The PAD's Blockade of Government House and Parliament

[GaryLess]

[I would say that point [1] qualifies and also [3].

When people can occupy the Parliament and incapacitate the government without any legal repercussions, that is pretty much anarchy.

Are you serious?
The mostly peacefull blocking of public property already quallifies as a "state of lawlessness"???

Absolutely serious. Occupying/Isolating the parliament is illegal. If it is not illegal in Thailand, the legal system does not work. Ergo: lawless.
I also seem to remember that the latest coup makers did their utmost to ensure that the laws/constitution would work in their favour. So the current constitution is working in favour of the PAD and their supporters, and against the current government. PAD supported the coup, and does everything in their power to instigate another.

You use the term 'mostly' peaceful. That is illuminating. Many people are injured and some are dead, on both sides of the front lines. Chamlong encourages his supporters to throw teargas canisters on the prime minister. 'Peaceful PAD' blocks off streets with barbed wire, use trucks to run over police prepares tyres for burning etc. I have word for that also: riot.
I have read up on Sondhi and Chamlong. They are not exactly 'Mahatma Gandhi' material.

[wongkh1]

easy to see the PAD are trying to do whatever is necessary to force another coup. the leaders do not care who gets hurt, as long as their 'vision' of new politics can be implemented, even though they seem clueless what their idea of it really is. the picture on the front of bangkokpost.com of Chaiwat and Chamlong smiling says a lot about their priorities.

[speedlight]

Need to comment on the Justice, the Court system in Thailand ... I was wondering who are those MONKEYS sitting there without common sense:

>>Foxnews - the Administrative Court issed an order for the prime minister to "adhere to international standards" on crowd control measures.... Authorities must "use soft means before using tough measures when they disperse protesters in the future," the court's statement said.

Look at the quotes, other people overseas are laughing. I think should ask the people in the court to wear those police uniform and stand infront of the PAD protesters.

I feel that Thailand is in a total mess now, there is no unity. The Army, Police, Courts and Government ... all different entities and working against each other. Can the ////// step in to pull all these people together one last time.

[thailand lover]

yea speedlight you seem to have a point. i don know who is in whose camp and what their purposes are anymore. a plate of rotting salad seems more appetising than the current political mayhem...a few voices which i hope would grow louder dam soon are the voices of the peace advocates and the normal citizen who just wish for peace to carry on living.

more importantly, i wonder why is it that the supporters of the govt (mainly the rural voters in the north and northeast) have not been more vocal. one would reasonably expect that they would be furious with the suggestions of New Politics that the lawless PAD (my frens call them the padthai's) are proposing (ok, its ok to propose. no one is asking them to go mute. but its another thing to force it down the throats of 65 million). if only they could show their solidarity and disgust towards the padthai's and show them that they are watching.

[wongkh1]

the local MPs have probably been told to keep quiet as not to play into the hands of the PAD, i.e. reason for a coup.

[JustBe]

It's so sad to see that this beautiful country worsen to this state of chaos. Let's hope that there will be a more peaceful resolution sooner or later.

[bella]

The PAD are dragging the disgust that the Thai people feel for Thaksin as a political reason to oust the government.....they should be jailed for such an action.....

Just want to clarify this.
The Thaksin issue is completely seperate yet the PAD are using it as a reason to oust a freely elected government...this is wrong, they are using populist media techniques to keep this issue as the cry to arms to oust the government..this is wrong
Here in the UK the speaker of the House of Commons took tax payers money, we did not seek to oust the government ( though in this current environment there are many that would like to se that happen) we asked for HIS resignation and his resignation only NOT the whole government.

Thaksin issue seperate
Seeking ways of trying to oust a freely elected government and goading the military to intervene....that my friends is Treason

1) It's a democratic country and everyone has the rights to express their thoughts and unsatisfaction. I don't agree with the the bombing as it is also really hard to tell who started. The PAD is expression the thoughts of more then half the population who doesn't like Taksin. They might have gone over hand but I think this is a free country and everyone has the freedom of expression.

2) Why they keep ousting the government? Because it's the same team as Taksin. The present PM is Taksin's brother in law. Off course the PAD are not happy because different player but same game. Get someone from somewhere that is nuetral. Get a monk to be PM and they will all shut up. And why they asked to dissolve the parliament? Because the parliament is 80% Taksin's people. How can you have a fair match if the team members are not equal?

Let's not compare who is worst. Taksin bought football team? Military bought unneccasary weapons? All these are all BS. Let's get to the fact. Taksin sold AIS without paying tax. Wrong. D Prompt as it was called sold to Norweigians and change to DTAC but they paid tax. Changing the law to favor his business. Wrong, abusing of power. Knowing all the inside of the world economy. Dumping telecom to go to electrical and oil and gas business. All these were done under when he was a PM. He wants to do all these is fine but don't be a PM because everyone is watching you. He said he is no longer a share holder of his business but what is the difference if your family members are still share holders. Do you think this family will not force him to change law to favor the family business? He will not give information about the world economoy to his wife who is sleeping next to him every night? If he is really innocent, why won't his family come back to face charges? First they used Samak to help protect him but Samak was not strong enough. Now they got Somchai who is his brother in law that is closer and will do anything to protect his sister's family.

[oliversmith]

If there are any Thai Police or PPP people reading the forum, please advise on the following:
we would like to "donate" a few units of the Water Cannon Trucks so that it can be used on the PAD. I think they need a washup to wake their ideas. The payment can be make later after PAD is crushed. By the way, still need to address the water source used on the protesters as they may complain that Thailand is not using water of international standards against them.

Dead serious on the water cannon proposal.

great idea! I also suggest they make ecological tear gas made of durian!

PAD is a serious joke party taking the country down, just complaining all the time against elected people. They don't bring any democratic solution but feeding their ego in front of paid crowed. Try to do block official building in a western country you'll get kicked out or even shot.
Being a foreigner I'm not pro or con any of the party, I just find stupid the way the crisis is handled. Looking at the background of PAD leaders makes me think that those guy are not even better. They take the country down and keep the investors away. I may even consider to move out the kingdom to relocate and invest in countries where situation is more stable and where investors are welcome.
PPP may not be the best solution but PAD isn't better. Have a look at the background of their leaders http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/vdo/Aug28PADleader.PDF

PADwill complain AGAIN when in few days another Coup will happen because of the non-democratic process. What are the other options? I don't see any other.

[Minnie]

Bella, I appreciate your sentiments, but you are doing exactly what I said is WRONG.
You are using your disgust of Thaksin to oust a freeley elected government.

The two issues are SEPERATE
Most people here in the UK did not like Thatcher but we didn't dissolve the Tory party, we got rid of her.

AND this is YOURS and the so called PAD protesters who are been led by Dictators for their own use, Thailand will loose any shred of democracy if you keep linking these two threads together.

They are seperate issues.
The PPP had a majority vote thought out Thailand
The constitution that the coup makers changed to save their backside I remember writing into this forum year ago was shown to have been voted in by less than 30% of the Thai population./..that is NOT a majority.

Inciting another coup will completely and utterly destroy Thailand the only people that will win are the elite classes and the Military gansters of the past AND not the poor rural workers.
I heard rumours that connects Sonthi with some very unsavoury maffia bosses in Koh Samui..wonder why they wasn't a blockage at the Koh Samui airport !!!!

Your issues made are seperate as I have shown in my example of Mrs thatcher

[Minnie]

PPP may not be the best solution but PAD isn't better. Have a look at the background of their leaders http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/vdo/Aug28PADleader.PDF


Do you have it in any other format I'm having real difficulties opening it