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• Shauna

  Discussion 23 : 07/05/2009 at 09:46 PM23

  Good evening. Any transition serious enough to alter your definition of self will require not just small adjustments in your way of living and thinking but a full-on metamorphosis.
  I am from Libya and too poorly know English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Ltima edici n - de septiembre de bologna to detroit, cheap plane tickets from mackay, cheap airline tickets."
  
  THX :-(, Shauna.

• Legal Notice

  Discussion 22 : 11/01/2009 at 12:25 AM22

  I am sorry to see so many of the postings here being so unserious and untruthful. Not to say so hateful, full of vengeance and biased to each other. I think it is ok that we are all having different views on political issues, but we should all respect each others fundamental right to voice our opinions, without the risk of being ridiculed by inferior human beings, like I for instance see wtf , levenfeld and thaiman are doing again and again on these columns.
  
  If we lose our respect for these basic and fundamental human rights of our fellow human being, we only end up on the same level as the members of the terrorist organisation PAD. As undemocratic, without respect of our opponents convictions and in line, boxed up with and on the same low level as other dictator wanting and liking groups like the Nazi brown shirts and SS, Stalin’s KGB, Mussolini’s black shirts and so on.
  
  Therefore I think it is great that we have such good people contributing with their support and knowledge to democracy in this channel of public opinion. And the best example is as I see it, the one who write under the name of DREY. A true champion of democracy and I think it is a shame to see that some idiots here try to bully him of writing. SHAME ON YOU!

• Drey

  Discussion 21 : 10/01/2009 at 06:49 AM21

  To All Foriegners who agree with all that has happened for "the good of the country" SHAME ON YOU.
  
  As a foriegner living or just visiting you should be good teachers of Democracy for all Thai's.
  
  You don't destroy the foundation of Democracy, the Constitution, it is all that a nation can stand behind hand in hand. It was, pre-coup, a similar constitution that we free people in UK, France, America, Australia, etc. enjoy. Everything we learned at school in our home countries about Equality, Justice and Freedom revolves around our constitution. We would NEVER allow it to be manipulated for the benefit of the few versus the whole.
  
  You don't throw away the two party system which is absolutely essential to a balanced government,
  
  You don't abandon the checks and balances and equal powers between the Electorate, Judiciary, Executive and Military branches. If you don't like your leader wait until the next election and vote someone else in. If your leader did something illegal impeach him, prosecute him as you would all do in your birth countries.
  
  You would never allow any of these things to happen in your birth country. You would NEVER condone it!
  
  Why should you (how can you?) justify any of it here and not be labeled a hypocrite?
  
  Shame on you to say that "Thailands Democracy" is different so this is "acceptable",
  
  Shame on you to change the same principles you grew up with and cherish openly in your birth countries to be so easily abandoned,
  
  Shame on you to justify a military coup! Especially in a country with a fledgling Democracy which just freely elected its first EVER Prime Minister by way of popular vote.
  Each and every country post-coup emphatically stated "We do not condone any military coup that usurps the prinicples of Democracy and its freely elected leaders...we wish for Thailand to return, as soon as possible, to its Democratic principles by way of free and open elections...".
  
  Shame on you to offer a future for all Thai's of nothing more than strife, division, polarization and military involvement for the foreseeable future.
  
  One Man One Vote. We have only One Voice, make it count for something.
  
  Be good teachers of Democracy. It is all we have to offer in all this right?

• Ghost of Drey

  Discussion 20 : 09/01/2009 at 04:17 PM20

  I am driving you crazy and simply loving it.
  Demand that Thaksin pay you more!!

• Thaiman

  Discussion 19 : 09/01/2009 at 02:33 PM19

  Thaksin & Pojaman In Sanoh's Perceptions
  
  Sanoh in his interview article "Choose Thaksin or Choose Thailand?" claiming that he had superficially known Thaksin since 1986 when Thaksin was an escort police officer of a minister.
  
  "Thaksin always tried to build connections with any political party top leaders for his business sake."
  
  "When I changed to be the secretariat of the New Hope Party (Kwam Wang Mai), Thaksin gave (financial) support through General Chawalit Yongjaiyuth, the leader of the New Hope Party then. That is why Thaksin later got the seat of Deputy Prime Minister
  (in Chawalit's cabinet)."
  
  "Even more, before Baht Crisis (1997), upon Amnuay Weerawan, the Financial Minister then, resignation there was an idea to assign the seat to Thaksin. I approached some reputable people and Kosit PanPiamrat accepted to help in the Financial Minister post. Instead, it turned out to be Thaksin brought in Thanong Pitaya, the Thai Military Bank Executive then, to take up the post behind my back when Thaksin conspired with General Chawalit and Pokin Polakul, the ex-Minister of the Office of the Prime Minister
  to appoint Thanong."
  
