Drug cases on the rise

[Ian]

Drug usage is as much a psychological problem as a police one, why do users turn to drugs in the first place? Remove one drug type/source and another will appear. Non medical drug usage has existed for millenia, so one has to ask why, it cuts across class and culture, rich and poor, American or Chinese, all nations contain drug users, often with a drug specific to that region. Get rid of the amphetamine trade and something will take its place, if nothing else alcohol.
Most smalltime pushers are doing so to support their own habit, some drugs do not need vast fields of poppies or cacao plants, cannabis can be grown in a flower pot, amphetamines produced in a kitchen.
This is not a problem than can be solved by the police or even assassinations, it has to be dealt with by removing the causes, the need for drugs.
This topic says drug cases on the rise, no comment writer so far has asked why? Surely this is an important question to ask if a solution is needed.

wow ian, agree 100%. not the drugs are the problem, but the abuse and the big money earned with them being illegal.
first legalize them and the biggest part of the problem will vanish into thin air.
drugs THEN can be controlled & will be 'clean'. see 'prohibition' in the usa. the second and more severe problem is WHY?
you ask, we ask, we have no simple answer. we suggest it's 'desperation', lack of chance, urge to 'escape'.
and here it's getting really difficult. do you agree? and/or what do you suggest?? looking forward are scy & friends....

Also a reply to SJB's previous comment.

The main motivation for young people apart from peer pressure seem to be psychological, a sense of inadequacy, depression, lack of social skills, feelings of isolation, not belonging, alienation.
Drug users hang around together, form little social groups, network together.
Others take drugs to enhance sensations, sexual, musical, artistic, or simply to enhance concentration and inventiveness, as in poets and writers.
Thus there are really two classes of drug users, the alienated first type and the seekers after mental enhancement, the second type.
I think this topic is directed at the first type.

[stilljustbrowsing]

Drug usage is as much a psychological problem as a police one, why do users turn to drugs in the first place? Remove one drug type/source and another will appear. Non medical drug usage has existed for millenia, so one has to ask why, it cuts across class and culture, rich and poor, American or Chinese, all nations contain drug users, often with a drug specific to that region. Get rid of the amphetamine trade and something will take its place, if nothing else alcohol.
Most smalltime pushers are doing so to support their own habit, some drugs do not need vast fields of poppies or cacao plants, cannabis can be grown in a flower pot, amphetamines produced in a kitchen.
This is not a problem than can be solved by the police or even assassinations, it has to be dealt with by removing the causes, the need for drugs.
This topic says drug cases on the rise, no comment writer so far has asked why? Surely this is an important question to ask if a solution is needed.

wow ian, agree 100%. not the drugs are the problem, but the abuse and the big money earned with them being illegal.
first legalize them and the biggest part of the problem will vanish into thin air.
drugs THEN can be controlled & will be 'clean'. see 'prohibition' in the usa. the second and more severe problem is WHY?
you ask, we ask, we have no simple answer. we suggest it's 'desperation', lack of chance, urge to 'escape'.
and here it's getting really difficult. do you agree? and/or what do you suggest?? looking forward are scy & friends....

Also a reply to SJB's previous comment.

The main motivation for young people apart from peer pressure seem to be psychological, a sense of inadequacy, depression, lack of social skills, feelings of isolation, not belonging, alienation.
Drug users hang around together, form little social groups, network together.
Others take drugs to enhance sensations, sexual, musical, artistic, or simply to enhance concentration and inventiveness, as in poets and writers.
Thus there are really two classes of drug users, the alienated first type and the seekers after mental enhancement, the second type.
I think this topic is directed at the first type.

Thanks Ian, I go along with what you have said. to a degree. I started drinking because all my friends did and I knew no better, similar with the ciggy thing. At least I am aware of what I have done and am doing, drug addicts appear to have lost all awareness of reality, but for them, their world is reallity. I never killed, robbed or hurt someone just to have a drink or smoke a ciggy. The same cannot be said for others!

[stilljustbrowsing]

Perhaps so, but at least I know that I am a fool! So as such, who is the real fool. Those that admit to being foolish or those that think they are perfect?

