The rich and the poor

[trtrz]

What do you mean politic doesn’t work like that? Any political party should have policy. To tell you the truth I haven’t hard about any policy from Mr. Ahbisit yet. What kind of policy does the Democrat have? You just cannot make any more excuse. Because they are in government they should have policy for economy, job, health, gross, security, foreign policy etc. I know that Newin have the control of the N/NE/SE and I am sure Newin & Ahbisit have some good relationship if not at least Newin & Suthep are in very good relationship, so why it difficult for the government to bring this kind of project which will benefit everyone in the long run. So what are you telling now is that Ahbisit have no real power because of those mafia politician at the North. I think it about time you should stop making this kind of excuse. What make you think he not going to be in government come next election. If Ahbisit real want people to remember him by I think he should start do something worthwhile for the country rather go on the witch-hunt with the red and foreign tourist.

You seem to have a very superficial view of my words. What I am saying is that projects went more slowly with local mafias putting state fund into the pocket, therefore the implementation was not as effective, and thus development is slower than other regions. This also include rebuilding work on infrastructure and vice-versa.

Meanwhile, saying that this govt has no policy is more to due with the lack of knowledge of policies in recent years rather than the lack of policy itself. This government starts off with Keynesian policies to trigger an economic recovery, since Thailand as an export country is affected from Hamburger crisis. They also facilitate the recovery of export industry, and therefore facilitate and achieve economic recovery and significant economic growth as much as 11% relative to a year earlier, when Abhisit became PM. In fact, Financial Times even state this, so it's no government media. The government also introduced price guarantee scheme for farmers to provide more stable income for farmers, which helps reducing income gap and provides development in long-term. And there was also land tax reform earlier, which Korn tried to push through, but obviously our parliament is full of landlords both on govt side and opposition, therefore it is meeting some friction. But with this bill, Thailand would develop at a faster pace with more fund to provide infrastructure for the general public.

I am anticipating your next argument to be another superficial accusation that I am a government spokeman, but I would like to state that at this standard anyone reading the news(in particular public policies) atleast twice a week is a government spokeman.

[Voice]

Trtrz wrote “You seem to have a very superficial view of my words. What I am saying is that projects went more slowly with local mafias putting state fund into the pocket, therefore the implementation was not as effective, and thus development is slower than other regions. This also include rebuilding work on infrastructure and vice-versa.

Meanwhile, saying that this govt has no policy is more to due with the lack of knowledge of policies in recent years rather than the lack of policy itself. This government starts off with Keynesian policies to trigger an economic recovery, since Thailand as an export country is affected from Hamburger crisis. They also facilitate the recovery of export industry, and therefore facilitate and achieve economic recovery and significant economic growth as much as 11% relative to a year earlier, when Abhisit became PM. In fact, Financial Times even state this, so it's no government media. The government also introduced price guarantee scheme for farmers to provide more stable income for farmers, which helps reducing income gap and provides development in long-term. And there was also land tax reform earlier, which Korn tried to push through, but obviously our parliament is full of landlords both on govt side and opposition, therefore it is meeting some friction. But with this bill, Thailand would develop at a faster pace with more fund to provide infrastructure for the general public.

I am anticipating your next argument to be another superficial accusation that I am a government spokeman, but I would like to state that at this standard anyone reading the news(in particular public policies) atleast twice a week is a government spokeman.

I know too well about what kind of corruption that went on in Thai railway. I knew it since beginning of 1990 and even what has happen to before and after 1992 coup. From governor to the managers they all corrupt. I seen them coming here year after years to London, Germany and Austria every years. Once I even ask one of them about where are all the rains that they bought goes to. I said when I visit Thailand I only see old train they just reply by smile back. So what you said is only just small part of it. I am sure that Ahnisit is aware of what goes on in Thai railway. I’m sure that with his education he could come up with some kind of protection again this kind of corruption.

