Capitalism

[Voice]

Drake wrote “My friend, I thought you are for responsible people acting responsibly ?

Of course I am a responsible person and I will always act responsibly but some of people would respond different way when it comes to colour of money which led by greed. If we could take our responsibility seriously not just think about making as much money as we can make. Without thinking about the envelopments, child labour, and human cost of lives then it can’t have been acting responsibly. As Capitalism it will & always control and dictates how government should be without their financial support or lobbying which dictate how policy making government could not do without them.

[drake]

Drake wrote “My friend, I thought you are for responsible people acting responsibly ?

Of course I am a responsible person and I will always act responsibly but some of people would respond different way when it comes to colour of money which led by greed.

No argument from me on that.
BUT then one must look at what money really is.
A medium of exchange which can be accumulated. The more in one's pocket, the easier one's life.
Past a certain point of accumulation, money becomes a tool for power and control.

If we could take our responsibility seriously not just think about making as much money as we can make. Without thinking about the envelopments, child labour, and human cost of lives then it can’t have been acting responsibly. As Capitalism it will & always control and dictates how government should be without their financial support or lobbying which dictate how policy making government could not do without them.

Well, since we can't simply legislate away sins, we are stuck with reality.
In this natural world, big fish eats little fish.
In our world of limited resources practically everyone is out to get as much as they can and the next man be damn.
Try this experiment at your next gathering of friends.
Put down a pizza that's a tad smallish then walk away for a while and see if anyone saves you a piece.
Ever fought for that last piece ?

[Voice]

Drake wrote “Well, since we can't simply legislate away sins, we are stuck with reality.
In this natural world, big fish eats little fish.
In our world of limited resources practically everyone is out to get as much as they can and the next man be damn.
Try this experiment at your next gathering of friends.
Put down a pizza that's a tad smallish then walk away for a while and see if anyone saves you a piece.
Ever fought for that last piece ?

Yes drake big fish always eat a little fish! But fish only eat fish unless you happen to meet a very hungry shark. As human we are the most fear predator of all animal kingdom because we do eat everything meat & vegetable. I’m not saying that capitalism isn’t good for us but it should be law to control their movement better. I also know that its not going to be easy. We have this credit crunch around the world because they were left to do what they want. And now little people are paying for the mistake that the big fish has made. The government should be able to control them better rather them controlling the government. While all the Banker make their profit we all made to pay for their mistake. I know life isn't fair but we cannot let scotfree every time they make mistake can we!

Now we have car that run by water and electric yet it very expensive to buy one, so why do they price it so high? If the government around the world want to save the envelopment why don’t they invest in this technology and make it cheaper. If they were control by capitalist who dictated the government like those big oil companies we not going to see those technology come cheap any day soon do we. Or those guns & weapons manufactory if there is no war there will be no need for guns. So who is really dictate our lives in this big world of our, if it wasn’t capitalism

[taurus]

Voice my friend, simple question , I left school with a very formal education at 15 by the time I was 17 I was working alternative split shifts in a textile factory ,10am till 10pm and 6am till 6pm ,is it your belief that I should somehow have "SHARED" my money with the lazy Socialist layabout from next door ?,why should any hard worker share anything apart from the legal obligation of paying his taxes ?,and I would appreciate an answer to my question, "SOCIALISM IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF FAILURE,THE CREED IS IGNORANCE, AND THE GOSPEL OF ENVY,ITS INHERENT VIRTUE IS THE EQUAL SHARING OF MISERY" Winston Churchill , and while we are on about sharing the wealth are you aware are that according to Forbes magazine that the "prophet of socialism" Fidel Castro is rated #7 in the world for personnel wealth http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 1312.shtml (I suggest you read the link) yeah Voice as with Thaksin (justice, democracy,freedom of speech and equality in the eyes of the law irrespective of wealth or status) total hypocrisy rules supreme ,of course if you disagree with my input by all means speak out

[drake]

While all the Banker make their profit we all made to pay for their mistake. I know life isn't fair but we cannot let scotfree every time they make mistake can we!

Sorry, I'm not willing to paint institutions as a the evil incarnate here.
At the end, an institution is a collection of people and it's people who did the dastardly deed.
Countless thousands of individuals had made money out of market speculation, should they not share the blame as well ?

Now we have car that run by water and electric yet it very expensive to buy one, so why do they price it so high? If the government around the world want to save the envelopment why don’t they invest in this technology and make it cheaper. If they were control by capitalist who dictated the government like those big oil companies we not going to see those technology come cheap any day soon do we. Or those guns & weapons manufactory if there is no war there will be no need for guns.

