Thai infrastructure

[Voice]

Drake wrote “Voice, I'm just using said company as an example of someone in Thailand who has enough resource to boot up a fab.
I'm pretty sure the reason no Thai investor had ventured in to this arena is due to lack of understanding in semicon technology.
I mean, it doesn't really cost THAT much to boot up a simple solar cell mfg. plant for local consumption but nobody in Thailand had bothered. Too bad.

I could answer you that question! They prefer to piggyback ride on foreigner money chest rather spend their own money. Look at the law for foreign partnership you only hold 49%while Thai hold 51% and you have to put up all of the money. So they get an easy ride to the bank every month without having to put anything in.

[prommee_NE]

Talking of Solar Panels....I was chatting to a manufacturer of them (from raw materials) about five years ago on a hospital balcony in Udon Thani. He had moved his company from China to Khon Kaen because the workforce was much better in Thailand (not because it was cheaper!)...and was manufacturing very good solar panels...but only for export. The internal market was using an inferior quality panel manufactured somewhere else closer to BKK. (maybe he would say that but look it up and you will see the differences)

The point I would like to make however, is that electricity as it is currently created in Thailand is so much cheaper than solar energy that solar has no chance of entering the main market on the same scale as (say) Germany. There are however other energy alternatives that are better suited to the physical and climatic conditions in Thailand. Biomass is one such resource that has been experimented with on a small scale...but could be used in many villages and make them more self-sufficient...especially if the machinery included the production of compost. There are machines that have been designed in Denmark and possibly elsewhere that are ideal for village use...that are much cheaper than the solar panels provided as Government grants to places without electricity (or were provided in a former pre-coup era)...they rely on ready available current waste products with the addition of a small area of easily grown fuel. It would of course remove a source of income from the Electricity Providers...but would help the village communities and Thailand in general tremendously.

[Greenfrog]

How about cleanliness? Read the following comment on another forum.
Is Thailand really this bad?

http://forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewto ... c&start=82

"Thailand is a frigging third world country. When I first went there in 2005 I was disgusted by how third world it looked, with all the disgusting smog, the drains were full of rats running about. I had never seen such a disgusting sight as I was only used to first world countries having studied in the west for 4 yrs and worked for over 1.5 yrs.

out of all the disgusting backwater third world countries and cities around SG, KL is the most manageable among these third world cities.

Do you know how much the average graduate makes in Thailand? The fact that you still need to spend about under S$3 for a meal in a food court there, about S$1 less than a food court in Singapore, makes the place a bigger joke.

All your retorts strangely, highlight what a great place SG is compared to the country you tried to compare with."

[Voice]

Greenfrog wrote “How about cleanliness? Read the following comment on another forum.
Is Thailand really this bad?

http://forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewto ... c&start=82

"Thailand is a frigging third world country. When I first went there in 2005 I was disgusted by how third world it looked, with all the disgusting smog, the drains were full of rats running about. I had never seen such a disgusting sight as I was only used to first world countries having studied in the west for 4 yrs and worked for over 1.5 yrs.

out of all the disgusting backwater third world countries and cities around SG, KL is the most manageable among these third world cities.

Do you know how much the average graduate makes in Thailand? The fact that you still need to spend about under S$3 for a meal in a food court there, about S$1 less than a food court in Singapore, makes the place a bigger joke.

All your retorts strangely, highlight what a great place SG is compared to the country you tried to compare with."

Hello Greenfrog! Yes Thailand is still need a lot of work to get the right standard. What most people see is just a window dressing to keep up with the west as a lot part of the country is till very much in the third world lifestyle that you had experience. That is why we are in discussion over how it should be improves. Country like Singapore has kept up their standard learnt from the English colonisation. Thailand hasn’t had that and trying it best to copy what it can through European has develop for their country. Don’t know it all so it just a little bit of one or two pieces from here and there put it together, so they never have the whole completed one. It seems to look good from the outside but from the inside the whole structure is incompletes. We have people who graduated from abroad some with good degree but because of the whole culture of mentality and customs therefore the challenge prospects will be missing and nothing will ever happens to improves our country in the way it should. I also think our mentality has kept us away from progressing ourselves. With poor standard you will never get anything perfect. It also very strange that when these people who has good education abroad think differently when they are at home when they could see and think like people abroad. So we never progress!

