People's Revolution

[Voice]

We could count ourselves lucky that we weren’t in 1789 to 1799 French revolution otherwise many head will be rolling by now. The different between people who were pay to fight and people who fight for their right will always win.

[villager]

Hi Voice , nice to hear from you again , i have lost count that i have stated that both colours are "paid political cannon fodder", the big joke with the reds is that they are supposed to be fighting for freedom and democracy , whilst flying their Thaksin banners , and wearing their Thaksin headbands and in some cases in my view being bankrolled by him,of course when he was PM this was hardly the case was it, and from what i,ve read and from what i,ve actualy seen,i cannot think of ONE PM who fits into the category of being Democratic, certainly not Thaksin, i read this week that he suggested that all bring their familys to join the red horde whilst his own children have fled the country, what monumental hypocrisy, to be candid my friend i think there is about as much chance as Abhi caving in to UDD,s demands as their is of me fathering children(vasectomy 40 years ago) LOL,you just cannot be seen to give in to "mob rule" cos all this begets is more mobs in the end , this country i am proud to call my home will never change until we have a western style free press, and the people who commit crimes are held accountable however high their wealth or perceived status , you know, i know ,we all know that this country is wracked from top to bottom with endemic corruption, only the very foolhardy would suggest different, off now cos my friend has just arrived to go fishing, i tell you Voice its a hard hard life here ain,t it,LOL.

[Voice]

Hi Vilager, yes you quite right that Ahbisit won’t cave in to the red. As most followers will do is to follow the question is who are they following. At the moment the red only have Thaksin to follow if they would have a better choice perhaps they will follow someone else instate rather than follow Thaksin. The people of my choice would have been new people fresh face in politic. They could be the who can make the different to our country.

[Ink]

Hi Voice, both Russia and China had a peoples revolution,s did,nt they , only to be replaced by leaders who were fare worse than the originals , how many people died 30/ 40 million? no one will ever know, if the REDS win this one there is no doubt who will rule here again, if not in person but by his "lackeys" who will bow to his every whim,for me this hardly instils confidence for the future of this country, and i will always remember the words of comrade Lenin,when he confided to a close friend that his followers were "useful fools" much the same as the UDD are now , who are just being used as tools to achieve Thaksins lust for power and wealth, for the reds to have Thaksins banners flying and proclaim to the world that they are fighting for Justice, freedom ,and democracy is akin to a turkey voting for Christmas.

Hello Villager,
We are not talking about Russia or China. There is no need to insinuate 30 or 40 million will die under a monstrosity. It is not remotely close to what is happening in ThaiIand. I do agree no one will ever know in the case of Thailand and it is because it is likely to never happen. I also agree that it is possible if not probable who will “lead” (you say rule) here again should any event that resembles anything that include the people’s voice occur. As far as the confidence in this country goes, should we dismiss what confidence was instilled (nationally and internationally) a few years back? Right about now it sounds a lot like I am speaking in support of Thaksin. Again, I am not. If Thaksin (or any leader) takes the helm under a true democracy, any and all wrong doings will be exposed and sooner or later “a people” will take actions that put an end to it. That is what happens in a democracy.

The UDD supporters are the same “useful fools” that make and chose leaders. Take nothing away from that. It is presumptuous and may be even leaving quite a bit to be desired to suggest these fools’ demand for their collective voice to be respected is all in the name of satisfying Thaksin’s lust for power and wealth. Last recollection, he did ok for himself before politic. If anything, it is the “Thaksin” thing that might be supporting a people’s demand of democratic principles. Now just for fun, let’s remove the “Thaksin” thing and put in “Villager” thing. Would it change a people’s demand for those democratic principles?

[SARDINES]

Straight from the horse's mouth. Pad core leader's interview back in 2007. This is what the Reds felt what happened are are fed up with it. I'm only surprised that the yellows are just as fed up or whether they believe the same... especially when it was stated by their own leader... and "inside man" as he calls himself.

Below are excerpts and I do recommend the full read for those of you who haven't read it already.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_ ... 7Ae01.html

SONDHI: That's the reason why they (Elites) had to fight back. If you recall, the pala always insisted upon who would be the next commander-in-chief of the army. They would let go of the lower-ranking commanders, let Thaksin have them. That's why the [pre-cadet] Class 10 [2] came up and Thaksin was buying time. So when [General] Pravit [Wongsuwan] retired as army commander, it became [General] Sonthi [Boonyaratklin] - although Thaksin didn't want Sonthi. It took Sonthi almost a year to reshuffle all the regiments and regional commanders to prepare for a showdown with Thaksin.

