Land purchase through Thai spouse forbidden: Land Dept

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Postby KhunJoe on Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:39 pm

If the Thai goverment would develop a program like the one in Malaysia "Malyisia My Second Home" (http://www.mm2h.gov.my/) then everyone would benifit.

Unfortunalelly, however, one of the "Amazing" things about Thialand is the country is always looking to the ways of past instead of having a vision of the future welfare of the people and the KIngdom of Thailand.
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Postby delboy3527 on Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:14 pm

Hi everybody my first post to this site. can any body tel me under what piece of legislation does the land dep. decide that if a fa-rang gives his wife money to buy a house for them to live in that they can then take it away . has any one yet had a house confiscated. and has there bean any legal challenge to this rule
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Postby corky on Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:30 am

just another example of legal racism exhibited by xenophobic thais. i wonder what would have happened if thaksin was only able to purchase 49% of manchester city? its ridiculous but many thai politicians have estates in europe and america. paint whatever way you will thailand but this only reaffirms your inabilty to compete fairly. as for foreign investment, what fool would risk it in a country whose laws are always poised to grab a quick buck back. i send all my money home. is that good for thailand?
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Postby punter on Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:32 am

You're quite right Corky. The rich Thais feel that they are going to being shown to be what they are in Thailand, and that is small time hooligans when compared the average middle class foriegner or investor. The rich thais can go and buy offshore but that is hidden from the Thai people. They want to exert maximum control over the Thai people and that they do by limiting the particapation of foriegners in the Thai market. If we were to come and do buisness in Thailand it would quickly make the local people know how really pissant and ignorant their leaders are. It has nothing to do with saving Thailand for the Thai people. It is all about keeping the Thai people down by limiting their experiance and education in global affairs.
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Postby GerBo on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:02 pm

elportoed wrote:I'm Thai born and raised, but now living in the US. I have to admit, living in a foreign land is not easy, since you have to learn and adapt to the local culture and laws which may be greatly different than your country of origin. You don't always get the preferencial treatments like the locals. If you can adapt and follow the culture and the law of the land, then you can get along peacefully with the locals.

That's why this post bothers me a bit, as I'm reading the posts for all the complainers and whiners about this subject. I only have one comments, why can't you just repect the law and culture of the country that you are visiting and/or would like to live? If you don't think it's fair for you, please LEAVE. No country or culture is perfect. There's nothing for you to do here, you can't change the law, since you cannot vote.

And to be fair, Thailand isn't the only country in the world that have laws against foreigners owning her land, or other quirky laws that prevent foreigners from doing certain things. Obviously all you whiners here, regardless of what you said how bad the government was, like the counrty and the people enough to actually consider settle here. If you want to live happily in Thailand, adapt to the culture and follow the law.


Nice story... but a Thai never see the problems foreigners see in their daily life in Thailand. See for instance the visa-paperwork. To stupid for words, but it's only for one reason: money! every 3 months go to the immigration-office: 1.900 baht in case u have a single entry visa.

Opening a bankaccount is a tragedy in this country... again to stupid for words. Only to open an account to put ur money on for the time u stay in Thailand.

I want "Mr. Thai born" give an advise. Go to my country in Europe. When entering u get a visa for 90-days. When u want to stay go to immigration office and aply for a long-stay visa. First u get for 1 year, then another 5 year and when u want it for longer aply again. Want to open a bank account? go to a bank and open it.

What I want to say is this: It can be so easy for everyone!
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Postby GerBo on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:18 pm

expattaffy wrote:Looks like to me that the message to all farangs here is, Dont bring any more cash into Thailand than is absolutely rquired. Do not buy your Thai wife a house or land, better to rent. Also maybe the best option with hindsight is to not get married at all. As another expat stated, Thailand is no longer the land of smiles for farangs. Lets hope every farang reading these warnings pass on the information to as many farangs as possible who are about to come to Thailand.


Actually u are right, about the houses etc u can read enough here, but when I look to myself, after long time I was able to open an bankaccount and put money on it for the daily living. My other money is still in my country and I leave it there. First of all I get more interest and secondly Thai have always a kind of hidden agenda. Every law can be changed within 1 hour, so I keep a normal amount on our account here. Another aspect is that I can access to my European account with a good working internet-banking program, which is also a lack with Thai banks. Internet-banking here is nothing. U can only transfer money to the organisations they put in the system already. Very advanced?? Land of smile is for me already years Land of Fake. I know not very polite and nice, but see for urself. Laws get changed within 1 hour, mostly they smile only in holiday-resorts and hotels, cuz.... yes, they can earn money... and furthermore enjoy Thailand, let them fight with each other (red-yellow), let them push each other from the road (traffic without any law) etc etc. I laugh every day when I see how they live and what kind of respect they have for others property (read cars etc.)