[Michael Bukit]

Greenfrog wrote “How about cleanliness? Read the following comment on another forum.
Is Thailand really this bad?

http://forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewto ... c&start=82

"Thailand is a frigging third world country. When I first went there in 2005 I was disgusted by how third world it looked, with all the disgusting smog, the drains were full of rats running about. I had never seen such a disgusting sight as I was only used to first world countries having studied in the west for 4 yrs and worked for over 1.5 yrs.

out of all the disgusting backwater third world countries and cities around SG, KL is the most manageable among these third world cities.

Do you know how much the average graduate makes in Thailand? The fact that you still need to spend about under S$3 for a meal in a food court there, about S$1 less than a food court in Singapore, makes the place a bigger joke.

All your retorts strangely, highlight what a great place SG is compared to the country you tried to compare with."

Hello Greenfrog! Yes Thailand is still need a lot of work to get the right standard. What most people see is just a window dressing to keep up with the west as a lot part of the country is till very much in the third world lifestyle that you had experience. That is why we are in discussion over how it should be improves. Country like Singapore has kept up their standard learnt from the English colonisation. Thailand hasn’t had that and trying it best to copy what it can through European has develop for their country. Don’t know it all so it just a little bit of one or two pieces from here and there put it together, so they never have the whole completed one. It seems to look good from the outside but from the inside the whole structure is incompletes. We have people who graduated from abroad some with good degree but because of the whole culture of mentality and customs therefore the challenge prospects will be missing and nothing will ever happens to improves our country in the way it should. I also think our mentality has kept us away from progressing ourselves. With poor standard you will never get anything perfect. It also very strange that when these people who has good education abroad think differently when they are at home when they could see and think like people abroad. So we never progress!

Hi Voice. What make you think so that country like Singapore has kept up their standard learnt from the English colonisation. FYI, what make Singapore today is because they had uncorrupt and good leadership government. Many people have thought the same like you when they discuss about Singapore achievements. When the British left Singapore, Singapore is just a third or fourth world country with nothing except the Singaporean. No resources at all and even waters had imported from Malaysia. Because of their good leadership and uncorrupt government and the hardworking people that how they prospers until today. There are many countries colonized by the British before and today they are still a third world country. Look at Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and many more in the continent of Africa.
In Asia, you only see 2 places that are colonized by the British that are doing pretty well. That’s Singapore and Hong Kong because of their hardworking people. The rest are still struggling and some are doing just fine, except country like Brunei with oil.

[taurus]

Hi Micheal ,yeah I'm inclined to agree with you on the question of Singapore, but as Voice is Thai he has to be commended for pointing out his Country's failings ,as to the reasons why is not really that Important ,but at least he is brutally honest, which as you may be aware is a rare quality indeed when it comes from a Thai criticizing his own Country

[Michael Bukit]

Hi Micheal ,yeah I'm inclined to agree with you on the question of Singapore, but as Voice is Thai he has to be commended for pointing out his Country's failings ,as to the reasons why is not really that Important ,but at least he is brutally honest, which as you may be aware is a rare quality indeed when it comes from a Thai criticizing his own Country

Hi Taurus, many thanks for your comment for your comments on my earlier posting. How I wish all Thais think like Voice and Thailand will be a very prosperous country. What I am trying to interpret in my comment is that if a country runs by poor leadership and corrupt government, the country is going to achieve anything and going nowhere except failure. There are many countries that have been colonized by the west before and once after independence they all fall apart because of poor leadership and corrupt governments.

[taurus]

Yeah Micheal,any prize on the top shelf for your remarks , a prime example is the Many African states who on gaining Independence from the various European "colonel rulers " soon found themselves in the "doldrums" and far far worse off , with wholesale corruption and brutal oppression on a monumental scale which makes Thailands problems pale into insignificance ,Mugabe's Zimbabwe springs readily to mind ,

[Voice]

Michael wrote “Hi Voice. What make you think so that country like Singapore has kept up their standard learnt from the English colonisation. FYI, what make Singapore today is because they had uncorrupt and good leadership government. Many people have thought the same like you when they discuss about Singapore achievements. When the British left Singapore, Singapore is just a third or fourth world country with nothing except the Singaporean. No resources at all and even waters had imported from Malaysia. Because of their good leadership and uncorrupt government and the hardworking people that how they prospers until today. There are many countries colonized by the British before and today they are still a third world country. Look at Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and many more in the continent of Africa.
In Asia, you only see 2 places that are colonized by the British that are doing pretty well. That’s Singapore and Hong Kong because of their hardworking people. The rest are still struggling and some are doing just fine, except country like Brunei with oil.