But they could not move forward because they need the man, because without him they cannot fight. Unfortunately, there was a guy named Sondhi [Limthongkul]. [It was] unfortunate for myself too. I fought Thaksin and I was able to pull up the mass, and they were excited because [the elites] never thought in their minds - and later on they admitted it - that so many people would come out. So they were both shocked and ecstatic. So, all the elites were pulling all their forces behind me.

ASIA TIMES: Who exactly? Are we talking about the likes of the Lamsam family?

SONDHI: I would never know, I would never know. I was never contacted personally and never carried money like 10 million baht, no. But it always came in: 100,000 [about US$3,000] here, 50,000 there, 100,000 here. There were so many one hundred thousands coming in.

ASIA TIMES: So you became the traditional elites' de facto spokesman?

SONDHI: Exactly, exactly. The situation was coordinated

[villager]

Hi Voice, both Russia and China had a peoples revolution,s did,nt they , only to be replaced by leaders who were fare worse than the originals , how many people died 30/ 40 million? no one will ever know, if the REDS win this one there is no doubt who will rule here again, if not in person but by his "lackeys" who will bow to his every whim,for me this hardly instils confidence for the future of this country, and i will always remember the words of comrade Lenin,when he confided to a close friend that his followers were "useful fools" much the same as the UDD are now , who are just being used as tools to achieve Thaksins lust for power and wealth, for the reds to have Thaksins banners flying and proclaim to the world that they are fighting for Justice, freedom ,and democracy is akin to a turkey voting for Christmas.

Hello Villager,
We are not talking about Russia or China. There is no need to insinuate 30 or 40 million will die under a monstrosity. It is not remotely close to what is happening in ThaiIand. I do agree no one will ever know in the case of Thailand and it is because it is likely to never happen. I also agree that it is possible if not probable who will “lead” (you say rule) here again should any event that resembles anything that include the people’s voice occur. As far as the confidence in this country goes, should we dismiss what confidence was instilled (nationally and internationally) a few years back? Right about now it sounds a lot like I am speaking in support of Thaksin. Again, I am not. If Thaksin (or any leader) takes the helm under a true democracy, any and all wrong doings will be exposed and sooner or later “a people” will take actions that put an end to it. That is what happens in a democracy.

The UDD supporters are the same “useful fools” that make and chose leaders. Take nothing away from that. It is presumptuous and may be even leaving quite a bit to be desired to suggest these fools’ demand for their collective voice to be respected is all in the name of satisfying Thaksin’s lust for power and wealth. Last recollection, he did ok for himself before politic. If anything, it is the “Thaksin” thing that might be supporting a people’s demand of democratic principles. Now just for fun, let’s remove the “Thaksin” thing and put in “Villager” thing. Would it change a people’s demand for those democratic principles?

Hi Ink , I was just using Russia And China as an example of how people are fooled and duped into believing anything , and in no way comparing Thailand to those murderous regimes,although Thailand,s leader did his little bit in 03 , it would appear somewhat odd that Thaksin of all people is telling( not asking) The UDD to fight for their democratic principles when it was so absent under his own premiership , the stench of total hypocrisy is almost too much to bear,its also my opinion that the UDD has shot itself in the foot by seeking to paralyse the transport system in BKK , how can they expect sympathy and support of the law abiding citizen when it could well take him an extra 2 hours a day to get to work and back is beyond comprehension in my opinion, my view is that the UDD will achieve not one of their demands , Abhi just cannot afford to bend to the rule of the mob, and from what i have read this morning , there are marked difference,s of opinions with the red "commissars" , and if there is diversions from within at such a early stage in their "people,s revolution" it is bound to fail.

[LannaTai]

http://pad.vfly.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/military_thaksin_03.jpg

Before he was just a businessman, Thaksin was happily making friends with the previous coup leaders.

The second pic says 'If there's no Jod (Gen Soonthorn's nickname), there would be no Thaicom'.

Yes the fugitive will cry for democracy when he lost his power. Before that would bow to anyone who can help him make $$$.

[Ink]

Hello Villager,
Understood. But how do you feel about the question at the end of my last post?

[villager]

Hello Villager,
Understood. But how do you feel about the question at the end of my last post?

Hi Ink, not quite sure what you are alluding to, could you please be a bit more specific.

[Ink]

Hello Vilager,
Basically, if we remove the "Thaksin" out of this, would it change a people's demand?