If law is the law

[SARDINES]

Hi A-Joe,

don't be too upset. I've decided long ago that if the current government and courts have friends like Scy, who needs enemies?

So, from Scy's clear explanation of the law, if someone breaks into my home and leaves before the police arrives, that person is not guilty because he got away before the police could get there

Since I have a mutual understanding of the way things work here (I'm Thai) as per Scy's enlightening explanation, I do things the Thai way (... reminder, I'm Thai but grew up in South Central L.A.... so double brutal???)... I kick the crud out of the guy first and call an ambulance and let the police pick the guy up from the hospital

I'm joking, but not joking.... this has already happened twice.

... beware to all possible burglars.... I've got a mean left hook & a 9 mm next to my bed

[prommee_NE]

Not quite the same as the initial topic...but law related:

Can someone explain why a budget proposal by the government can be deemed unconstitutional? I am referring to the 400 billion Baht loan proposal:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/143932/korn-loan-bill-is-100-constitutional

Surely it is something that is debated in the House of Representatives, voted on and then passed if the Majority are in favour.

What part of the Constitution is violated in this process?

[SARDINES]

Not quite the same as the initial topic...but law related:

Can someone explain why a budget proposal by the government can be deemed unconstitutional? I am referring to the 400 billion Baht loan proposal:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/143932/korn-loan-bill-is-100-constitutional

Surely it is something that is debated in the House of Representatives, voted on and then passed if the Majority are in favour.

What part of the Constitution is violated in this process?

Hi Prom,

Surprisingly, there is a good explanation in the media... excerpts below with the link

The ... Abhisit government is saying that this is urgent and we can't wait, while the opposition is saying that the "urgent" decree is also to facilitate something that is not so urgent. And since the Constitution allows issuance of an executive decree only in the case of an emergency, the Pheu Thai Party believes it is fully entitled to question the decree's justification.

Simply put, the opposition acknowledges an emergency, but insists that this is not a Bt400 billion emergency. While there may be a need for Bt200 billion to keep fiscal reserves from falling ill, requiring another Bt200 billion to create short-term investment projects smacks of a sick boy claiming to be sicker then he is so as to get two days off school instead of one. If that money is really needed, the opposition says, the government should seek it through the normal parliamentary channel, which provides greater transparency and scrutiny....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/05 ... 103125.php

200 Billion for the to shore up the reserves to compensate the lack of revenue the government is receiving is an acceptable emergency but they are trying to SLIP IN another 200 Billion for future projects. The opposition have a good point in that the 2nd 200 Billion should be requested through normal channels of parliament where the Gov. must present a full plan of the projects and how the money will be intended to use and shouldn't be included in the emergency decree.

What they are doing now is requesting the money now and will tell us later what they will do with it after receiving the money.

I'd like for loans of this magnitude (2nd 200 Billion) to have a plan first and subject to scrutiny before receiving the money. After all, it's my tax money that will be used to pay back the loan.

"If my wife told me to hand over 20,000 baht to pay tuition for our kid, I'd hand over without hesitation (I know how much the tuition is). But if she asks to throw in another 20,000 Baht that she says she wants to buy a motorbike to take our kid to school.. well I would ask a hundred questions, first before I decided." (but still would probably say NO)

The emergency decree by-passes these 100 important questions of mine NOT about the tuition but the money to spend on the bike.

SARDINES

[prommee_NE]

Thanks Sardines...very informative.

[Ink]

Hello AverageJoe,
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. It is truly and humbly appreciated. It's an overwhelming feeling when a message of such importance and far reaching implication is recognized. It takes the same level of reason and rationale to recognize such message. Thank you (and countless others on these boards) for possessing that sound reason and rationale.

[villager]

Not quite the same as the initial topic...but law related:

Can someone explain why a budget proposal by the government can be deemed unconstitutional? I am referring to the 400 billion Baht loan proposal:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/143932/korn-loan-bill-is-100-constitutional

Surely it is something that is debated in the House of Representatives, voted on and then passed if the Majority are in favour.

What part of the Constitution is violated in this process?