[stilljustbrowsing]

Perhaps so, but at least I know that I am a fool! So as such,
who is the real fool. Those that admit to being foolish or those that think they are perfect?

Silly question like most of your 2,000 odd posts - are you after some kind of record
Do you enjoy prowling this forum acting the fool without ever posting something the slightest bit risque or contraversial
Who is the real fool. Those that admit to being foolish or those that think they are perfect
If you have to ask the question, doesn't that make you the fool ? and if you think that striving to be the best in any field of endeavour is being foolish then you are twice the fool you were before

It was a generalisation with no particular target, however, if the cap fits....
Perhaps you may have noticed that my posts are reactive rather than proactive? You may also have missed my risque posts because some fool removed them! Excuse me while I take another swig of my beer and light up another cigarrette!
BTW, only half of my posts are odd, the rest are (mathmatically ) even!
You take care PapaD, in many forum posts I have agreed with your comments. Sometimes we dissagree, that's OK.
Two negatives make a positive so what?

[sulasno]

"What's a cigarette ...It's a fire on one end and a fool on t'other "...

and which side are you on papa?

on the other side of you I suppose

[stilljustbrowsing]

In the "first case scenario" I think that the only way out is to legalise it. (I do not condone hard drugs BTW)
The reason I say this is manyfold.
1. No control, no checks on what is actually being sold. People die.
2. No one is accountable.
3. The governments are losing a big tax revenue! (and how much does it cost to "police", incriminate, prosecute, and incarserate?)
4. Those that want drugs will use any means available to them. (not good)
5. Look at what happened in the USA during the years of banned alcohol. (prohibition)
6. Some drugs aleviate pain (MS sufferers, but they could end up in jail)
So, what do you (multi-directional), generally really think? Am I being stu.pid, or do I have a valid point, however anti-social my thoughts may appear to be?

[stilljustbrowsing]

Why is the Mediterranian Sea named as such? So goes our history hey?
I love this stuff! Names of the week days in English, brilliant when one knows the history, even the names of the months. (why is the twelth month called number 10 for example!)
OK, so I am just being foolish again, but nevermind, we are all born to die. Someone says they "saved a live?" Not really, only prolonged it a bit, for death is inevitable!
Strategies are only good if you have good tacticians!

[stilljustbrowsing]

In the "first case scenario" I think that the only way out is to legalise it. (I do not condone hard drugs BTW)
The reason I say this is manyfold.
1. No control, no checks on what is actually being sold. People die.
2. No one is accountable.
3. The governments are losing a big tax revenue! (and how much does it cost to "police", incriminate, prosecute, and incarserate?)
4. Those that want drugs will use any means available to them. (not good)
5. Look at what happened in the USA during the years of banned alcohol. (prohibition)
6. Some drugs aleviate pain (MS sufferers, but they could end up in jail)
So, what do you (multi-directional), generally really think? Am I being stu.pid, or do I have a valid point, however anti-social my thoughts may appear to be?

your thoughts may 'appear' anti social, but only because society seems to be stupid, NOT YOU!
we think the real bad 'pushers' are those old men who think other people are worth less & THEY are superior.
what we need is 'compassion' & understanding, NOT condemnation & wise talking.
we need clear emotionless thinking and a multi tier strategy....the enemy is NOT the user, it's the pusher...

Ah yeah, Steppenwolf.... "magic carpet ride" and "the pusher(-man)" There is a lot of truth to be found in songs!

[Ian]

Nearly all addicted individuals believe in the beginning that they can stop using drugs on their own, and most try to stop without treatment. However, most of these attempts result in failure to achieve long-term abstinence.

Research has shown that long-term drug use results in significant changes in brain function that persist long after the individual stops using drugs. These drug-induced changes in brain function may have many behavioral consequences, including the compulsion to use drugs despite adverse consequences -- the defining characteristic of addiction.

Drug rehab

If all the money I have spent on tobacco products in my lifetime had been paid into a deposit account in a bank, I'd be a multimillionaire by now, and that is no exaggeration.