The PAD's Blockade of Government House and Parliament

[villager]

Villager...

If you read my long post under "Thailand's Darkest Side" you'll find the answer to your question me in regards to Thaksin. But you ask why the previous PM's didn't do anything about the crimes of PAD. How about - THEY WERE NEVER GIVEN THE CHANCE. But if I am interpreting you correctly, you're saying that since PAD's crimes happened PRIOR to Abhist becoming PM, then they no longer have to be held accountable for them. Is that what you're saying? Is there a "Statute of Limitations" in Thai law that says if you commit a crime during the administration of one PM, that once he is gone and another takes his place, that you can no longer be punished for your crimes? I don't know if that's what your saying, but if so, wow, that would be great for criminals. Just wait till the night before a new PM is appointed to go do whatever you wanted, then avoid the police till after the new PM in in place and, bingo, your crimes vanish like the fog in a hot sun.

Ok, I answered your question in regards to Thaksin in my other post, so now let me ask you one.

Do you believe PAD violated the laws of this country with their occupations of Gvt. House and the airports, and if so, do you think they should be charged and tried for them?

I hope I didn't confuse you with a 2-part question.

Hi J1V, i,d have to be "brain washed and braindead" not to aknowledge that that was many crimes committed by the PAD ,as i have written before, but just WHO backed them in spirit and in finance?, Just WHY did the military Not do its job and safeguard national security and completely disregard both Samak and Somchai , WHY are not being arrested and tried at this very moment?, you KNOW the answers just the same as I, you say they will never be brought to justice,I concur, here is were our opinions could well differ, you may blame Abhisit for his inactions, I say Abhisits hands are tied, there is a power far greater than Abhisits behind all this, and if you are a fair thinking person you will recognise it , and as i wrote before a few days ago if they ever are brought to court they will open the biggest can of worms ever seen in Thai legal history and the embarrassment it would cause will ensure that the leaders of the PAD will remain "the untouchables", i do hope that this post clears things up , i have NEVER EVER said that crimes were not committed,but my opinions as to why they will never be accountable for their actions.

Socrates, i suggest you read this AGAIN, if you don,t understand it ,may i suggest that you hit the keyboard Before the BOTTLE.

[Socrates]

I don,t know whats going on but the part were it said "Villager wrote" was NOT written by ME, but by J1V,it would appear someone has their wires Crossed!!

Villager I apologize for my failed quotations in my posting, something went wrong with the editing the quotations. Have edited my post now and posted again as it was originally intended, including correct quotation.

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DeDear Socrates, I have to repeat my self but let me quote you first; “Hi J1V, as the "crimes" by the PAD were committed under Samaks and Somchai,s Premierships why did,t THEY make them accountable for their plainly illegal actions and charge them”
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Generally, I think that you are not up to date in this forum. J1V never mentioned Thaksin to be let free, he just says, that EVERYBODY should be held accountable for their wrong doings.

Pachangamac042 as you see my post which you quote came out a little on the wrong foot, and you were actually quoting Villager even though I am to blame for this. I apologize to you too.

I am sad that you are of the opinion I’m not up to the standard you like contributors to this forum should be, however I totally respect your right to state that opinion.

[Socrates]

Hit the bottle? Better to drink the bottle don’t you think?

[villager]

I don,t know whats going on but the part were it said "Villager wrote" was NOT written by ME, but by J1V,it would appear someone has their wires Crossed!!

Villager I apologize for my failed quotations in my posting, something went wrong with the editing the quotations. Have edited my post now and posted again as it was originally intended, including correct quotation.

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DeDear Socrates, I have to repeat my self but let me quote you first; “Hi J1V, as the "crimes" by the PAD were committed under Samaks and Somchai,s Premierships why did,t THEY make them accountable for their plainly illegal actions and charge them”
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Generally, I think that you are not up to date in this forum. J1V never mentioned Thaksin to be let free, he just says, that EVERYBODY should be held accountable for their wrong doings.

Pachangamac042 as you see my post which you quote came out a little on the wrong foot, and you were actually quoting Villager even though I am to blame for this. I apologize to you too.

I am sad that you are of the opinion I’m not up to the standard you like contributors to this forum should be, however I totally respect your right to state that opinion.

No problem Socrates , I think its safe to say WE ALL KNOW why The PAD will NEVER be made answer for their Misdeeds , just the same as many other crimes which involve people of "importance" and power!.

[pachangamac042]

I am Sorry Socrates, but I never said that you are not up to the standard I like contributors…

All I said is that you may be not up to date, or with other words, that you may not have read some posts. Nothing wrong with your contributions. And hey, aren’t we humans allowed to make mistakes?

[Socrates]

I am Sorry Socrates, but I never said that you are not up to the standard I like contributors…

All I said is that you may be not up to date, or with other words, that you may not have read some posts. Nothing wrong with your contributions. And hey, aren’t we humans allowed to make mistakes?

