intellectual property rights vs. America

intellectual property rights vs. America

Postby Raymond O'Neal on Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:58 am

Why should America respect anyone's intellectual property rights? Most in this world think we must give to them because we have so much and they have a right to ask ! just cut off thier aid and hear what they have to say! Yesterday a anti-american brit [many] asked me why don't you yanks keep your nose out of the mideast let the jews take care of themselfs what would this world be like if we did this in 1939-1945 America stands by it's friends thank God we have so few. Most American,I know, want to tell the rest of this world to kiss-off ! A poll taken in the U.S. over 50% of Americans felt europe was a "enemy of America" and it is!
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Postby God Bless America on Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:39 pm

Agree !
Most average American folks know that the Europeans do not like Americans dues to the way they see Americans , a new kid on the block have made it great.

The Frenchs, the Germans are paticularly, they can not stand to see the Amercans OUTSHINE them.

My only hope that USA govt remembers this fact very well and do anything to outsmart those ill minded cousins on the other side of Atlantic.
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Postby bob on Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:00 pm

America became great by theft and genocide. In its history it has benefited from ideas and inventions stolen from others (not that the reverse is not true), remember the cotton gin. Where in the world today would it be acceptable for a group to land peoples and forces on a foriegn land usurp the indiginous peoples and then go on a centuries long process of claiming lands and imposing genocide and disease on the indiginous peoples in the name of manifest destiny. Perhaps one of the most important people in the formation of the new United States after inventing one of the most important safety innovations refused even applying for a patent so that no individual or group would be restricted from the ability to protect themselves, family,friends and busniness. That individual was Benjamin Franklin. Intellectual property rights restrict the opportunity to use ideas only for the financial gain of an individual. There can not continue to be this much selfishness in a modern world. Business and these intellectual property rights allow the mass of the world to remain in surfdom and restrict the growth of humanity. New ideas will always generate income for the inventor and manufacturer. The problem is they want to keep that income coming in, indefinitely, to the financial loss of everyone who might use it in the future.
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Postby bob on Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:14 pm

Perhaps the rest of the world should turn their backs on America. Where would we Americans be without them. America would have no one to export its goods and services to. No one to supply them with fuels and fresh produce, meats, and manufactured goods that are produced at a more economical cost or available during the cold winter. Without trade with the rest of the world the U.S. would disolve into a failed nation. The U.S. needs the rest of the world more then the rest of the world needs the U.S. The U.S. has enslaved its own people with its trade policies and itellectual propery rights, they also want to enslave the rest of the world. Manifest destiny still lives in the heart and policy of America.
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Postby bill on Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:18 pm

well if americans stopped buying from the rest of the world it would shut down the world economy, if we in the us boycotted other nations goods, they would be in a depression in weeks, most countries business exist because of consumers in usa
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Postby tingtong on Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:04 am

What does America have that you want? a private jet, a limouzine, a 300ft yacht, swimming pool equipment perhaps, or ridiculously large fuel guzzling vehicles that are no use to other countries.

Why dont they make electrics in 220V like the rest of the world?

They had better start thinking of something to export that we want,-- how much do they owe China now?
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Postby CrazyAhmadinejad on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:17 am

bob wrote:Perhaps the rest of the world should turn their backs on America. Where would we Americans be without them. America would have no one to export its goods and services to. No one to supply them with fuels and fresh produce, meats, and manufactured goods that are produced at a more economical cost or available during the cold winter. Without trade with the rest of the world the U.S. would disolve into a failed nation. The U.S. needs the rest of the world more then the rest of the world needs the U.S. The U.S. has enslaved its own people with its trade policies and itellectual propery rights, they also want to enslave the rest of the world. Manifest destiny still lives in the heart and policy of America.


First, importing a product does not mean you "depend" on it. This is like saying that when we "import" food from our local supermarket we "depend" on that supermarket. The opposite is usually true; exporters depend on us, since we are the customers. Also, importing a product usually means buying at lower prices, whereas producing in the United States often means consuming at higher prices. The truth is, the benfiets are shared by both importer and exporter.

Second,
Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution:
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Central to the theory of intellectual property rights is the Latin term 'Sine qua non' meaning (a condition) without which it could not be" or "but for..." or "without which (there is) nothing." It refers to an indispensable and essential action, condition, or ingredient. Without IP laws there would be no scientific advancement no new medicines... There would be no motivation to research, develope and market benefical products.

In Asia, as well as Thailand, IP violations are commonly referred to as "Copying" until someone want's to copy asian products, ..say Thai fragrant rice...then it is called stealing.

I was watching a bootleg copy, Master and Commander:The Far Side of the World (with Russell Crowe) on Siphon Cable (here in Pattaya) with my Thai girlfriend. The phone rang and she left the room for a monent to answer it. When she returned she asked, "what's happening?"

A said, "It's those pirates again" They've come to copy the ship!"
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Re: RE: RE: intellectual property rights vs. America

Postby CrazyAhmadinejad on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:28 am

bob wrote:America became great by theft and genocide. In its history it has benefited from ideas and inventions stolen from others (not that the reverse is not true), remember the cotton gin. Where in the world today would it be acceptable for a group to land peoples and forces on a foriegn land usurp the indiginous peoples and then go on a centuries long process of claiming lands and imposing genocide and disease on the indiginous peoples in the name of manifest destiny. Perhaps one of the most important people in the formation of the new United States after inventing one of the most important safety innovations refused even applying for a patent so that no individual or group would be restricted from the ability to protect themselves, family,friends and busniness. That individual was Benjamin Franklin. Intellectual property rights restrict the opportunity to use ideas only for the financial gain of an individual. There can not continue to be this much selfishness in a modern world. Business and these intellectual property rights allow the mass of the world to remain in surfdom and restrict the growth of humanity. New ideas will always generate income for the inventor and manufacturer. The problem is they want to keep that income coming in, indefinitely, to the financial loss of everyone who might use it in the future.


First, It was Europeans that killed 2/3 of all indigenous people in the new world and stole all the land from Canada to Argentina...long long long before there was ever an America...The idea of manifest destiny was a European idea from John Locke

Secondly, the cotton gin dates back to the fifth century BC.

Third, Ben Franklin was instrumental in drafting the US Constitution and he helped outline Copyright law.

Respectfully, Mr. Bob demonstrates that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about
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Re: intellectual property rights vs. America

Postby tingtong on Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:59 am

I read in the bangkok post a few years ago that America had stolen the Thia fragrant rice seed from Thailand and was producing it in America.
Thailand of course protested but what can they do to the mighty America.

America sends investigators here to search out people --sometime children selling t shirts that might have Micheal Jacksons face on it. These people dont know what they are doing and are making less per day than that American is being paid in one minute.

Something wrong with that?-- besides the hypocritical bit I mean?
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Re: intellectual property rights vs. America

Postby Adam on Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:20 am

220V appliances are made in the USA. We just do not use 220V for small appliances like razors or hair driers.
The USA Checrolet was the best selling car in China last year. Yes we owe Chaina a lot of money. I am sure China does not want those dollars they have to fail.
tingtong wrote:What does America have that you want? a private jet, a limouzine, a 300ft yacht, swimming pool equipment perhaps, or ridiculously large fuel guzzling vehicles that are no use to other countries.

Why dont they make electrics in 220V like the rest of the world?

They had better start thinking of something to export that we want,-- how much do they owe China now?
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