a messages, the forum shuts down for me. I have to close the browser window, open it again and go back into the forum. Normally, after doing that I can connect again, but sometimes nothings helps and I can not connect to the forum for long periods. Quite boring, specially if I wrote some replies, but when I try to connect to the forum to send then, my connection is down. Strangely, no problem to connect with other websites, while the connection to the forum is down.

[villager]

Dear villager, coming back to the boat people “incident”. The following in italics is from The Nation;

“Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government had agreed to meet the UN refugee agency and had also offered to host a regional meeting with all concerned countries to try to tackle the root cause of the problem.”

Seems like Abhisit is too dump to see what the real problem is, or he is very clever and tries to distract from the real problem. The problem in hand, is that Thailand has acted against human rights mistreating refugees and sending the boat people back to sea. The only concerned country here is Thailand itself. Accusations are made against his government, for acting inhumanly.

“The military has denied acting in an inhumane way but pictures emerged recently of a boat full of Rohingyas being towed out to sea.”

It looks like there are solid proves and eye witnesses, showing and telling that Thailand has acted wrongly. Still they try to deny everything. Abhi seems not to realize, that in this case he is on a fast sinking ship. I understand that it is difficult to admit wrong doing, but to deny it, makes him loose the little credibility he may have had.

I guess that Abhisit does not want to loose his face admitting, that they have done wrong. But I wonder if it is worth it to risk your head?

The question may be, how much more bs will the international community take before they start the take some measures against the Thai government? And what could those measures be?

“in regards to the forum web services i too have problems from time to time, i,ve tried shutting down and starting up again , but its just same , after an hour or so it go,s right again.”

Well villager, not that I am computer wizard, but I have the problems every day. Mostly after sending a messages, the forum shuts down for me. I have to close the browser window, open it again and go back into the forum. Normally, after doing that I can connect again, but sometimes nothings helps and I can not connect to the forum for long periods. Quite boring, specially if I wrote some replies, but when I try to connect to the forum to send then, my connection is down. Strangely, no problem to connect with other websites, while the connection to the forum is down.

Yeah , its only this last day or two i,ve had problems , i Suppose it will iron itself out in the end , in regards to the answer given by Abhisit about the "boat people incident" for me only a completely independent inquiry is good enough , i,m aware of the answers he may have received but in the end its his job to get to the truth and restore Thailands already tarnished image to the outside world, i had hoped for better things evidently i could well be wrong .

[caramel1982]

Excellent post. I am not a pro politician though but I really enjoyed reading your posts from page 1 up to the last page. It's interesting.

By the way I am not from Thailand but in a week or 2 I will be there as a tourist. I will tour around the wonderful places of Thailand.

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