The Beginning of the End? Or The End of the Beginnning?

[alex1]

I am pretty sure a false flag tactic was used here. However, I'm not sure which side flew it. The state of inertia almost demanded action of some kind (by either side), so maybe something was required to move things along?

Nothing surprises me, there are plenty of previous false flag operations around the globe over the years.

Either way, it's very sad to see what happened. People should not die for their opinion.

AS far as the Reds are concerned the only opinion they have is the one given to them by the red leaders for which their reward is 500 baht a day.

And in the aftermath, some business the reds try to crush down now, the red elite might seek to buy the collapsed companies
real cheap and don't bother who died for that golden opportunities for further enrichment An if that really happens, will the BP been allowed to do some research on that?

[villager]

I am pretty sure a false flag tactic was used here. However, I'm not sure which side flew it. The state of inertia almost demanded action of some kind (by either side), so maybe something was required to move things along?

Nothing surprises me, there are plenty of previous false flag operations around the globe over the years.

Either way, it's very sad to see what happened. People should not die for their opinion.

AS far as the Reds are concerned the only opinion they have is the one given to them by the red leaders for which their reward is 500 baht a day.

Villager is the kind of guy who fits right in with the 'educated' supporters of military rule. His attitudes towards those who disagree with him is legendary in this forum. Why he calls himself Villager is beyond me though. He is very far from being a common member of any Thai village, his superior intelligence and work ethics would exclude him from that.

Hey Hansa (Knees and boomps a daisy) You will be next informing us who Know better that Vote buying do's not go on up here on a massive scale at every GE , and if you went to our local early morning fresh produce market and told all the stall holders that the reds were not being paid you would laughed off the place and thought of as some kind of head banger ,and in closing I would suggest you take a long look at YOUR OWN ATTITUDE to those who may disagree with your opinions ,then go on to GOOGLE and just key in, Are the red shirts in bangkok being paid? MAYBE Google is anti redshirt too,and obviously you are are very modest man , but then again you have so much to be modest about ain't you

[Absara]

Khun Villager,

If I may put my two cents (or two satangs) in, I don’t think anyone denying that people from the rurals get paid to come to Bangkok to protest. But that is not the reason why they came. They do not join the protest so that they can get the daily allowance of 500 or 1000 bahts. You know it and I know it.

If the reason behind the protest is to get paid 500 or 1000 bahts a day, then all the Prime Minister needs to do is doubling that amount for the protesters, and they would all go home singing and dancing, and likely vote for him at the next election too, right? The government spends billions of bahts for the military, and they can certainly afford a few million baths for the protesters to end the crisis.

The real issue is that the protesters are not after the 500 or 1000 bahts, though that money provides them the necessary mean to cover the trip. For many of them, the trek from their villages to Bangkok is a journey for a better future for their children. That is their motivation and dream, and no one can take that away from them because that’s all they have.

The world is changing at an unprecedent speed Khun Villager, and any society that ignores those changes will do so at its own peril…

[sunnysingapore]

well Bill, thanks for the insight. guess something got to give to end the deadlock but not this way.we wish thailand speedy recovery.nice day ya.

[villager]

Khun Villager,

If I may put my two cents (or two satangs) in, I don’t think anyone denying that people from the rurals get paid to come to Bangkok to protest. But that is not the reason why they came. They do not join the protest so that they can get the daily allowance of 500 or 1000 bahts. You know it and I know it.

If the reason behind the protest is to get paid 500 or 1000 bahts a day, then all the Prime Minister needs to do is doubling that amount for the protesters, and they would all go home singing and dancing, and likely vote for him at the next election too, right? The government spends billions of bahts for the military, and they can certainly afford a few million baths for the protesters to end the crisis.

The real issue is that the protesters are not after the 500 or 1000 bahts, though that money provides them the necessary mean to cover the trip. For many of them, the trek from their villages to Bangkok is a journey for a better future for their children. That is their motivation and dream, and no one can take that away from them because that’s all they have.

The world is changing at an unprecedent speed Khun Villager, and any society that ignores those changes will do so at its own peril…

A very interesting viewpoint Absara, and one which I agree with entirely ,All Abhi has to do is double the money what Thaksins paying the reds and they will all go home singing and dancing ,and likely vote democrat in the next GE , all this baloney about democracy ,freedom ,justice and equality for the rural poor in Issan, boils down to 3 things, money,money and money in that order,or in laymens lingo they are just political mercenaries and will sell their services to the highest bidder, an opinion I may add which I share with many of my Issan friends up here in Buriram. and to be quite frank Bill@Bangkok on Page 1 just about weighs the situation up perfectly .

[trtrz]

People admit voting buying openly, that's the sad bit and that's why there is an income inequality/oppression they are fighting against in the first place. People who buy votes would come in and corrupt state policies, making them inefficient to fund their next election and be re-elected.

This is true regardless of political alignments.

The tragic part is all these talks, all these fights, all these words are all about political figures (Abhisit get out! Thaksin get out!), but never has anyone express their voice for or against government policies, which is what would truly help the people not the existence of Abhisit or Thaksin on the PM chair.

[Hard_done_by]

It looks like many of the good citizens of Bangkok are going 'pink' from seeing too much 'red'.

I get the impression that the Red's influence is beginning to wane and that the people of Bangkok want their city and way of life back.

Hopeful signs?

Well, the meetings by ordinary citizens is one hopeful sign, and the other is the pictures of some of the reds practicing fire escape drill over a hotel balcony on short notice.

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[tommycrown1]

Thailand – What to do?
As a foreigner looking on Thailand and what happens I feel sad for the thai people. –Specially all that people who loose there life in this conflict and all that people who loose so much money on a falling stockmarket, falling real estate price, falling tourist figures, falling investments, increasing unemployment.-Same thing like when the yellow shirts occupaing the airport.
Is it so HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAILAND NEED?????????????????????????????????????????
LOOK ON THE HISTORY AND HOLD ELECTIONS AND RESPEKT THAT RESULT! –Only that can stop the countrys way to civil war!
And who is the big looser if it go so far? –Yes EVERYONE LIVING IN THAILAND

Worried farang who soon sell the house and go to vietnam

[Hard_done_by]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/176118/major-anti-udd-rally-set-for-may-2

At last, a group with the right answer:-

"... The petition would contain a call by the multi-colour group for the government to order the military and police to seriously enforce the law against the UDD's red shirts. ..."

It's as simple as the government to 'seriously enforce the law'.

[I hope quoting the moderator's newspaper's own news item will pass without a warning - still, I live in hope]

Mr. A. should have a good think about allowing a free press in Thailand.

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[grandpops]

I was amazed today at the speed with which justice can be delivered against poor farmers for blocking roads.

It is at least 2 years quicker than for anybody occupying an airport, firing guns from PAD sound trucks, killing intruder at Airport etc. World is watching.

On a lighter note, the great Thaivisa has gone yellow! Removing lots of good posts and leaving all the vitriol and sneers from its PAD members on.