It not too late to start now Ahbisit doesn’t need to go over the past policy he just needs to make a new one. He need to make policy that last not just a little trigger of economy is not good enough he must make good foundation. This entire crisis that you talk about is lacking of long term vision. We cannot reply on export alone have men and women that need jobbed therefore foreign investment will do us good. Relax the law and tax incentive should be a starter. Thailand can invest in technology with all those Phd under their belt of Thai graduate is also a good starter. Since we started to have some exchange only thing I hear from you that Ahibisit was the land tax. I haven’t seen any improvement since then. I think you alone here with this kind of reply stand up for this government so how else would I be think otherwise if you not employ by the government.

[Voice]

Well this topic has hit 15,610 hits yet it only 61 reply I think it the biggest hit I have ever seen in such short time since the topic start only few week ago.

Where is David all this time?

[taurus]

Hey Voice ,your quote "I am sure that Abhisit is aware of what is going on in Thai railway" in other words the "gravy train" made me fall off my chair laughing ,Wholesale Corruption here in Thailand (not just in the Railways) as you rightly acknowledge is decades old, why then did'nt the many other PM's do something about it? , it would appear you are blaming Abhi for failing to do what ALL other Thai PM's chose to Totaly Ignore, bit of the old hypocrisy and political bias there I would suggest , of course if you can name one Thai PM in the last 3 decades that did not have a huge question mark as far as corruption go's by all means name him ,ya know a sort of political "Khun Squeaky clean"

[drake]

Well this topic has hit 15,610 hits yet it only 61 reply I think it the biggest hit I have ever seen in such short time since the topic start only few week ago.
Where is David all this time?

I think he just lit the fuse and ran off to a safe distance to watch the nice fireworks....

[Voice]

Taurus wrote "Hey Voice ,your quote "I am sure that Abhisit is aware of what is going on in Thai railway" in other words the "gravy train" made me fall off my chair laughing ,Wholesale Corruption here in Thailand (not just in the Railways) as you rightly acknowledge is decades old, why then did'nt the many other PM's do something about it? , it would appear you are blaming Abhi for failing to do what ALL other Thai PM's chose to Totaly Ignore, bit of the old hypocrisy and political bias there I would suggest , of course if you can name one Thai PM in the last 3 decades that did not have a huge question mark as far as corruption go's by all means name him ,ya know a sort of political "Khun Squeaky clean"

Good morning Taurus I didn’t blame Ahbisit I just said that he should start some that other did do it. But trtrz was making all kind of excuses about why it couldn’t happen. And you know me I’m not going to let it go that easily without good explanation. And since he seem to have all th reply on behalf of Khun Ahbisit I thought I put the question through him.

Well you got me there because I cannot name one that you would call “Khun Squeaky clean”

[trtrz]

I know too well about what kind of corruption that went on in Thai railway. I knew it since beginning of 1990 and even what has happen to before and after 1992 coup. From governor to the managers they all corrupt. I seen them coming here year after years to London, Germany and Austria every years. Once I even ask one of them about where are all the rains that they bought goes to. I said when I visit Thailand I only see old train they just reply by smile back. So what you said is only just small part of it. I am sure that Ahnisit is aware of what goes on in Thai railway. I’m sure that with his education he could come up with some kind of protection again this kind of corruption.

It not too late to start now Ahbisit doesn’t need to go over the past policy he just needs to make a new one. He need to make policy that last not just a little trigger of economy is not good enough he must make good foundation. This entire crisis that you talk about is lacking of long term vision. We cannot reply on export alone have men and women that need jobbed therefore foreign investment will do us good. Relax the law and tax incentive should be a starter. Thailand can invest in technology with all those Phd under their belt of Thai graduate is also a good starter. Since we started to have some exchange only thing I hear from you that Ahibisit was the land tax. I haven’t seen any improvement since then. I think you alone here with this kind of reply stand up for this government so how else would I be think otherwise if you not employ by the government.

From this point onward, I believe it is a lost cause for me to explain the basic of macroeconomic public policies. But let me try one last time:

1. Keynesian policies are needed to stimulate aggregate demand(consumption in the economy), when there is a recession, which is in fact lack of consumption.
2. Thailand need to export and more export means better and favorable balance of payment. We are exporting country and if you try to force or pretend otherwise, many gonna lose their jobs and the economy gonna collapse.
3. without taxation, long term investment in infrastructure is not possible, because the government revenue is not sufficient to cover the government expenditure.

