foreigners have got no rights?

[triptrip]

Totally disagree with the generalizing closing statements. It’s my belief that the majority of Thais wouldn’t resort to that solution.

You’ll really be asking for trouble if you told the neighbour what you suggest. That’s dangerous, presumptuous thinking! You’ll have the neighbourhood turning against you. Potentially more serious trouble.

In true Thai spirit, after killing the dog, everyone will act as if nothing happened and wear a big smile on their face. The owner will know the truth as the mae baan and ror por por will gossip about who killed the dog.

[Bone Head]

Majoy,

What are you saying? Did you even think for a minute before getting into all this trouble with the neighbors, police etc. and then deciding to post it.
This isn't about you being a foreigner. It is about common sense. I have seen, read and heard many similar instances with neighbors in America, UK, Europe etc.

And hey being foreign doesn't mean you have descended from heaven...Remember you are (like me) a guest here. We are all guests here and we must respect that. They never requested and pleaded you to come here and take a house. Did they? You came here looking for it. and do visa runs like a rat every 3 months because you like it better here than you 'foreign' land.

And now you moan like a spoilt child whose candy has been snatched away?

It is about being a sensible person and making relationships come what may. You will NEVER have perfect neighbors any where in the world. BUT you have to learn to adjust where ever you are...

If you have a real problem quietly move away to a new location. OR if you are brave enough, get a pet tiger.

And learn to be kind to yourself and others. Else, this is a guarantee: Where ever you go...you will have trouble.

Good luck

[olongt]

I am a Turkish Farang living in BKK for 4 months visited Thailand many times before moving here. First I want to give some information about Turkey, cause I read in one of the posts someone says in Turkey women sales on the streets. In Turkey, we have a big respect to women, women's never sales, I m sure this guy never visited Turkey before, it's strange to give informations as thats true.

To live in a foreign country can be difficult for everyone in every country, but as foreigners first we have to understand the rules, we don't have rights to live as we do in our country.

And at the point of dog barking, this is they're nature, can you stop a baby when she/he starts to crying??

People don't respect to other creatures in the world, they are thinking as this world is a place only for human to live, I think the basic problem this family who feel disturbing by dogs in basic they have a problem to respect to other creatures. The problem in the way of thinking.

For someone who loves animals a dog barking can be as a lullaby and make feel in safety.

I didn't have any problems in Thailand about laws, but I am sure there are laws in Thailand, and Thai people are more respectable then foreigners, I am living in a residence in hearth of city, in the elevator when I meet with one of my Thai neighbor we say swadee khup to each other, but some of my foreigner neighbors staying next to me with a face as a wall. That's the first reason for me to choose Thailand instead of an European country, respect to each other.

Maybe we have to ask first to our self as human does we give rights to all creatures in the world????

"in Turkey women sales on the streets. In Turkey, we have a big respect to women, women's never sales"
You're Correct. In some countries beside sold women they do sold children too.
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"To live in a foreign country can be difficult for everyone in every country, but as foreigners first we have to understand the rules, we don't have rights to live as we do in our country."
Totally Agreed!
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"I think the basic problem this family who feel disturbing by dogs in basic they have a problem to respect to other creatures. The problem in the way of thinking."
I Did Not agreed! Unless you're Buddha feel nothing when a beautiful naked woman dancing around your bed or Dog barking from 10PM to 7AM around your bed! (Unless you're not a man or your ears cannot hear a gunshot!)
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"Thai people are more respectable then foreigners, I am living in a residence in hearth of city, in the elevator when I meet with one of my Thai neighbor we say swadee khup to each other, but some of my foreigner neighbors staying next to me with a face as a wall."
I Didnot agreed! People say "Hello or Sawatdee" or face to the wall every time they see you it may caused by you or they don't want to bother you or they like you!
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"Maybe we have to ask first to our self as human does we give rights to all creatures in the world????"
No killing any creatures loves all creatures and no eats chicken creatures. Is that what you mean?? (sound like you hate foreigners!!??)
>>>

The best is say "Hello Not Bye" to human, love dogs but respect people around (Dogs will hate you or bite you if you make big noise or disturbing while dog is sleeping!)

