A Whole New Game

[Hard_done_by]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/39019/red-shirts-down-but-not-out

"... "It is only a matter of time before a new attack is mounted," the red shirt leader said. "It will be a whole new game." ..."

If the government isn't doing something, then it really should be:-
"... There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others. Niccolo Machiavelli ..."

There are risks:-
"... The new ruler must determine all the injuries that he will need to inflict. He must inflict them once and for all.
Niccolo Machiavelli ..."

Doublessly there is a strong case for the thai government to be readying for conflict (in times of peace, then ready for war ... machiavelli).

What surprises me is that the media reports such threatening words from either side of the conflict - it is very, very surprising.

[taurus]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/39019/red-shirts-down-but-not-out

"... "It is only a matter of time before a new attack is mounted," the red shirt leader said. "It will be a whole new game." ..."

If the government isn't doing something, then it really should be:-
"... There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others. Niccolo Machiavelli ..."

There are risks:-
"... The new ruler must determine all the injuries that he will need to inflict. He must inflict them once and for all.
Niccolo Machiavelli ..."

Doublessly there is a strong case for the thai government to be readying for conflict (in times of peace, then ready for war ... machiavelli).

What surprises me is that the media reports such threatening words from either side of the conflict - it is very, very surprising.

Thank you for bringing the link to my attention HDB, hardly a good omen for Thailands future!, however I tend to take what the red leaders say with a pinch of salt, what happened to "fight to the last man with their bare hands" etc etc, what a crock of s--- , I find his words foolish and misguided but no doubt another cheque will be in the post from Thaksin after such outpourings

[Voice]

I won’t call this a good news if it going to be true! To my surprise when I was question by not a Danish but by a local who live in Denmark about what had happened in Thailand. It seems people really did take a notice of what happen here. As you said Taurus is not a good omen for Thailand.

[taurus]

I won’t call this a good news if it going to be true! To my surprise when I was question by not a Danish but by a local who live in Denmark about what had happened in Thailand. It seems people really did take a notice of what happen here. As you said Taurus is not a good omen for Thailand.

The way I look at my friend is that the red leaders words were very Ill chosen, and must have sent alarm bells ringing in many Country's that what the worlds media saw nightly on TV could flare up again ,and anyone planning a holiday in Thailand may now pause and think again before parting with their hard earned money ,without doubt a spectacular own goal for the future well being of the guys own Country , but hey what the heck, since when did most people think about the well being of Thailand when the politics of self interest rules supreme,

[Eric]

What the UDD learned from the recent happening was that violence as part of the any demonstration can turn supporters and neutrals away and made their cause less appealing. Similarly, the PAD had lots of supporters given up on their fight when they went away from peaceful protests. In fact the Reds were doing very well until the violence elements took center stage. Even when the Red leaders denounced & ostracized the armed elements, it was too late. The UDD will get smart the next time and will unlikely to use any violence means in their demonstration which is well within their constitutional rights. They have a legit cause which connect with a lot of people and their passion to right the wrong has been admired. If they can control the next round of demonstration to be non violence, they can win back the hearts of the non-aligned.

[taurus]

What the UDD learned from the recent happening was that violence as part of the any demonstration can turn supporters and neutrals away and made their cause less appealing. Similarly, the PAD had lots of supporters given up on their fight when they went away from peaceful protests. In fact the Reds were doing very well until the violence elements took center stage. Even when the Red leaders denounced & ostracized the armed elements, it was too late. The UDD will get smart the next time and will unlikely to use any violence means in their demonstration which is well within their constitutional rights. They have a legit cause which connect with a lot of people and their passion to right the wrong has been admired. If they can control the next round of demonstration to be non violence, they can win back the hearts of the non-aligned.

Hi Eric , yeah a good solid post ,however IMHO if there is no funds to back the next civil insurrection it will be a non starter ,there is no doubt,in my opinion that all the red supporters where in BKK for was twice as much as they would get for cutting sugar cane for 12 hours a day , of course it is your prerogative to believe whatever you want ,but from what I hear from the locals in my area in Issan (Buri Ram ) all it boils down to is three things ,money.money.and money in that order ,the way I see it, having lived here for over 6 years, for these people up here tomorrow do's not exist its only today that has any meaning

[Voice]

Erik wrote “What the UDD learned from the recent happening was that violence as part of the any demonstration can turn supporters and neutrals away and made their cause less appealing. Similarly, the PAD had lots of supporters given up on their fight when they went away from peaceful protests. In fact the Reds were doing very well until the violence elements took center stage. Even when the Red leaders denounced & ostracized the armed elements, it was too late. The UDD will get smart the next time and will unlikely to use any violence means in their demonstration which is well within their constitutional rights. They have a legit cause which connect with a lot of people and their passion to right the wrong has been admired. If they can control the next round of demonstration to be non violence, they can win back the hearts of the non-aligned.

