The PAD's Blockade of Government House and Parliament

[thailand lover]

yea i guess ur rite. since no one is sure who is right, and since there is no absolute right in the first place, all this discussion and quarelling will lead no where.

so wat is it that we can do to improve the situation? is there anything that we as 'peacemongers' can do? i don think many of us like the current state of affairs..

[ThaiGriend]

I agree that the PAD’s stated goal of substituting votes for nominations is, in fact, inherently undemocratic. And the idea that groups of people are incapable of exercising good judgment based on their political choices in the past is… well, borderline racist. Yes, racist. Racism of social status. As in, poor people are stupid so they mustn’t be allowed to exercise a vote.

Who the hell are you, PAD, to want to remove people’s right to choose? Because they will go with whoever hands out the most cash or favors in the villages? Well, guess what, those people need money, development, schools for their children, jobs to go to, medical services, etc. etc. Thaksin is loved there because he came, and doctors followed.

I have been to Isaan, and Kanchanaburi, and any number of places where I had the chance to meet (and become friends with) many Thai. I also, on my last visit, had the good fortune to witness a local election. It is true that the people joke and laugh about who gave the most. It is also true that this doesn’t guarantee loyalty. They DO think about who is who, and who can do the best job. They’re just SO poor. Help is help, whoever is handing it out.

Shame on you PAD. The world is looking to your Thai brothers and sisters for answers on what gives with you, and your brothers and sisters are too shocked to know what to do. They feel ashamed according to my friends in Thailand.

They feel ashamed. What a horrible, terrible thing for me to hear from my Thai friends. These are among the sweetest, most hospitable people I have ever met in my life. PAD, YOU are responsible for this. Forget the world (though, we won’t forget you), you need to apologize to your Thai brothers and sisters for being so gullible and offensive…

…and violent.

I have a question for this forum; Are the PAD members who took over the airports in jail?

[Just-1-Voice]

Dear ThaiGriend.

In answer to your question: Are the PAD members who took over the airports in jail? The answer is "Of course not, nor will they ever be." Instead, one has been appointed as Foreign Minister, while others have been given cushy government jobs as "advisors" and "secretaries".

The rest of the democratic world is looking at Thailand and shaking there heads, wondering what the hell is going on when terrorists are rewarded instead of being arrested and punished. At the upcoming ASEAN meeting, I have a feeling the Finance Ministers of the other countries will simply ignore our new F.M., as they know she doesn't have a clue as to what her job is, so why waste their time even talking to her when she's already proven that she's incapable of giving any form of intelligent reply to the questions that have been put to her so far.

I see more dark days and sadness ahead in a land that was once filled with sunshine and smiles.

[ThaiGriend]

Dear Just-1-Voice,

Thank you for answering my question. Unfortunately, I thought your answer would be the answer I would get. I’m also dismayed by your contemplation of what will happen at ASEAN…knowing in my heart of hearts that you’re most likely correct.

You know, as someone from a democracy, I must admit to having had a certain admiration at first for the PAD demonstrations. After all, the struggle for democracy has a story for just about every nation that is a democracy today. But once the airports got taken over it became immediately clear that the PAD was completely out of control.

Then the accounts that the PAD wanted nominations. Say what?

I have seen Thai get really angry. Watch out PAD, because your Thai brethren are percolating, big-time. You’re looking to exclude huge portions of the population from having a say in their own affairs. Majority rules. You’re just begging for Isaan to come marching to Bangkok. You really don’t want that.

And \\ ///// is showing incredible restraint in all this. His priority is the Thai people, who you’ve managed to screw. Don’t hold your breath that he’ll be amiable to what you’ve done if and when he decides it’s time to step in.

[pachangamac042]

Ups, ThaiGriend, I hope for you that you do not stay in Thailand. Your second post could cost you dearly, up to 15 years in a Thai monkey house.

[villager]

Dear ThaiGriend.

In answer to your question: Are the PAD members who took over the airports in jail? The answer is "Of course not, nor will they ever be." Instead, one has been appointed as Foreign Minister, while others have been given cushy government jobs as "advisors" and "secretaries".

The rest of the democratic world is looking at Thailand and shaking there heads, wondering what the hell is going on when terrorists are rewarded instead of being arrested and punished. At the upcoming ASEAN meeting, I have a feeling the Finance Ministers of the other countries will simply ignore our new F.M., as they know she doesn't have a clue as to what her job is, so why waste their time even talking to her when she's already proven that she's incapable of giving any form of intelligent reply to the questions that have been put to her so far.