I write already in a earlier stage that when I really invest after our pension (me and my spouse) we both say goodbye to Thailand and will live in Malaysia, which we visit regularly on the search for a nice house. Cuz it's so damn easy for us to
buy there and have it on my name or both names. Legaly so good arranged as well, so for us it's no big deal this Thailand. We have a house but will sell it after we reach our pension.
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Postby Jed Robinson on Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:17 pm

Wow!!Didn't realise how every one felt on this and not many positives at all to plan a long term future with this sort of thing hanging over every farangs head, after this development!You are right..Who would want to buy a place and risk their money going south to ...who/where?This of course could also be interpreted along the same lines as the on going 'company property' scheme that many farangs entered into to buy property..and avoid this happening to protect their assets. Now any body who has done this of course is waiting for the 'review' to take place..then a knock on the door!Not a great way to live or spend your retirement! A friend of mine specialises in law, property/assets here in Bangkok ,so I will find out what repercussions this may have in the future.Alarming news and the question to be asked is what about all these new condo's, developements still going up every where?You'd be mad to buy one..that's for sure!
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Postby punter on Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:37 am

Quite right Jed, you'd have to be as dumb as a sack of hammers to put any money into Thailand. Thats precisely why you don't have any large companies expanding into the country. The industries that have established themselves are continuously downsizing with many relocting to Malaysia. In Malaysia you have far more clarity in the legal and political system. You certainle do not have the corruption that is rampant in Thailand.

As far as real estate is concerned that too is far cheaper in Malaysia. You get clear title and no leases or secret swaps required. The banking system is easy and you get a ten year visa without any of the hassle of Thailand. Thai lands crime rates are thousands of percentage points higher than Malaysia. The beaches are far less crowded. The quality of the goods sold in the market is better and there is no double pricing. Most people speak English. No one has ever fudged my utility bills or tried to charge me extra for anything. They respect you in Malaysia. People generally have more self respect than do the Thai's and it shows in their friendly demeanour. Not like in Thailand where you are instantly the 'enemy falang'.

Thailand has deteriorated to the point where it is not even worth visiting.
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Re: Land purchase through Thai spouse forbidden: Land Dept

Postby dominic on Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:39 am

At a time where the Prime Minister of Thailand makes himself an advocate of human rights; which makes me very proud of Thailand, It may be a good point to remind Mr Prime Minister and all the Deputies of Thailand who vote this law, that Thailand is acting against the fundamental Universal Declaration Human rights with this new legislation which deprived Thai who married foreigner to their basic Human rights. Dear Prime Minister and Deputies of Thailand please read below as a reminder, some articles of the Universal declaration of human rights signed by Thailand .

Article 1.

* All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 7.

* All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


It is sad to see that some Thai people, simply because they are married to Non Thai, cannot exercise they property rights and be treated as 2rd range citizen. This is against the Universal Declaration of Human rights.
Dear Prime minister of Thailand and Deputies of Thailand , you should seriously review this law which is clearly against basics Human rights.

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Postby Jason McDonald on Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:44 pm

dominic wrote:At a time where the Prime Minister of Thailand makes himself an advocate of human rights; which makes me very proud of Thailand, It may be a good point to remind Mr Prime Minister and all the Deputies of Thailand who vote this law, that Thailand is acting against the fundamental Universal Declaration Human rights with this new legislation which deprived Thai who married foreigner to their basic Human rights. Dear Prime Minister and Deputies of Thailand please read below as a reminder, some articles of the Universal declaration of human rights signed by Thailand .

Article 1.

* All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 7.

* All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


It is sad to see that some Thai people, simply because they are married to Non Thai, cannot exercise they property rights and be treated as 2rd range citizen. This is against the Universal Declaration of Human rights.
Dear Prime minister of Thailand and Deputies of Thailand , you should seriously review this law which is clearly against basics Human rights.

Dominic


As far as I am aware there ae two laws in play here.

1) assets acquired during a marriage are owned 50/50 by both parties. This includes land acquired by either of the parties.
2) Only Thai citizens can own land.
In Meurng Farang whichever Act was higher in the hierachy would dominate.
But in Thailand I am not sure which one dominates. Given that foreigners married to Thai have to sign a document saying that the land is property that is purchased from funds of the Thai party acquired before the marrige, I suspect that 1 dominates.
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