Have a nice weekend!

[Toscano]

It is true to say that the position of a foreigner is very precarious in Thailand .
A foreigner probably has less sway in many situations , especially against the law , even if it should be on their side .

My Thai wife would say that nobody has any rights in Thailand ; that Thai people are utterly selfish , do whatever they like , without consideration for family members , friend or neighbours .

My next but one neibour has broken sewage pipes that leak through the party wall onto my sister-in-law's property . No gentle asking gets anything done and in Thailand to resort to the law against your neighbours is simply not done . My wife's brother-in-law keeps three bulls behind our house , almost every evening at dusk there is a dreadfull stink of Urine that creeps into our kitchen , if we dont quickly shut the door .
Across the road from us , live a middleaged couple who are bringing up their son's two little boys aged about four and six . They don't seem to go to school as much as they should and play games tearing about screaming all day . We live by a cross roads in the centre of our village , which at night becomes the rallying point for all the stray dogs and bitches in heat who bark or howl . At times the noise can be unbelievable , but one has to learn to live with it , or move to another house .
I remember reading of people who live in England , moving to a country cottage in a village next to a farm , complaining that the cows mooed and the cock crowed and they couldn't sleep at night .
In Thailand it is worse , but it is much the same for everybody .

[olongt]

It is true to say that the position of a foreigner is very precarious in Thailand .
A foreigner probably has less sway in many situations , especially against the law , even if it should be on their side .

My Thai wife would say that nobody has any rights in Thailand ; that Thai people are utterly selfish , do whatever they like , without consideration for family members , friend or neighbours .

My next but one neibour has broken sewage pipes that leak through the party wall onto my sister-in-law's property . No gentle asking gets anything done and in Thailand to resort to the law against your neighbours is simply not done . My wife's brother-in-law keeps three bulls behind our house , almost every evening at dusk there is a dreadfull stink of Urine that creeps into our kitchen , if we dont quickly shut the door .
Across the road from us , live a middleaged couple who are bringing up their son's two little boys aged about four and six . They don't seem to go to school as much as they should and play games tearing about screaming all day . We live by a cross roads in the centre of our village , which at night becomes the rallying point for all the stray dogs and bitches in heat who bark or howl . At times the noise can be unbelievable , but one has to learn to live with it , or move to another house .
I remember reading of people who live in England , moving to a country cottage in a village next to a farm , complaining that the cows mooed and the cock crowed and they couldn't sleep at night .
In Thailand it is worse , but it is much the same for everybody .

My Thai wife also said the same way.
You wrote "In Thailand it is worse, but it is much the same for everybody." >>> This is 101% correct!

[newsweird]

I have same kind a problem but just change from Foreigners to Thai. Here I live 99% is Thai people and when they party OMG it very nasty.

[steveyinasia]

I live in a compound in Chiang Mai and two soi's down there is a house with 6-8 dogs that constantly bark enough to keep me awake, I can only feel more sorry for those living directly beside and behind this house. When confronted by several people, the JUDGE owner simply suggests that if you are foreigner living here and are tired of living here he can arrange your departure. He is a typical Hi-so arragant ass that unfortunately exists in many society today, being above any law. His wife is equally arragant that when her neighbours children practice piano lessons, she moves the stereo speakers out to the back door and turns the volume up full....seems she doesn't like the noise......but barking dogs are OK.

There is no solution to this issue except to move however it is very unfortunate that one must change their life for the sake of a few selfish individuals....so much for practicing a Buddhist nature of kindness. I always believe that "every dog has his day" and will 6-8 of them these people will soon have one hell of a day.

[gipchimsa]

I live in UK for the Summer and Bkk. in the Winter there. I am noise sensitive because my home in the UK is detached in a particulary quiet area.

Bliss really, except for the dark, cold winter months.

I always bring earplugs when coming to Thailand. The rubber ones are useless. Boots do a wax (I think) based product called Muffles. They have also just brought out new silicon earplugs. I find it more convenient for me to cut them in half and put a half in each ear. The muffles can be used more than once, many times, although the instructions are for one use only. Similar to disposable razors. The silicon last forever it seems. Of course you change them when they begin to get dirty, as is inevitable.