  "Before floating the Baht currency, I did not know because I was the outsider of their circle. There were four people who got involved in the Baht depreciation, i.e. Chawalit, Thaksin, Thanong and Pokin. How much they knew, I do not know. They said they did not know. There was no receipt. However, if you ask me what was the result of the Baht floating. I would say it was obvious that only Thaksin alone survived. The result is obvious. Buying a lot of currency hedging or buying a lot of dollars before the declaration of Baht currency floating is like setting fire to one's own house to get the insurance reimbursment. The nation's economics is damaged just for the sake of self survival from the reimbursement." Sanoh said.
  
  Sanoh said,"If you want to know what Thaksin is up to, you have to understand what kind of person he is, because the characteristic and the self of Thaksin dictate the behaviours of power usage and Thaksin's administration which, as a whole constitute Thaksin regime, which has both the system of administration of power and (unlawfully) earning benefits coinciding together."
  
  "Thaksin has educational qualifications but lacks of a mature leadership. He has no leadership particularly at national level. He has no experience in administration of the bureaucratic system.
  Although he used to work as a police; it was not long. He spent spare time with his personal business.
  
  He was a gambler and careless. He used to have (debt) problems with his business when he had to cash some cheques and was sued for bouncing cheques. He prefers doing business management as a quick thinker and a quick doer with marketing as a tool."
  
  "I advised him that the policy of registration of being a poor was not feasible. It could not be just an announcement. If it was just a plain registration then people who have debts but are not poor would also get registered as well. It would be a mess." " I do not agree. Only with common sense, I could see that it could not be done. It would be possible only as numerical figures to be advertised in the election, but otherwise, it would never be materialized."
  
  "Thaksin replied..Alas!..Sanoh, my brother, would a blind be afraid of a tiger? If we do not talk like this, how would we win the votes?" "His words prove that he is not honest with the declaration of the policies. He just declared it first and would find the ways to market it afterwards. He put the future at risk but secure the votes first."
  
  "He is not interested in bureaucratic operational processes including SML projects. I warned him that it might be considered as vote-buying because it was during a general election." "Thaksin replied...What a pity brother!...The power is in our hands. The Election Control Commission is ours. The people are ours."
  
  "Recently, before the general election on April 2, 2006, there was a violation of laws by hiring people to attend speech rallies. It was definitely illegal but the Election Control Commission was ignorant.", said Sanoh.
  
  Sanoh said, "Thaksin once told his cabinet ministers...Do not take anything seriously. Just do what you are told (by me)." "Any of Thaksin's ministers who are serious, careful, cautiously warning, will not last long. Any ones who want to stay have to say "YES" only. For example, Pinit (Jarusombat) used to say...Mr.Prime Minister, I never heard anybody's idea as good as yours.''...Or Newin (Chidchob) always says..."Good, Boss. Good, Boss".
  
  "For such reasons, for some ministers in election periods, there were always plenty of ballot cards fraudulently printed in excess, fully packed in their cars (ready to commit electoral frauds) . They will be warmly and closely supported as well as closely supervised later (by Thaksin)."
  
  "Moreover, there have been family businesses allowed to get an entirely absolute control of the government's deals, starting from placing a whole set of staff from some business firms into various government offices without formal official positions. Practically, however, everybody in the Ministry would know who these people belong to. What to be done must be approved by these people. Simply, two or three agents take control of any deals in every ministry."
  
  "He is like a manager sending people to take positions in various committees of the House of Representatives. As well, with the cabinet, if any Minister wants any of his projects to be approved and financed by the hugely allocated central budget, he must complete a negotiation with Thaksin's agents first."
  
  "Several Ministers are approached by Thaksin's agents offering an easy approval of any projects for no matter how many billions they may cost, only to pay (TRT party) a ten per cent commission. It means with such commission, the Minister is able do anything whatsoever with just a project plan."
  
  Sanoh said, "If any Minister does not do it, he will not be able to stay. When planning a project, project consultants with connections (to Thaksin) only are allowed to win the consulting contract. The best stealthiest method is a special procurement which skips standard processes. If a deadline is set to be strictly on a certain date, like Suwannapoom Airport, this special procurement (without standard bidding) will apply."
  
  "With the ten-per-cent policy, the Minister must set up a project, starting from the budget figure first, to cover the ten per cent commission for the party. Then, he would negotiate the deal with the agent of Madam (Potjaman) to get an approval. Having done that, a Minister's reliable collaborator would take over the project for submission into the cabinet in which the PM will both present and formally approve the project in a single stroke. Cabinet ministers do not have to think or question. Even today, nobody knows how much of ten-per-cent commission would total. We may have to ask Madam (Potjaman)."
  
