PAD and foreigners

[Just-1-Voice]

Hey, pachangamac042

Bosang is about 12 km east of the city of Chiang Mai. As for leaving your darling onshore, that's fine, as mine would gladly stay with her since she can't swim at all.

[pachangamac042]

Just-1, I read about yellows Rolls Royce venture under the other topic as well and replied to your own post. He is persona non grata for myself.

[SARDINES]

Depending on the political situation, after the first of the year my wife and I plan to start teaching English, and other subjects, to as many of the children near us who are unable to attend school. Two hours a day, 5 days a week in our home, at no cost to the children or their parents. We have a Se-Lor driver who has volunteered to pick the children up, bring them to our house, then return in 2 hours to take them home.

We are doing this not for any form of "gratitude" or "recognition" from anyone, but because we both want to help these children and possibly - possibly - open some doors for them that will give them a better life than what they are facing now. Are those the actions and motivations of someone who feels "superior"???

J1V.... My thanks to you for your efforts and graciousness in helping my people!!!! Cheers to you....

SARDINES

[Just-1-Voice]

Sardines.

I really can't describe the feeling I get when my wife and I approach a parent and tell them we are willing to teach their children as much as we can, at no cost to them. We get looks that range from incredulous disbelief to tears of gratitude. And the children? They WANT to learn and can't wait to get started. Its not going to be easy at due to my limited Thai language skills (which is where my wife comes in), and I'm sure there will be times when she and I look at each other and say: "What did we get ourselves into?" But we're going to try and make it fun for them, try to open their minds to more than just the small world around them, teach them to think, and empower them with the knowledge they they can make a difference. All I ask is that God give me the time to make a difference in the life of just one child.

[Jeffro]

Jeffro, sextourism is here to stay and we got to live with it. What is wrong for a lonely foreign man to come to Thailand and live a dream? You can be a so called sextourist and still behave like an educated, reasonable person. Just treat the ladies with the respect they deserve. Treat them as human beings and not as a ware.

I agree, treat the ladies with respect they deserve? 'Don't use them as a way of getting your rocks off'.
Treat them as human beings and not as wares. 'Don't buy them with money'.

If you want to help them, help them pay for an education. Help their kids get an education. Or help their village by working with world vision and creating employment. Your payment will be the feeling that you have really helped someone.

You think you are being friendly to them. But you are using them, you will then go back to your country and forget them. They will be left with servicing the next tourist. They will be looked down upon and maybe die with aids.

[Jeffro]

Sardines has got the right idea.

[Lt Kata]

J-1-V

I want to tell you a small story about teaching the kids,
I have because of my past job given few laptops and computers to my friends to teach the children english and other things
I have bought the full collection of Thai english Cds call visual Dictionnary wher you show a thing , animal or other things and you got the prononciation in Thai or English...This Audio visual procede is so easy to use...Been an IT i Have build for me a special computer that I ll connect to a 52 inches LCD and be able to teach the children...As you must know the audio visual is the best way to learn.
My Thai is very poor Mr Lam only tech me bad things for fun but if God want I will be happy to invite you when I will have settle in Lom Sak to come and see what I have done...I agree 150% the kids want learn but don't got the possibilities or the money...This way is to show our Love to Thai people...

In 2003 after my heart surgery I was becoming a scared and lonely person, my friends Thai gave me a taste to live by their friendship and love...

I had a bad aventure with a Thai Lady that I want to take out of the prostitution I marry her in Australia give a lot of money to her and her family...I pay the trip to papa, mama and her to Australia I look after them for 3 months as they had no money...I gave them money took them every where around Cairns...after my wedding I flew 2 -3 times to obtain the wife visa that I got in 5 weeks...after she got her visa she din't want come to Australia she want me to bring papa and mama thing that I will have done with all my heart but because of visa rules I cannot bring them before 6 months to live in AUS
I wait 2 months and she didn't come I gave her a Visa card with only I refill it 3 times in 2 months...
I gave papa money to fix his house ( What he call house) instead to do it they had parties blowing the money instead of do the job...Any way I was warn and went ther in surprise and se that she was not living with her parents and had a condo she din't want to come see me...I cut the money but cut it completly... That have cost me my business and my house here in AUS and gave me a lot of sadness until I meet my family Thai who never ask me for something ...NEVER
If some Thai people are Bad there is a lot more whom will be honest with you...
We got bad people every where in the world...You must never loose faith because of one bad person...