Otherwise, an internet purchase can be done. A product called Joe's Earplugs (believe it) are particularly good and long lasting.
However, these irritated my ears.

Google: "wax earaplugs" For me there is no discomfort and I am sometimes half way through my coffee when I realise I am still wearing them. They are very useful for a quiet afternoon nap also.

[dexlowe]

In many respects, it is not true that you can't do anything about it. Each district office (at least in Bangkok as far as I know) is supposed to have a noise control officer. My cynical mind thinks these positions are filled by naughty officials given those wonderful "inactive posts" titles -- LOL. And when these positions are filled, the naughty officials are posted to the town and traffic planning departments. Okay, okay, enough humour.

Anyway, you can approach your district office and hope like heck you come across an official who takes his/her position seriously. It happened to me once, and the woman (who spoke good English) went out of her way to sort out the problem (a BMA school with "Deep Impact" speakers and teachers who were more interested in entertaining themselves with raucous music and hours, literally, of bellowing into a microphone and banging drums). This woman was great and forced the school to tone it down. But her successor, a male, was a complete (add your own word here) when I next tried to file a complaint. So, pot luck with that approach.

But to the crux of my point, which might give the original poster an idea or two. I owned a doberman for 11 years. He died. I don't own him anymore. A European breed, he was the most gentle, affectionate and loving dog you could ever imagine. But dobermans are bred as guard dogs (and family dogs), but not attack dogs (they have to be trained for that). Though incredibly friendly and fantastic with kids, it must be realised that through his genes his job was to guard, and like all dogs, he was also territorial. And like all dobermans, he had a built-in instinct as to who was friend or foe. So, many years back a neighbour (an English teacher at a local Thai school), told me she was frightened of my dog because he barked at her every time she walked past my house. A big, throaty, I'm a tough son-of-a ..... bark. Even though in reality he was just a big baby.
I solved this problem very easily. Grabbing a handful of doggy biscuits, which he loved more than I did, I took my dobbie out of the house and gave the biscuits to my neighbour and told her to feed them to the dog and stroke him and talk to him. She fell in love with my dobbie (and there after ignored me). No problems ever again for her.
I and my family used the same tactic with the soi dogs up the road. Once again, no more problems, apart from being followed by a pack when I go to the shop, but then again, they protect me from other soi dogs wandering around.
So there you go. Zen and the art of dog maintenance. Get your neighbour to apply the same approach with their dogs, and who knows? I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who tries this.
Meanwhile, I miss my beautiful dobbie like crazy and the hours we used to spend together munching on doggy bites while watching the sun set over the construction cranes.

PS: One poster suggests chocolate laxatives. Cool, but remember chocolate (not sure of the quantity) can kill a dog. I can't condone that.

PPS: Also to repeat what someone else posted -- check this out -- http://www.jetcityorange.com/dog-whistle/ -- it works, but requires a bit of playing around.

[saipanman]

come on guys...are we all that blind to life....I think Sithep66 explained it best...and thats it...there are no color lines, no cultural lines, its all perspective...ones own simple choice to focus on those things that they choose...I remember waking up in my village and hearing the dogs barking each day...the chickens screaming, all the sounds of nature...its was my choice if those things would clash with what some people would call human nature...and so I chose to not react but to embrace...I would sit in my window and write...inspired by the sounds of things not so silent...I befriended the dogs, fed the chickens, and soon those sounds were nothing more than another note in the song of life...the same for my neighbor who banged his drum set..one day I went over and asked if he could teach me a few beats...soon after that sound wasn't a bang...but a beat..and it wasn't so bad afterall.... as for drunk visitors who bring home hookers each night...thats just wrong...one of my friends had a friend like that...someone put a note on the guys door that said the girls he was with last night had AIDS...he never took another one again....at least not before he moved out the next year....most angry people are angry about other things in their life...they use external incidents as a catharsis to express that anger...Buddha could teach us a few things about that....life is short...the land of smiles is a heaven on earth....embrace it