Abhisit: at what price?

[bird]

Born Mark Abhisit Vejjajiva; 3 August 1964 in Newcastle England a politician who was the 27th Prime Minister of Thailand from 2008 to 2011 and is the current leader of the Democrat Party. As leader of the House of Representatives, he is also Leader of the Opposition no longer Prime Minister after a July 2011 landslide defeat considered a slap down by the Thai people for his bungled treatment of protestor in May of 2010 which resulted in over 103 deaths. Abhisit censored thousands of Web sites, shut down hundreds of radio stations, and arrested and silenced many media figures and opposition and labor leaders, claiming that they insulted ////// Bhumibol.[13][14] Human Rights Watch called Abhisit "the most prolific censor in recent Thai history" and Freedom House downgraded Thailand's rating of media freedom to "not free."[15] [16] Abhisit also advocated for stronger anti-corruption measures, although several members of his Cabinet resigned due to corruption scandals and parts of his economic stimulus packages were criticized for instances of alleged corruption.

[namrepus]

In fact, those who voted for PT knows full well that Yingluck and PT is Taksin and that's the platform that PT runs the election.

I can't disagree with this statement.

I agree that since the flooding is a 'natural disaster', that Yingluck shouldn't be to blame. And my heart bleeds for this poor little rich girl who is suffering and showing her lack of ability to lead. However, what she should be blamed for, is her’s and her government's ineffective, ineffectual, and tardy delays in any integrated relief to the 2mm people and industries affected by this natural disaster. While she tours the affected areas looking pretty in her Burberrys, walking on man-made 'catwalks' to keep her dry, and getting photo ops; those she put in charge are fighting over who's actually in charge and what to do.

Finally what happened to those red leaders who were gifted with ministerial and parliamentary positions for their loyalty to Yingluck’s brother, by creating a man-made disaster for the cities of Bangkok and Pattya, and the Country by their crude and obnoxious demonstrations, that they, turned and instilled into violence. Where are they now when those who suffered for them are under water?? Oh yeah, they're creating anarchy again! And instructing volenteers who go to the Provinces to wear red!

What price Abhisit?

The question is now What Price Yingluck? This is the price we pay for thaksin's clone. IMHO, too expensive and costly for the country as a whole!

[flippogirl]

Dear Namrepus,

Of course, you can always find a way to twist and turn to blame it on Thaksin.

But, really, what makes you (and a lot of other people) that Bangkok has the right to escape the same fate as the people North of Bangkok, and what gives Bangkok the right to divert to problem to areas in the East and West of Bangkok that, if the "normal" flow of the water had not been obstructed, had seen very little or no flooding.

The fact that Bangkok is now facing a potential disastrous flooding is thanks to Mr. Sukhumband (a Democrat) and his insistence in keeping the water out of Bangkok for as long as possible. This ensured a build-up of water that is now only very slowly going somewhere, and puts the "temporary" floodwall at the risk of collapse.

Only when Ms. Yingluck issued the Disaster decree, she could overrule him.
But in all reality, water should have flown through Bangkok, causing some inconvenience, for a long time already, and not delay the inevitable.

I feel that, given the obstructions that were put in her way, and her "supposed ignorance" she's doing a pretty good job.

[mr_me]

interestingly enough i live in inner Bangkok and my household has decided that we should share the burden!

[namrepus]

interestingly enough i live in inner Bangkok and my household has decided that we should share the burden!

Such a phrasing to use, "interestingly enough", neither an admssion nor acceptance. but it does show some grain of openness to thought. However,you should re-consider and give deep thought to the notion if Bangkok floods, that there will be nil to minimal commercial, financial, industrial, and managerial activity, as well as deminished governance - QED; it wouldn't then be the impetus to pull the rest of the country out of the flood waters and back to prosperity. Additionally, the credibilty of the country in the eyes of the world, tourist, potential foreign investors and affected foreign investors will be lessened thus contributing to a delay in rehabilitation.

Consider this: it will take the time for the fields to dry for the farmers to plant again and reap their harvest. It will take optimistically six months to re-tool submerged machinery, as well as many more months to replace and set-up damaged equipment and machinery; clearly we will have lost about a year in much needed earnings from exports and comercial activities. With floods in Bangkok and stoppage to industrial, commercial, and financial transaction would be on a scale worse than the closing of the center of Bangkok over three months and to a lesser degree the days when the air[port was takenover.

[flippogirl]

Namrepus,

As long as the water is stopped from flowing through Bangkok, the flooding will keep crippling the Thai Economy (7 industrial estates flooded remember).
On top of that many rice fields unavailable.

The longer the flooding stays there, the longer it will take to start rebuilding.
On top of that the risk that Foreign Investors don't find it worth rebuilding and pull out of the country and rebuild in a cheaper and safer country.

Opening the floodwalls around Bangkok will drain out all the flood water in 7-10 days.

Keep on blocking it will take 1-2 months to drain all and start rebuilding.

I wonder which cost will be higher (mind you, keep on blocking doesn't guarantee no flooding in Bangkok)

I live in Bangkok, house on street level, projected to have about 1m of flood water in my Living room. We already accepted that, let the water come!

[Voice]

If witchdoctor can make rain why don't they try to stop it! just for once. Of course if they can really do it, it would have happen by now and if we do know that we would get a bucket of rain today we might just have enough time to correcting the rainwater. But since we all have no clue to what nature going to have its say! how can we really blame the person in charge. This problem that we have isn't new, that for sure! Since 1990 they have planned to build mass sewage system in and around Bangkok but why it didn't happen................of course no one ever though of it again WHY?

[namrepus]

If witchdoctor can make rain why don't they try to stop it! just for once. Of course if they can really do it, it would have happen by now and if we do know that we would get a bucket of rain today we might just have enough time to correcting the rainwater. But since we all have no clue to what nature going to have its say! how can we really blame the person in charge. This problem that we have isn't new, that for sure! Since 1990 they have planned to build mass sewage system in and around Bangkok but why it didn't happen................of course no one ever though of it again WHY?

Hi voice, do you think that maybe you posted in the wrong blog?

However you did pose a good question: "how can we really blame the person in charge?" Quite easily, because she not in charge since the relief efforts - not the rain or witch doctors or buckets of rain or nature or the past or no one thought about. . . - and her management is disorganized as such her leadership is being called in question. And it shows that she has many short-comings.

[garrysch]

The seeds of this flood began many months ago when the reservoirs were allowed to fill up to twice the normal levels, long before Yingluck took office. Abhisit is the reason we have the catastrophe today.

If Abhisit is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

[namrepus]

The seeds of this flood began many months ago when the reservoirs were allowed to fill up to twice the normal levels, long before Yingluck took office. Abhisit is the reason we have the catastrophe today.

If Abhisit is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

Such a wild accusation that I'm hoping you can back up that Abhisit caused this natural disaster. You should have also said that he seeded the clouds in September, so that it rained just to make matters worse for yingluck.

yingluck has no answers; maybe she (or you) should ask karun hosakul, nattawut, or jathuporn - that is if you're looking for stupidity.