Oh dear, I've herd this one before. A lot.
You want more government dole for pie in the sky projects that will provide us with free energy.
Well, there is no such thing as free lunch.
Internal combustion engine and petroleum fuel came to be on it's own.
NO government funding went in to the original R/D by Otto, Daimler, Maybach, and Benz.
As soon as FORD made it cheap enough for regular people to afford, automobiles took off like a rocket.
It's what people want.

Electric car was being developed along side the gas motor in those early days and heavily pushed by Edison.
The problem then, as is now, the energy storage mechanism.
We need a storage mechanism that is small, light, and efficient.
How should I put this, um, WE JUST DON'T GOT IT

The government of the world had sunk untold billions in to alternative energy programs in term of R/D, rebate, refunds,
tax incentives, and every little tricks in the book to give away TAX money. NONE of the alternative energy program has proven itself commercially viable, no project ever paid for itself much less made profit. They are all money sink hole.

This argument that the oil companies are suppressing alternative energy R/D is simply tinfoil hat bunk.
They are in the energy business and they have sunk untold millions in to researches on their own knowing full well that the first company to hold the patent to the free energy holy grail is going to rule the world and it might as well be them.

So who is really dictate our lives in this big world of our, if it wasn’t capitalism

It's not ideology that rules this world.
It's more like the seven deadly sins.
I don't care what flag they waves, the are all after the same thing for the same reason, one and all.

[MonkeyP]

Drake appears to have morphed into a fish while I've been away. Reality--Drake's word for astonishing scenes of greed, lust, wrath, avarice, sloth, gluttony and envy--is what humankind cannot bear very much of. (Sidebar: Hard to imagine what sort of people our fishy friend hangs out with, when he looks away from his pizza for a few seconds.) Some swallow Valium; others become socialists or monks. Not such a strange pairing. Now, liberal democrat capitalists: that's a different kettle of Drakes altogether. They like to 'compete', but only with each other, mark, leaving a sweatshop here, a parched desert there, and a half-gnawed pizza under the corpses. What I want to know is: how come only religious extremists of one stripe or another have ever posed any opposition to the grand march of capital?

[Voice]

Drake wrote “Sorry, I'm not willing to paint institutions as a the evil incarnate here.
At the end, an institution is a collection of people and it's people who did the dastardly deed.
Countless thousands of individuals had made money out of market speculation, should they not share the blame as well ?

Drake institution is man made so it is a natural thing that it would be people mistake that creates those problems. Back in 1995 while I was investigate into some government bonds that were offered to one of the private Bank that work with. I had found out that one of the biggest Bank which at the time was at the top of the list Bank has lost more than 80million pounds to some Bank Bonds fraud but it was never make into news they didn’t even reported this crime to the police. Why? It would have been the most embarrassing and it could lose it capability if the news ever got out. So while you’re stand in defence for the institution I know too well what went on inside. My argument here is that we should be more careful about whom we can trust. Crime and criminal are every where if it were made legal then it not a crime so it how you look at thing. Now around the world most people has turn to using cards Debit cards or Credit cards to pay for thing you can even buy sweet with your Debit cad today in the corner-shop. Soon we will be doing away with cash money. It would be an easy way to monitor your movement & spending. They will know how much money you have and they will know what have spent it on. You might not the different now because everything is make for simple use. So the big-brother is always watching us every move.

Drake wrote “Oh dear, I've herd this one before. A lot.
You want more government dole for pie in the sky projects that will provide us with free energy.
Well, there is no such thing as free lunch.
Internal combustion engine and petroleum fuel came to be on it's own.
NO government funding went in to the original R/D by Otto, Daimler, Maybach, and Benz.
As soon as FORD made it cheap enough for regular people to afford, automobiles took off like a rocket.
It's what people want.

What I am saying is drake as we all expect to have some kind of perfect world by not destroying it at the same time. As green house effect is getting larger G8 and G20 has been tried to get everybody to go green. I know that most Automobile industries has tried to work with the government but in some strange way one always win over the other, so things never get too far as ways to improve our envelopments. If they really wanted us to go green I think it right that they should make thing affordable.

I live in the UK and the tax on cigarettes is very high it cost now over six pounds for a package. Since 1973 they told us that the oil was running out some the rice went up. Back then it used to cost about 24pence for a gallon of petrol. It went up to 45p in 1973/4 within few more months it went up to 75ppgallon. Now we paid 1.20p per litre and the oil never run out. In fact in 1974 America planed to invade Iran because of oil. So who do we to believe or trust? I know I cannot have all things in this imperfect world but I won’t like to be make a monkey of every time they cocking thing up and we all end up have to pay for their mistake.

Drake wrote “It's not ideology that rules this world.
It's more like the seven deadly sins.
I don't care what flag they waves, the are all after the same thing for the same reason, one and all.