My wife that I don't have divorced yet but cancel her Visa to AUS ring me or contact me is for money. I am not angry with herit was my mistake at the first instance.
A pig you cut his tail it is still a pig
I think that Rural Thailand is absolutly magnificent...An Thai people in country are the Real Thai

[pachangamac042]

Dear Jeffro, we are far away off from the topic here, but I want to reply to you and hope that other people forgive me for doing so, or they may just ignore the following lines.

Generally I do agree with you but I think that you are not too realistic or you just want the easy way out. I do not know with how many ladies from the horizontal business you have talked in your live, if any at all and that is not disrespecting.

Well I have been around those bars and ladies for many years and have even made some friends. I have talked with them for hours and translated or just read letters to them from “boyfriends” abroad. So I may think that I have a little idea about the trade and the ladies.

Look, there are different ladies in the business and you can not just generalize them all, ok? So I will try to describe some differences, the way I have been confronted with them.

There are the ones in the bars, who are there for real despair (desesperacion). Often with similar stories. The daddy is a useless alcoholic, too big families, nobody who can take care of them and debts with the risk to losing house and land. Basic education with no chance to get a proper paid job. Only way out is to join the game to be able to provide for the family and pay back the banks.

There are the poor and basic educated village ladies, who went down to Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket to work in factories or other businesses, making little money for hard work. They find out what other ladies can earn in the trade, up to four or five thousand Bath some days and nights. They join the trade for poor greed and the dream of the quick and big bucks.

There are the ladies in the bars, who have one or more regular boyfriends abroad sending them regularly money. They could easily retire back home and have a decent live in their village, but are still in the bars. Greed? Thrill?

Now, you come here and want to safe them with; “help them pay for an education. Help their kids get an education. Or help their village by working with world vision and creating employment. Your payment will be the feeling that you have really helped someone.”

My question to you, do you really think that the second and third ones mentioned above, are interested in any way in you wanting to help them? Nothing wrong with helping out the first ones mentioned, but where is that world vision duda thing? I hope that you do not expect me to be that world vision dream and take care off the first ones mentioned above. I would be very happy to do so, but have not the necessary change to do so. It sounds to me that, that world vision thing is just an other dream which does not come true in reality. This country and its people do not really need visions, they need acts.

It is a complex problem with no easy solutions. I do not see the trade as a cancer for the country because the trade is around in most countries in the world. I have no idea, how many percents of people travelling to Thailand are sextourist but I think that they are a minority. So, I think that there are other issues at hand in Thailand which seem to be more important to me than the trade. Probably it just sells better to write and report about the trade then doing it about, Thai food, temples or beaches for example. That is why we should not get carried away too much with this subject.

I hope I was able to give you a little inside of the trade, from my humble point of view. I hope as well that you do not feel offended or patronized by my lines above.

[pachangamac042]

Lt Kata, a little wisdom, “It is easy to take a girl out of the bar, but it is very difficult to take the bar out of the girl”.

I feel sorry for your bad experience and the lost you had to take. What happened to you has happened to friends of mine and it is just not right. But do not think that they are all the same, the bar girls I mean.

I have some other friends who married bar girls and took them to Europe. Those ladies were full of gratitude and understood that it was their unique chance out off hell and they took it. They are married for more then 10 years with kids, fun and happiness. The ladies all got jobs and learned to safe money. They all have their own houses in Thailand and are happy for the chance they had.

Not all are bad, but you got to be very lucky. Some ladies are just too stu*pid, to understand what chance is offered to them and keep messing around after they got married to a foreigner, behaving like bar girls and threatening their husbands as customers or ATM’s. Those are the ones with not much future and no happiness. Sad that when those ladies realize the chance they missed it is too late already.

Good luck to you Lt Kata and screw your wife. Sorry…

[Just-1-Voice]

Lt. Kata.

PLEASE tell me where you bought the Visual Dictionaries. I have bee searching for things like that but have yet to really find any.