Hi Prom,

Surprisingly, there is a good explanation in the media... excerpts below with the link

The ... Abhisit government is saying that this is urgent and we can't wait, while the opposition is saying that the "urgent" decree is also to facilitate something that is not so urgent. And since the Constitution allows issuance of an executive decree only in the case of an emergency, the Pheu Thai Party believes it is fully entitled to question the decree's justification.

Simply put, the opposition acknowledges an emergency, but insists that this is not a Bt400 billion emergency. While there may be a need for Bt200 billion to keep fiscal reserves from falling ill, requiring another Bt200 billion to create short-term investment projects smacks of a sick boy claiming to be sicker then he is so as to get two days off school instead of one. If that money is really needed, the opposition says, the government should seek it through the normal parliamentary channel, which provides greater transparency and scrutiny....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/05 ... 103125.php

200 Billion for the to shore up the reserves to compensate the lack of revenue the government is receiving is an acceptable emergency but they are trying to SLIP IN another 200 Billion for future projects. The opposition have a good point in that the 2nd 200 Billion should be requested through normal channels of parliament where the Gov. must present a full plan of the projects and how the money will be intended to use and shouldn't be included in the emergency decree.

What they are doing now is requesting the money now and will tell us later what they will do with it after receiving the money.

I'd like for loans of this magnitude (2nd 200 Billion) to have a plan first and subject to scrutiny before receiving the money. After all, it's my tax money that will be used to pay back the loan.

"If my wife told me to hand over 20,000 baht to pay tuition for our kid, I'd hand over without hesitation (I know how much the tuition is). But if she asks to throw in another 20,000 Baht that she says she wants to buy a motorbike to take our kid to school.. well I would ask a hundred questions, first before I decided." (but still would probably say NO)

The emergency decree by-passes these 100 important questions of mine NOT about the tuition but the money to spend on the bike.

SARDINES

Hey Sardine,s how about some tuition on HOW to ride a motorcycle, cos 95% of motorcyclist,s i,ve seen could ONLY be described as on a "SUICIDE MISSION".

[Ink]

Hello Villager,
How to ride the bike is not the problem. It's enforcing the laws on how to ride the bike with safety of yourself and others in mind that is. Shouldn't need an extra 200 billion bahts to enforce existing laws.

[villager]

[quote="Ink"]Hello Villager,
How to ride the bike is not the problem. It's enforcing the laws on how to ride the bike with safety of yourself and others in mind that is. Shouldn't need an extra 200 billion bahts to enforce existing laws.[/ Fair Comment Ink, but what do you yourself suggest to stop this mindless carnage on Thailand,s roads with under aged Motor cyclists , the way I see it only a complete lunatic would allow their 10 year old son or daughter to ride a machine capable of over 70mph on Thailand,s road,s , do,s parental responsibility not exist here? , it is somewhat late to uphold the law by the police when some young kid has pulled out without looking to their right and finished up a mangled wreck under a pickup, Sardine,s had it right when he wrote he would most likely say no to his wife buying a m/cycle to take his offspring to school least of all his child ON THEIR OWN! , of course I agree with you on the lax "law enforcers" , but the REAL PROBLEM IS SOLELY WITH THE PARENTS FIRST AND FOREMOST, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SAY NO.

[Ian]

Just a bit of light relief: Yesterday while waiting in pouring rain in a Song Tau shelter I saw a kid on a motorbike doing at least 70 mph along the road. then he met a large dog obstacle, he described about a 20 foot parabola through the air and fortunately for him landed face down in an extremely soft paddy field. The Dog ran off limping and the bike ended up in a ditch. I wished I'd had my camera with me.

[villager]

Just a bit of light relief: Yesterday while waiting in pouring rain in a Song Tau shelter I saw a kid on a motorbike doing at least 70 mph along the road. then he met a large dog obstacle, he described about a 20 foot parabola through the air and fortunately for him landed face down in an extremely soft paddy field. The Dog ran off limping and the bike ended up in a ditch. I wished I'd had my camera with me.

Yeah Ian, but do you personally think the kid will LEARN ANYTHING by his narrow escape?, in my opinion not a hope!.