UK seize Thaksin $4.2 billion-true or false?

[Voice]

Scyriacus wrote,

Voice wrote:
...while they spend some of there hard earns money on drink, cigarettes etc maybe they should think about their duty first. It’s very well for you to say that it not necessarily to have money in your pocket. Have you forgotten that if father don’t have money left to give mother to buy food for their children, who is happy and who is going without food.

you don't know much about the thai rural society, don't you?
here the mothers work & earn the money, but don't give papa any for alcoholism
so if he want to relax and have a drink with friends, he has to work the whole day for it himself.

Scyriacus wrote,

Voice wrote:
...Thai majority do have big problem with alcoholism and how much do you think they can do with 200baht a day? I think it would be better if you were to make a campaign about real wage increase or maybe try to change some local businesses to improves their worker income....

you contradict yourself! how much alkohol can a group of men drink all night for just 200baht?
we don't have no more problems with alcoholism here than the mere 200.
and you want to solve the alkohol problem by giving them 500? joker!

Scyriacus wrote,

Voice wrote:
...Scyriacus, you have been talking about exploitation why don’t start a campaign down your local, ask the business people around there to increase their worker wages and stop exploited the worker by pay them only 200baht per day. I think 500baht should be a start don’t you think!

you argue like a real capitalist. giving these men a job sometimes and a bit of money is NO exploitation,
because they work voluntarily for fun, sanuk & sabai, a beer & a cigarette and they are happy this way.

the 'clever' capitalist can hardly profit that way. so he starts to 'develop' them.
he makes them greedy, makes them work harder until they break their backs to earn him 1,000.
of that he gives them 500 and calls himself a 'philanthropist',
keeping 500 per day and worker for himself for doing next to nothing.
sure that he wants them all to work harder & more regularly, because that is the way he can better exploit them.

look at the western urban societies with real drug-addicts, crime & suicides out of sheer desperation.
look at them broken, obese, unemployed couch-potatoes watching tv all day, munching their junkfood, drinking coke.
and please leave them thai kids alone with your lectures of western culture and your development programs.

You maybe you’re right that I don’t know mush about Thai people. You are one good example of that. You said I contradict myself but in your last statement you were complained that people mere got 200baht for a day work because they has been exploitation by rich. Then you said if I wanted to solve alcoholisms why give them 500, so what do you want from another or me. It is you that contradict yourself with what you have written here. So you admit that there are alcoholism by gain more income they would spend more on alcohol so why do you argue so much about there pay package.

Please let’s me ask you what do you do to improve your people lives by your argument?
What kind of work do you do to support your family?
Do you work as hard as those you have stood for?
Do you providing them jobs if you do how much do you paid them?
If you’re employ how hard do you work for your keep?
Are you exploited or been exploited?

From what I could see from you with your literate and educated but you are lack of self-esteem and seem to have lazy born in you. Your argument isn’t base on true fact but self-pride that you cannot be wrong. Contradiction as you argued along as you are really a very sad person. Of course we could enjoy ourselves after work but it have to be within our means.

So please answer me this question are you happy with 200baht a day or you prefer the 500?
You should know yourself that we all get pay according to our capacities. No one get more for less work, I am sure you won’t pay people for a job done without good standard and let’s me ask you what kind of standard do you have that you would apply for people and workers?
Who would you be complains to if you get bad result?

You should know your argument don’t wash but you still argue. This is the kind of mentality that I have been talked about, as you are a very good example of that. You better keep your moral justification to yourself because it doesn’t serve anyone else but you.

[Voice]

