Imposing moral values on others

[surapong]

In the mainstream televised news media, one doesn’t find news shows that discuss issues in a frank, honest manner. Many pretend to, but they don't. That's not because the government passed a law against it. It's because the news media performs self-censorship.

This is due to:
cowardice the fear of upsetting the status quo and/or repercussions
the lack of imagination, the intellectual incapability to achieve anything above mediocrity
small-mindedness, the intolerance that lies at the heart of prejudice.
ignorance, the cluelessness of the role of the news media in a democratic society

Most likely it is all of the above.


Voranai Vanijaka
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... -democracy

[Voice]

Those narrow minded people is so fantastic with self belief and has no self confident and they love to impose what they think that is not possible for them to do on another. They will feel good if they could impose other to their way thinking and believe so we shouldn’t let this be their victory without a good fight. I think Khun Vanijaka rightly express what that has been out problem for very long times.

Most Thais love to do that by imposing their moral value on others without thinking about another people right in this world of Democracy.

[drake]

Those narrow minded people is so fantastic with self belief and has no self confident and they love to impose what they think that is not possible for them to do on another. They will feel good if they could impose other to their way thinking and believe so we shouldn’t let this be their victory without a good fight. I think Khun Vanijaka rightly express what that has been out problem for very long times.

Most Thais love to do that by imposing their moral value on others without thinking about another people right in this world of Democracy.

We might want to start by looking at what moral value or morality really is.
It's nothing more than collective opinions that changes with time & place and in most cases it's used to control society.
For instance, in Thailand and many other places on earth it is perfectly OK to put a child (say, age 4-12) in one's lap but
if you do that in the US you may find yourself staring at child molestation charges.

[Voice]

Hi drake as you rightly said about collective opinion in my own opinion it has to with how you been brought up. If you have been brainwash as a young child to see certain value according to the old culture or narrow minded view that is how it going to stick with you. It isn’t bad if you want to measure moral value but if you try to impose it on other that could be very bad indeed. What one think is right it not necessary right for another. Look at our society now parent & teacher is powerless to control their children because the law doesn’t permit them. Like you said what happen if you put a child on your lap just imagine if you have to give your child a bath. As society try to make thing in perfect sense but it fails to understand the human issue of duty.

[MTT]

Take just one issue: corporal punishment in schools. Mostly not allowed now. And the schools are out of control. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is good. But I do remember the possibility that it could happen was a good deterrent. Nobody in my elementary school back in the dark ages when I was in school ever wanted to be taken to the Principal's office where there was an electric paddling machine. Everybody knew it was there for really bad students even though none of us ever saw it!! Alas, all of those machines are gone now. Now the teachers and the good students suffer as the disruptive students take control.

[Voice]

MTT wrote “Take just one issue: corporal punishment in schools. Mostly not allowed now. And the schools are out of control. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is good. But I do remember the possibility that it could happen was a good deterrent. Nobody in my elementary school back in the dark ages when iwas in school ever wanted to be taken to the Principal's office where there was an electric paddling machine. Everybody knew it was there for really bad students even though none of us ever saw it!! Alas, all of those machines are gone now. Now the teachers and the good students suffer as the disruptive students take control.

Yes, since they have taken away corporal punishment school children has got out of control. Even though it might not happen everywhere but without some kind of system or control the children that cost the problem could turn into a real anarchy with rules. As most people saw corporal punishment as something very cruelty & abuse to children but without rule of control or punishment children could turn into a real problem. While they put a banned on coporal punishment they haven't come up with any plan to put control back in the parent & teacher hands.

[drake]

Take just one issue: corporal punishment in schools. Mostly not allowed now. And the schools are out of control. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is good. But I do remember the possibility that it could happen was a good deterrent. Nobody in my elementary school back in the dark ages when I was in school ever wanted to be taken to the Principal's office where there was an electric paddling machine. Everybody knew it was there for really bad students even though none of us ever saw it!! Alas, all of those machines are gone now. Now the teachers and the good students suffer as the disruptive students take control.

Then they grow up to be useless YOBs.

[drake]

Hi drake as you rightly said about collective opinion in my own opinion it has to with how you been brought up. If you have been brainwash as a young child to see certain value according to the old culture or narrow minded view that is how it going to stick with you. It isn’t bad if you want to measure moral value but if you try to impose it on other that could be very bad indeed. What one think is right it not necessary right for another. Look at our society now parent & teacher is powerless to control their children because the law doesn’t permit them. Like you said what happen if you put a child on your lap just imagine if you have to give your child a bath. As society try to make thing in perfect sense but it fails to understand the human issue of duty.

Hey, I guess I'm lucky that I've got my brain rinsed out a few times along the way ?
As I kept saying in another thread, you can't legislate/dictate morality.
But that's what we try to do every day through laws and religions do we not ?

[swwiss_candy]

Take just one issue: corporal punishment in schools. Mostly not allowed now. And the schools are out of control. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is good. But I do remember the possibility that it could happen was a good deterrent. Nobody in my elementary school back in the dark ages when I was in school ever wanted to be taken to the Principal's office where there was an electric paddling machine. Everybody knew it was there for really bad students even though none of us ever saw it!! Alas, all of those machines are gone now. Now the teachers and the good students suffer as the disruptive students take control.

corporal punishment is mostly not allowed,where is it allowed ?besides in the 3 stooges movies but now were in the year 2010 and even in most Congo schools its forbidden,sad Thailand is still 20-25 years behind the real world
maybe its just ignorance,corporal punishment has been outlawed for years in my region and our school suffers from any disruptive students,many kids and schools in my region hold dignity and honor as a daily practice.Your schools are only good as its teachers and facility

[MTT]

It is sometimes easy to see who is not a classroom teacher on these issues and even easier to see who hasn't been inside a school for a few years. Nobody is for corporal punishment. But teachers would like to spend more time teaching and less time in crowd control. Yes, in my hometown students for the most part know how to act. I have no explanation for most of the schools in Thailand. It is unfortunate. It is not the teacher. question: Why is one of the most prized pieces of classroom equipment in Thailand a loudspeaker?

And as for your comparison to Africa, I am not interested in discussing every issue. I heard most of the kids don't have a school to attend there and that many couldn't write anyway because the corporal punishment there often involves the loss of a limb by a machete chop. And it is stupid to bring in the eye-poking and head bashing of the 3 Stooges. No, let's not go crazy on our comparisons by generalizing.

Corporal punishment in school should not involve any more than a quick paddle swat to a fully-clothed rear end. And it should not be used until everything else has been exhausted. That point is reached somewhere between 'i don't know what else to do' and the reward of being given a few days off and being sent home for a day or two (which solves nothing unless the parents are supportive). I don't even advocate school involvement with drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes. These students should be given to police authorities. They have broken the law and they and their parents can deal with it. Not me, I teach grammar or maths or whatever. This shoving of all values education and responsibility to the school is ridiculous.