Ok Pach..., sorry for misinterpreting you, but not up to date can easily be misunderstood in another direction. Have to confess I was a little bit confused as to what you meant, but reassured now.

I guess many of us share being out of date, and in retrospect the post you were referring to hardly was my best. Partly because I misread Villager as to very much defending PAD. Going back reading Villager’s postings, both the one I answered and the subsequent one I missed, find that his points goes beyond supporting PAD, but is more pointed in addressing other unjust actions happened or happening earlier on in Thailand, which I concur. Also had some connection problems lately, which I currently have a minor debate about with my private internet provider. I loose connection in active sessions, and it seems sometime to be a delay when submitting posts from home. Last time I had this problem the telecom company used two months fixing it (I live in Europe).

But going back, I read something Villager wrote that brings up an interesting line, similar to that of Pandora’s Box.
“…you may blame Abhisit for his inactions, I say Abhisits hands are tied, there is a power far greater than Abhisits behind all this…”
Somchai and his predecessor were both accused of being a puppet to or nominee in stead of Thaksin. I find it interesting that Abhisit now’s being accused of the same. Because I interpret you as claiming there are political operators behind the scene that is in control and not the PM in name? And it therefore is just to claim Abhisit also to be a nominee similar to that accusation and those consequences brought down on them?

[pachangamac042]

Hy Socrates, I personally would not really call villager pro PAD but 100% anti Thaksin. Thaksin’s war of drugs was too much for villager, well, I guess for most people. Even I am sure that somebody in here will think and maybe even write that they deserved it.

He seems to like Abhi for whatever reason and does defend many of his actions, in those points I do not really agree with him, but generally I think that he can be quite reasonable even he is a bit stubborn. But hey, nobody is perfect. Well two or three posters in here may think they are.

I wonder what your connection problems are. I have a lot of problems almost every day, to connect to the forum, no problem with other internet sites, as long as they are not censured.

[villager]

Hy Socrates, I personally would not really call villager pro PAD but 100% anti Thaksin. Thaksin’s war of drugs was too much for villager, well, I guess for most people. Even I am sure that somebody in here will think and maybe even write that they deserved it.

He seems to like Abhi for whatever reason and does defend many of his actions, in those points I do not really agree with him, but generally I think that he can be quite reasonable even he is a bit stubborn. But hey, nobody is perfect. Well two or three posters in here may think they are.

I wonder what your connection problems are. I have a lot of problems almost every day, to connect to the forum, no problem with other internet sites, as long as they are not censured.

Hi Mac, I can take or leave Abhisit no problems at all , I only said he should be given a chance instead of being constantly shouted down before he can prove himself , the chance came all too soon with his so called "rescue package" giving the uncivil servants the 2,000baht which as i commented earlier to Minnie was "madness" in my opinion , and now this incident with the "boat people" of which you should know my views well enough ,as i wrote to J1V, the words i used was "whitewash" and "swept under the carpet" if you recall, this needs a full and independent inquiry to get to the truth of the matter, cos the world is watching, and as i wrote before the "buck" stops right in Abhisits lap!, in regards to the WOD its someone,s human right to be tried in a court of law for their crimes, if you disagree with my thoughts on this subject by all means say so,

[villager]

Hey Mac, to the best of my knowledge i,ve only commented on 2 of Abhisits "actions" and disagreed with both of them, in regards to the "boat people" i would sooner call it INACTIONS cos so far we,ve neither heard nor seen anything positive as yet in regards getting to the "truth" of the whole sad episode.

[pachangamac042]

Dear villager, you must have a very short memory, because I told you already, that I do not think that killing people without a fair trial is right. I do completely agree with you and would love to see ALL THE RESPONSIBLE people involved in it to be trialled for it.

Give Abhi a chance, not that he gave Samak or Somchai a chance, but fair enough give him a chance. Let us forget all he said before he became PM. Let us not call him a ///// for saying that he wanted new elections before he became PM.

Let us see so far what he has done, nothing but speeches no actions yet. Not sure what he is waiting for, to start to act like a PM and some actions follow his speeches.

His new politics, just old socks. TRT policies and not much more yet.

His way to help the economy, handing out 2,000 Bath to 8 million workers, fair enough, that is new, but I think that completely wrong. I would say, that is just an other form of vote buying.

And let us not forget the choice of his ministers. Foreign Minister, a clown, Minister for Commerce, has zero idea about her business, other ministers, well, sorry but can not tell you much about them, no idea myself.

But let us see what the future brings. How long you reckon should he have time as that you could accept it as giving him a fair chance? 6 month, 1 year, 2 years?

So finally let me get to the boat people dilemma. Following an extract from today’s BP;

“Mr Abhisit said he is not worried about the Thai military’s image as the military has clear evidence to explain the situation after being accused of harsh treatment in dealing with the refugees.”

The world is watching and Thailand is ignoring the world. So what, business as usual. Nobody has done anything wrong here. Abhi defends his military, inquiry done, page turned.