I see more dark days and sadness ahead in a land that was once filled with sunshine and smiles.

Hi J1V, I was under the impression that someone had to be tried in a court of law and found guilty before the suitable sentence is handed down, and as no such trial has taken place in regards to the PAD it is hardly surprising that not one of them has been imprisoned is it!,LOL.

[Just-1-Voice]

Villager...

I'm trying my best to be respectful and polite towards you, but you do make it difficult for me to do so at times. You seem to consistently read only a portion of my posts and then make your replies or, for whatever reason, totally misinterpret what I say.

In response to the question by ThaiGriend I said:

Of course not, nor will they ever be." Instead, one has been appointed as Foreign Minister, while others have been given cushy government jobs as "advisors" and "secretaries".

You replied to my comment with:

Hi J1V, I was under the impression that someone had to be tried in a court of law and found guilty before the suitable sentence is handed down, and as no such trial has taken place in regards to the PAD it is hardly surprising that not one of them has been imprisoned is it!,LOL.

Now, while I agree with your assessment that people have to be charged, arrested and tried before being sentenced to prison, the fact is that none of them have been charged with any crimes associated with their actions, and most likely never will be as long as the Democrats control the government. Instead of being charged with crimes, they are being rewarded with government posts and positions. Please tell me what part of that you don't understand?

[villager]

Villager...

I'm trying my best to be respectful and polite towards you, but you do make it difficult for me to do so at times. You seem to consistently read only a portion of my posts and then make your replies or, for whatever reason, totally misinterpret what I say.

In response to the question by ThaiGriend I said:

Of course not, nor will they ever be." Instead, one has been appointed as Foreign Minister, while others have been given cushy government jobs as "advisors" and "secretaries".

You replied to my comment with:

Hi J1V, I was under the impression that someone had to be tried in a court of law and found guilty before the suitable sentence is handed down, and as no such trial has taken place in regards to the PAD it is hardly surprising that not one of them has been imprisoned is it!,LOL.

Now, while I agree with your assessment that people have to be charged, arrested and tried before being sentenced to prison, the fact is that none of them have been charged with any crimes associated with their actions, and most likely never will be as long as the Democrats control the government. Instead of being charged with crimes, they are being rewarded with government posts and positions. Please tell me what part of that you don't understand?

Hi J1V, as the "crimes" by the PAD were committed under Samaks and Somchai,s Premierships why did,t THEY make them accountable for their plainly illegal actions and charge them , it would appear that you are criticizing Abhisit for the very thing that Samak and Somchai failed to do!, and just why are you so OBSESSED with punishing the PAD when so many crimes against this country and its people are somehow of no consequence to you as long as YOUR OPINIONS ARE RESPECTED, i find it rather sad , there are hundreds of cases of crimes which have been swept under the carpet and forgotten, and yet you keep on and on about why Abhisit has failed to make the PAD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS ,straight question , do you not think that Thaksin should be held accountable for his actions in his war on drugs in 03?.

[Just-1-Voice]

Villager...

If you read my long post under "Thailand's Darkest Side" you'll find the answer to your question me in regards to Thaksin. But you ask why the previous PM's didn't do anything about the crimes of PAD. How about - THEY WERE NEVER GIVEN THE CHANCE. But if I am interpreting you correctly, you're saying that since PAD's crimes happened PRIOR to Abhist becoming PM, then they no longer have to be held accountable for them. Is that what you're saying? Is there a "Statute of Limitations" in Thai law that says if you commit a crime during the administration of one PM, that once he is gone and another takes his place, that you can no longer be punished for your crimes? I don't know if that's what your saying, but if so, wow, that would be great for criminals. Just wait till the night before a new PM is appointed to go do whatever you wanted, then avoid the police till after the new PM in in place and, bingo, your crimes vanish like the fog in a hot sun.

Ok, I answered your question in regards to Thaksin in my other post, so now let me ask you one.

Do you believe PAD violated the laws of this country with their occupations of Gvt. House and the airports, and if so, do you think they should be charged and tried for them?

I hope I didn't confuse you with a 2-part question.

[Voice]

Now! Villager, I hope you are not Gemini my friend, I think you know very well why Samak and Somchai failed to do anything if they would have the support they needed from the army rather been told by them not get into violence with the protester. No leader on this earth could make that happen. I suppose we all want some kind of justice after all, as majority of marker has been erase without permission and we all want to know why justice has not serves. The longer it take it would like keeping the pressure in the tank and left the heat to do it work soon you going to find what happen if you were to stand too close to the tank.