And if you have read my messages, there are much more than land tax. Right now you are blabbering on ungrounded accusation and since it is directed at me I would like to make a plea to you to behave more maturely.

Thank you for reading (if you are reading this time)

[Voice]

Trtrz wrote “From this point onward, I believe it is a lost cause for me to explain the basic of macroeconomic public policies. But let me try one last time:

1. Keynesian policies are needed to stimulate aggregate demand(consumption in the economy), when there is a recession, which is in fact lack of consumption.
2. Thailand need to export and more export means better and favorable balance of payment. We are exporting country and if you try to force or pretend otherwise, many gonna lose their jobs and the economy gonna collapse.
3. without taxation, long term investment in infrastructure is not possible, because the government revenue is not sufficient to cover the government expenditure.

And if you have read my messages, there are much more than land tax. Right now you are blabbering on ungrounded accusation and since it is directed at me I would like to make a plea to you to behave more maturely.

Thank you for reading (if you are reading this time)

Trtrz I am fully understood what you have been tried to say to me. But you have not been listening to me at all. It’s very well saying that what government is trying to do for our country. I also know what kind of problem we have regarding our export and our import is exceeding our export. You are quite right there about taxation Thailand has it problem when it comes to correcting tax from people and businesses for a very long time.

So please let me repeat it again with all this awareness government should at least make some plan toward Thailand future. Have you ever heard the term BOT base? Thailand has been progress through project base on BOT. Projects like BTS and the underground is base on BOT. I know that rail project would be big and it would take years to complete. The government could provide and divide project into section start from Bangkok to some major town and city which could link with the old system. Yes it takes a lot of money but with foreign investment it could help with our progress and it could help to reduce car user if we have faster train. So don’t mistake me for not knowing what I was talking about. At the rate of your excuses we won’t be able to progress at all. And I hope this message get to Mr. Ahbisit too. It does really matter how much time the government have in the office. Policies planning and implementation of plans would favour his party if he want to continue govern our country.

[Voice]

trtrz I hope you not going to give up that easily good debat come from good argument.

[KhunJoseph]

While Class Divisions and Disparity is an issue, it is way down on the list of of the 'root' causes of turmoil. Both the reds and yellows have their opportunistic reasons for foisting it to the forefront. For the reds it's "the Elite will keep us in rice fields forever". For the yellows it's "the commies will destroy our established culture". It's recruiting jargon.
The truth is, for the red and yellow leaders, it is a scramble to control the seats of Corruption. The recent 'stalemate' has had the perverted benefit of exposing the seedy underbelly.
In 8 decades of FAILED Democracy, there has usually been a quick victory by one gang over the other. A couple of times there have been mafia style truces. [There are some news hints that this 'dividing up of the lucrative turf' might be in the planning stages and they will call it democracy. - 555] People and societies can, HAVE to, accept rich and poor to function. The recent World Cup is an example. Billions can, happily, be spent to watch grown men kick a ball, for Vishnu's sake. The pleasure disappears, however, when a goal is made on a missed offside call. When the politics, military and police is all about 'hand balls', discontent will bubble and surface.
It has become more abundantly clear to pundits and observers that Corruption is a list topper of 'root causes'. The lack of Freedom of Speech, NOT wildness of, is also an apparent problem.
A completely overlooked, major, roadblock is the Apathy of the masses, though Abhisit has obtusely come close to touching this aspect of disenchantment.
The other big problem is the flawed, Western influenced political architecture. This is proven by the use of terms such as 'getting back to normal' 'planning reform' 'seeking reconciliation'. <<< All pointing the right way, but sorely short of taking the strides necessary.
The Kingdom of Thailand needs TRANSformation and TRANSconciliation to reach Her potential as an Asian leader and a World model. Acceptance of getting back to ABnormal is myopic at best, destructive at worst.
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How can there be Reconciliation, when there has never been Conciliation?
There has NEVER been a 'Normal' to get back to!