To Scyriacus

I have no reason to attacking you it was simply some civil question to you nothing more as you so disagree with everything I said. You haven’t come up with any answers to any questions I asked you. You only reply to me by using your mentality as a base on nothing than just simply disagreement. I think with any person with right mind and good understanding will understood what I have been tried to reply to you. I have no bad intention to you or anybody else. I could only state what I knew and the experiences that I have had in dealing with Thai workers in general. For you to state the different base on your I can not be wrong attitude then there isn’t much for you’re to argue with the fact that I myself had experience. You are not the only voice that people in majority are feeling it just happen that I am one of them. Why we cannot complete with another countries have you ever ask yourself that? The reason base on this kind of mentality that our people have nothing is more important than sabai sabai attitude. If attitude of nothing can be done today because it always tomorrow then you never get anything done in your lifetime. Let’s me tell you that in real life thing don’t happen like that. When it come to each individual duty and responsibility not just to ourselves but also to our family and community it is important that we ourselves should take charge of our life. Tomorrow may never come and the work leave undone and whose is going to be responsible for those you think. If you ever work in your life you would understand a simple fact that when you started something it have to be finish. How will you finish it would depends on quality that you have to do the job. No one will be waiting for you to finish what you’re doing because time doesn’t allow that for everyone else. If you’re never finish anything in your life or can’t finish because of poor quality or inexperience who is going to give the next job. People will get good pay if their works done to high quality and expectation of people. People will continue to receive bad pay, as it will come down to two things. One I don’t want to pay and another work is not up to standard set by some individual. As there are more unemployed people have to fight for they job and survival. I don’t get where I am because I have some issue with the whole world or became zombie for people to dictated my life. We can enjoy fruits of our labour when we could establish ourselves in work place. So please stop accusing me for ranting something you don’t know of.

I have been telling you many time of where I came from I am a Thai just like you and I never make any secreted of the fact that I am Thai and how proud of being Thai. Before we can all progress first we should learn to accept the truth and absorb what we can get from our surrounding and technologies that are surround us. The truth isn’t easy but we must learn how to accept truth with gracious for us to progress.

[Voice]

To scyriacus,
What I said has nothing to do with looking down on people but looking into the problem that we have in a developing mind. I believe that every individual person is not stupid in fact I don’t believe at all that we have stupidity in our blood. As we all different makeup and our experience is vary from one person to another. I also believe that no one is more important than another but our duty and responsibility that make us different. It’s also the outlook on life and thing surround us that make us different. When we experience good example then we should try to learn from it. After all we listen to some old saying, which happen to be prove right. We don’t to indulging in wealth to make up happy but responsibility that we have for our family and ourselves and our community is what make life fulfilment.

scyriacus wrote,
As you quote “let us try to think POSITIV!
what do YOU think the world could learn from thailand?
any idea? everyone is welcome to contribute!”

To reply to that I don’t think we have anything to offer the world. WHY? Because of our political crises after crises, which led us into so much unrest. Our country needs and dependent on export and tourism as our main income. Poor quality and low productivity cause us dearly in export. Just think if the farmer stop growing rice because it does give them a good income what is going to happen to our country. At the moment we cannot export chicken out to another countries because universal band. We have foot & mouth disease that never been talk about. As our people need to survive our government has not plan anything toward the future yet whether this government or last. As much as I would like to be positive about thing for our country it could be good if we can change our way and outlook on thing. We don’t have to change for other people but we need to change for ourselves.

[Voice]

Scyriacus wrote,
2. many thais who lived abroad and are spoilt by farang propaganda look down on their brothers & sisters
and feel ashamed (but you at last are PROUD, wow), superiour and want to 'liberate' their country-fellows.

Scyriacus, I have a little more I would like to add, not every brothers sisters Thai are spoilt by those you said above. They are people who had been working very hard all their life to support their family at home in Thailand. It would be an insult to them if you continue to think like that. They are to work and not play but unlike to student who parent sent them here for study but again not everyone is what you said. If we stood together no one could take our country away. It nothing to be ashamed about if we could complete with other we could have our head held high.

[Voice]

Voice wrote,
To scyriacus,

What I said has nothing to do with looking down on people but looking into the problem that we have in a developing mind. I believe that every individual person is not stupid in fact I don’t believe at all that we have stupidity in our blood. As we all different makeup and our experience is vary from one person to another.

Scyriacus worte,

so you want to tell us
that if YOU call someone 'stupid & lazy'
is NOT looking down on him,
but is 'looking into the problem'?

are you quite sure WHO the problem might be?

You are truly very good example of what you have written in your last reply I think you are very confusing person indeed. You are full of contradictive as far as your argument goes it have no substance pure and simple. I did not call anyone stupid but it was you’re words rather mine insulting yourself it not very smart is it. I thought you could read and understand the language yet again you do it to yourself. You’re truly having a big issue with mentality crisis. I wonder how long can you hold a good conversation without getting yourself in twist.