  Sanoh said, "The most unbearable is the interference with the Governor of the Office of the Auditor-General of Thailand as well as the interference with the (Constitutional) Independent Entities (The Check and Balance Authorities : National Counter Corruption Committee, Election Control Commission, Constitution Court, House of Senate) and lese majesty" This is the last straw which made me rise up to debate on June 8, 2006 to declare a break up in the House (of Parliament). I can say, If he could have taken my life, he would have done that. He is revengeful but has not got the gut."
  
  "Afterwards, some of Thaksin's men approached me several times. I frankly told them
  ...As it has gone so far, without his self-restraint, into an publicly exposed breaking up, the most important issue is the PM must be able to resolve all of the allegations."
  
  "I also said...If (Thaksin, you ask for) we are going to dinner together now, what is next, then?...I prefer being a man to being a (lying) dog...Please."
  
  Sanoh said, "Before all these problems, I tried to warn (Thaksin) but it turned out to be conflicting with his benefits in all aspects. For example, I warned (Thaksin) about some ministers committing corruption because I thought he did not know. To my big surprise, Thaksin himself ordered all those. Any Ministers who did not follow the orders, later could not stay on."
  
  "The current conflicts originated from the only single cause, that is Thaksin. This person cheated to get the power. With power in his hands, he remains cheating. He is extremely dangerous to the country because he has educational qualifications. He conspires to take advantage on others. It is so disgraceful of him in being the country's leader."
  
  "I remember his words to me... Brother Sanoh, I am ready. Some assets are given to my children. Some are given to my parents. My wealth is so much abundant that till death, I cannot consume all. The rest of the assets will be for the country, a payback to the homeland."
  
  "I was once lured by those words, and believed that it was possible for a person after getting rich, can turn back to payback to the homeland. Now, I know the truths. Being rich from cheating the country, daring to set fire to the country for the reimbursement, he would never be rich enough. Not paying back to the homeland is not enough for him, he still cheats on and betrays the homeland."
  
  Sanoh said, "I used to warn Madam Aw (Potjaman)...Sister, if you get another 100 billion, what would you do?...They said...I know. But being in politics, we have to pay. So, it must be considered a business."
  
  "I seriously warned them so badly that...In the future, if the worst may come, it is going to be the leaders who suffer most." She said... "I know. If Thaksin is to step down, Thai Rak Thai party must last for at least two terms to cover up for safety."

• Meow Meow

  Discussion 18 : 09/01/2009 at 02:32 PM18

  Thanks goodness that no children were hurt by this bomb that was planted by people who clearly do not care about the safety of others.
  
  Has anybody noticed how the rhetoric of some of the PAD supporters sound just like the NAZI Germany rhetoric of the 1930's and 1940's? Talking about the lower class people not having rights and that they should be put in relocation and re-education camps. He said used the term "final solution". If this is not startling and extremely disturbing, then many of us have failed to learn the lessons of history. It is that type of verbiage that was used to lead the people of Germany down the path of Naxism which ended in near total distruction of their country and the death of many millions of people. There is no place in today's world for discussions of that type and hopefully the there are very few followers of that line of thinking. The people of northern Thailand are just as valuable to the success of Thailand as every other group in the country. Often they just do not have the same opportuntites, but with a strong Thai economy, their lives as destined to improve.

• levenfeld LAST POST UNDER THIS NAME

  Discussion 17 : 09/01/2009 at 02:12 PM17

  HOWDY, DREY is now using and posting under name "levenfeld" so I am moving to different name. It is really funny that only yesterday DREY thought posting under someone else's name was worse than baby killing...and then today he does it. Ah, to be a paid red-shirt. And again DREY, thank you so much dude for the fun and success. I really got you mad and you spent lots of time on me. A most successful adventure!

• levenfeld

  Discussion 16 : 09/01/2009 at 01:27 PM16

  Thank you for your support Legal Notice. It is not easy when some low life character who calls themselves by a ludicrous name like DREY always bumps up trying to steal sunshine from our movement. It’s even so frustrating some times I find my self not to enjoy my evenings out in the Ladyboybars in NANA PLAZA.
  
  It feels good to know that we have so many people behind us in this glorious PAD movement. As you know the only regret I have is that we must wear yellow shirts, even if we all like brown shirts better.
  
  And for you DREY; YOU KNOW WHAT WE IN THE MOVEMENT ARE PLANNING FOR YOU I GUESS. Just wait now for us in the PAD to open our special relocation and re-education camps. Then you will see what’s ahead of you.
  
  You sure deserved your 30 in silver this time. Feels good to have your support.

• Legal Notice

  Discussion 15 : 09/01/2009 at 12:02 PM15

  Everybody should now use the name DREY for all of their postings here. There is nothing legally wrong in doing this and violates no rules of this board. Even better, it will drive away the real DREY.

• Drey

  Discussion 14 : 09/01/2009 at 12:01 PM14

  Sorry for taking all of this space everyday, but I am paid to do this so I must.

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