Yes Erik, if they can keep none violence as they tried it before but the government would say the same thing that it could be a third party or third elements again or the men in black. I think they should plan their next moves carefully. Or otherwise they will full into the same tactic that the government have the last time and it would end up in violence again. A mass strike could be good idea but it have to be total at least ¾ of the country to see it effective.

Taurus wrote “Hi Eric , yeah a good solid post ,however IMHO if there is no funds to back the next civil insurrection it will be a non starter ,there is no doubt,in my opinion that all the red supporters where in BKK for was twice as much as they would get for cutting sugar cane for 12 hours a day , of course it is your prerogative to believe whatever you want ,but from what I hear from the locals in my area in Issan (Buri Ram ) all it boils down to is three things ,money.money.and money in that order ,the way I see it, having lived here for over 6 years, for these people up here tomorrow do's not exist its only today that has any meaning

Yes Taurus you probably right about money without it to support it won’t have last that long. But I think you could be wrong about real grieves that could not buy with any money or price tagged. Thailand has gone down into a bottom of the pit through self greed and absolute control (dictatorship) with mafia mentality with guns in one hand and a carrot in another. I think they all have forgotten who is right who wrong since the above has got involved. Lives will be lost and continue to loose more lives until we learn not to be afraid of thing that never really there in the first place.

[taurus]

Yeah Voice,but the truth is I can only write of what I actually see in my area , there is no SOE here in Buri Ram ,the locals laugh and scoff at all the tales of as to just why the reds massed in BKK, I have spoke to quite a lot of people and all to a man or woman say the same thing ,ITS THE MONEY no ifs or buts ,I suppose many may disbelieve them ,but why should they all lie? , I read storys of discontent from other provinces, but IMHO they are just paid trouble makers ,and many local people here think the same ,as to whether the troubles will start again at some future date ,I find it doubtful,however as I stated previously , the Red leaders statement did this Country no good at all,in closeing I hope you are enjoying your travels and your Mother will continue to recover from her operation.

[taurus]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politic ... -natthawut ,although this is akin to asking the turkeys to vote for Christmas , I find it quite believable that the UDD should pin there hopes on a guy who confessed to wanting to burn BKK to the ground , the worrying thing is these are the very people who the opposition supported root and branch throughout their civil insurrection in BKK ,the way I view things the future of Thailand under the PTP (Thaksins lackeys) is far from rosy, ONLY IN THAILAND

[Eric]

Sawadee Taurus & Voices. Whether it is paying for demonstrators, paying politicians to secure the coalition, discrimination of developement budget for opposition constituency or money politics during election time; all these corrupted practices has been and will be around for a long time. Some form of corruption occurs in all democractic countries including the west. Most populace will grudgingly keep a blind eye as long as they have a decent and safe living. Some of the Reds may accept money to protest but without a passionate cause, who will want to risk their lives and comfort for money. And when you are poor and your back against the wall, your best chance to improve is only to push for changes. To them, Taksin does give them some hope and they believe him.

The violence and the coup are totally unacceptable. The coup have Thailand thrown back a few years in their road to democracy and aggravated the colors divide. Both must never happen again. Why the need of the coup when the constitution will kick Taksin out after 2 terms. Couldn't they wait for the remaining 2 years of his term and charge him for corruption like Chen of Taiwan? And the arsons and killings will only hurt the country. We can have political change without the need for both undemocratic means through the ballot box.

Certainly poor wealth distribution or inequality is the greatest hinderance to the discontent of the poor. Education will not be sufficient. Education with no job prospect is still a problem.There must be better policies on improving a balance economy and not just centralising all developements in few selected cities and provinces. There are so much work to be done to help the improvished provinces like better irrigation, water management, land ownership etc.

Will we get to the promise land; unlikely with this government or next.