Fail to plan or plan to fail…

[Voice]

HDB wrote “In my mind there are only two alternatives (1) protect lives, property, and infrastructure, or (2) aftermath = deal with death and destruction.

Whose lives are you talking about HDB? Are all human life is important we don’t kill unarm protesters because they happen to voice their discontent against government. Many leader has use this kind of self-justification in the way to rid of their rival. I suppose you will see the news this morning about what Israel has done. Yet they still making stand to what they did. The whole world knew that what they did was illegal but yet with self-justification they still tells the world that it was for self-defend. Even thou this crime have been committed in International water with all the eyes look over them they still say that they are not guilty one. What is that all about?

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HDB wrote “In my mind there are only two alternatives (1) protect lives, property, and infrastructure, or (2) aftermath = deal with death and destruction.

Whose lives are you talking about HDB? Are all human life is important we don’t kill unarm protesters because they happen to voice their discontent against government. Many leader has use this kind of self-justification in the way to rid of their rival. I suppose you will see the news this morning about what Israel has done. Yet they still making stand to what they did. The whole world knew that what they did was illegal but yet with self-justification they still tells the world that it was for self-defend. Even thou this crime have been committed in International water with all the eyes look over them they still say that they are not guilty one. What is that all about?

Hi Voice,

Well, I'm talking about the outcome of a terrorist attack - and the tension which exists between laws to protect us against those attacks and the resultant negative impact on our civil liberties as a consquence of those laws.

I can't agree with your trivializing the rally to the level of mere voicing 'discontent against the government', and although I think the government should have had the police down there and manhandle the lot of the UDD out of the rally site on the first night, I would say that in the end, there was no other choice but to do what they did.

To my mind, there is no point building a sandcastle below the water line on a surf beach and expecting it to stand (so to speak) - the UDD had warning after warning after warning. Every individual made his/own choice - the outcome for each of them is of their own doing. All of them could have simply left the rally site and set up a peacful one somewhere else, but they wouldn't because they had become frustrated that legal means were not achieving their desired outcome.

They chose the path to violence, not the government.

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I had a quick look and could only find information about one body.

[Voice]

Roger wrote "shell collector,
Why don't you look for google, yahoo or the other search engines. Then just type in Central World Plaza deaths. Then you too can read as I do, better still get your mother to help you. Even better, I know you can type in Bangkok Post, because you managed to get here, so why don't you do that too, then get your mother to help you understand that there are no sides, no colours, just the death of Thai people involved here.
You seem to be under the impression that if you are not yellow, you must be red. Me, I am Australian, 65 years old, with 21 of those years as a professional soldier, 9 years as a prison officer and a number as a mining engineer. I am neither red nor yellow. Hence my suggestion that the Bangkok Governor could do a better job than Abhisit.

RogerRamjet

I feel the tremor coming Roger! Good post! Roger

[Voice]

Roger wrote “shell collector,
There is absolutely no need to apologise for posting what you thought was correct. It takes a huge man to admit he has made a mistake, I applaud you.
This forum is about debate, in all forms, and debate is healthy, that is also why a country has politicians and a parliament. That is why you have parties in power and parties in opposition.
We are daily subjected to propaganda from both sides with each side trying for one-upmanship. That is politics. Even in so-called democratic countries people run with their heart on their sleeve and not their mind.
Mind matters most, everything we humans do and invent is mind made, and to expand our mind we need to look at both sides of the coin, make an informed judgement, whether it be right or wrong and then express our opinion.
As I said before, there is no need to apologise.

RogerRamjet

Yes Roger any opinions is good whether we can agree or disagree if we don’t have no opposing opinion we won’t know what is right or wrong good or bad as most people see things at the different point. As long as we don’t allow the evil within ourselves to overtake our mind and becomes vindictive mind.

[Voice]

Roger wrote “Dear Voice,
You make a valid point, do we sit and ponder for a while, look at both sides, then make an informed judgement, or do we run with our heart on our sleeve and the little gremlins running through our brain. Is everything we do black and white or are there grey areas where we must compromise?
Perhaps there is an alternative for the government, red, yellow, pink and green, perhaps even people from all sides may just be able to find a solution, if only they would talk with their brains. Unfortunately I doubt it.

Quote “Unfortunately I doubt it” It would doubtful if they deny any peaceful talk & compromise is the word. Yes they must stop using violence to solve their differences. People in authority must tops using their power to suppress opposition by violence means. Violence will meet with violence that is for sure. As long as we have doubt and doubt could turn into positive when we could compromise.