I have to agree with you there.

[Voice]

Taurus wrote “Voice my friend, simple question , I left school with a very formal education at 15 by the time I was 17 I was working alternative split shifts in a textile factory ,10am till 10pm and 6am till 6pm ,is it your belief that I should somehow have "SHARED" my money with the lazy Socialist layabout from next door ?,why should any hard worker share anything apart from the legal obligation of paying his taxes ?,and I would appreciate an answer to my question, "SOCIALISM IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF FAILURE,THE CREED IS IGNORANCE, AND THE GOSPEL OF ENVY,ITS INHERENT VIRTUE IS THE EQUAL SHARING OF MISERY" Winston Churchill , and while we are on about sharing the wealth are you aware are that according to Forbes magazine that the "prophet of socialism" Fidel Castro is rated #7 in the world for personnel wealth http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 1312.shtml (I suggest you read the link) yeah Voice as with Thaksin (justice, democracy,freedom of speech and equality in the eyes of the law irrespective of wealth or status) total hypocrisy rules supreme ,of course if you disagree with my input by all means speak out

Taurus my friend it doesn’t matter how you look at it when you put your money in the Bank you already share with many other. You may have your total there in sum but it would be rent out to people or invest in the way they see best and you cannot do anything about neither. No of course not I don’t expect you to share your money with any one else. Your money is your. It might sound to you like socialism talking with all my comment of late but without good explanation from government and in my deep feeling that thing has really gotten out of hand without anyone can controlling it. House price has gone up in such a way that next generation won’t be able to afford to buy it. Yet government hasn’t come up with some idea to solve this thing out. As they try to keep everything cheap for consumers the wage rise is minimal to keep up with inflation. Yet when we have the wage rise we kick up the inflation too. So it must be some control over the free market which comes down to Capitalism. Yes you probably right about Fidel Castro ranging it is to show us that even under communism some high rank officer still making their money out of the people back that goes the same with communist China too. As for Thaksin he is just another capitalist that tried to dictate poor Thai to his way of thinking.

[drake]

What I am saying is drake as we all expect to have some kind of perfect world by not destroying it at the same time.

Life in old Siam was good enough but everyone had to go and improved it.
Look at what we have now.
I'm a realist, I quit looking for the perfect world a long time ago and accepts this one for what it is.
Paradise is right below the concrete, if you can recognise it.

As green house effect is getting larger G8 and G20 has been tried to get everybody to go green. I know that most Automobile industries has tried to work with the government but in some strange way one always win over the other, so things never get too far as ways to improve our envelopments. If they really wanted us to go green I think it right that they should make thing affordable.

Oh dear. Let's not go there.
I thought the AGW thing and the horse that it rode in on was beaten to death here already ?
Guess who is pushing all those green propagandas and for what purposes ?
Follow the money.

I live in the UK and the tax on cigarettes is very high it cost now over six pounds for a package. Since 1973 they told us that the oil was running out some the rice went up. Back then it used to cost about 24pence for a gallon of petrol. It went up to 45p in 1973/4 within few more months it went up to 75ppgallon. Now we paid 1.20p per litre and the oil never run out.

Most of that 1.20p (50%ish) is end user's TAX just like that 3+ pounds out of the six on cigarette !
When you start factoring in what other taxes and fuel costs the producer, transporter, wholesaler, and retailer are passing on to you it start to look more like 60%+ !!
But, then, that's life as subjects of the Crown isn't it ?

The West was literally 'running out of oil' in 73 as the spigot was turned off.
It was called the OPEC Oil Embargo and that was before the North Sea production came on line.
The current rash of Peak Oil hype came mainly from speculators (commodity trader) and it's strictly a public con game.
In a large way, the oil rush of 2008 played a significant role in the global economy crash.

In fact in 1974 America planed to invade Iran because of oil.

US invading Iran in 74 ? Why ? The Shah was on board with the US then and there was no need.
According to my Iranian friends, refugees from the Islamic Revolution, most of the Iranian oil capacity went to the UK...

So who do we to believe or trust? I know I cannot have all things in this imperfect world but I won’t like to be make a monkey of every time they cocking thing up and we all end up have to pay for their mistake.

A quote from one of my favourite movie:
No need to believe in either side, or any side.
There is no cause.
There's only yourself.
The belief is in your own precision.

[Voice]

Life in old Siam was good enough but everyone had to go and improved it.
Look at what we have now.
I'm a realist, I quit looking for the perfect world a long time ago and accepts this one for what it is.
Paradise is right below the concrete, if you can recognise it.

Good morning drake yes I like the old Siam too. I think in my generation we had the best year as we grown up. Even though it was almost like living under dictatorship then.