Look Michael I can agree with some of your comment but what make you think they are uncorrupt! Yes they have good leader without a doubt. Singapore chooses to keep up with their standard because they have a good example without it they would be like other. I know many good and corrupt people in Singapore but because they have only few million people it easy for them to manage. But it no denying that they do work very hard and always have very high standard in everything that they do. Even today they still have the old colony influence and they have adapted to their own style. We cannot achieve our goal without keeping up with good standard Michael. We all have a choice Michael but whether we choose to do them it something that make us different.

[Michael Bukit]

Michael wrote “Hi Voice. What make you think so that country like Singapore has kept up their standard learnt from the English colonisation. FYI, what make Singapore today is because they had uncorrupt and good leadership government. Many people have thought the same like you when they discuss about Singapore achievements. When the British left Singapore, Singapore is just a third or fourth world country with nothing except the Singaporean. No resources at all and even waters had imported from Malaysia. Because of their good leadership and uncorrupt government and the hardworking people that how they prospers until today. There are many countries colonized by the British before and today they are still a third world country. Look at Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and many more in the continent of Africa.
In Asia, you only see 2 places that are colonized by the British that are doing pretty well. That’s Singapore and Hong Kong because of their hardworking people. The rest are still struggling and some are doing just fine, except country like Brunei with oil.

Look Michael I can agree with some of your comment but what make you think they are uncorrupt! Yes they have good leader without a doubt. Singapore chooses to keep up with their standard because they have a good example without it they would be like other. I know many good and corrupt people in Singapore but because they have only few million people it easy for them to manage. But it no denying that they do work very hard and always have very high standard in everything that they do. Even today they still have the old colony influence and they have adapted to their own style. We cannot achieve our goal without keeping up with good standard Michael. We all have a choice Michael but whether we choose to do them it something that make us different.

Hi Khun Voice, thanks and good to see your reply to my earlier comments. When I said uncorrupt I don’t mean totally zero corruption. I mean minimize. Corruption is everywhere and every country. Click this link and have a look the least corrupt country in the world. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_c ... corruption FYI, the first economic adviser to Singapore was Albert Winsemius a Dutch citizen. What Singapore had achieved today got not much to do with British colonization. But I will say the bigger influenced in the use of English and of course the laws that set by the British. You can go to this link to read more about him if you wish. http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/200 ... space.html
If you had good advisers and doesn’t have good leaders, honest government, hardworking people and leaders that are not wishing to listen and take other advises it is useless. Singapore achievement is because they had all these and the leaders are willing to accept advises and listen to others. They then implements systems given by the advisers and at the same time improves them. You mention that because they have only few million people it easy for them to manage. This is what many people have thought. But look Khun Voice, there are many countries in this world with small population like Singapore and has been colonized by White European before with many natural resources but they are not doing as well today. And look at Japan with not much resources too and the population is almost 130 million, Korea with 50 million, Germany with 80 over million just to name a few. Their population is not small but they are doing well too. Or can we say they are doing well because they had a large population? To me population is not the issue. The leaders in the country must be honest, minimize corruption, capable to set good systems, provide good education to educate the population, good rules & regulations, laws and most importance they must also enforce them.
Talk about the size of country and population. When the British withdraw from Singapore, the Brit had actually return Singapore to Malaysia in 1963. Then Singapore became part of Malaysia again. In 1965 Singapore was throw out of Malaysia and became independence. Because of Malaysia could not agreed with the minister of Singapore demands OR policies. Malaysia thought that if you are demanding all they wants it is better to throw you out and let you swim in the big deep ocean till you start asking for helps. Thinking that Singapore is so small and will not last and survive for more than a few years. Best is to kick them out first and then let them beg Malaysia to take them back if they can’t survive anymore. And Malaysia could have the right to say look, we can take you back but this is the terms & conditions. Accept it or forget it. Who will be so generous to give away an island the size of Singapore to other? A piece of only 4.6 sq kilometer of land at the border of Cambodia already with so many problems.Fortunately Singapore had survived until today and doing much better than Malaysia. Now the Malaysian has said the same thing like you. Singapore had made it because it is small and easy to manage. Today Singapore infrastructure is ones of the best in the world. Public transportation is first class and cheap too. I’ve spent many years living in Singapore that’s how I come to understand.