TRC report blames reds, army

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Published: 18 Sep 2012 at 00.00
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The Truth for Reconciliation Commission officially presented the results of its two-year investigation into the 2010 anti-government protests yesterday.

Kanit na Nakorn, chairman of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC), andTRCmember Manit Suksomjit, left, appear at a press conference yesterday as theTRCreleases its final report on political violence during April-May 2010. APICHIT JINAKUL

The probe blamed both the red shirts and the military for the violence that resulted in at least 92 deaths.

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mr.meldrew
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Discussion 44 : 19 Sep 2012 at 08.3544
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ringmaster: Answer me this question; if the protesters had come, made their point for a few days and then left and/or had dispersed when warned after 2 months of intimidation, violence and killing of the public and security forces, then how many would be dead? I’ll tell you, none.

Every death is because they stayed and caused mayhem and death in a major city. Of course they had to be dispersed. They were killing people. And if they didn’t respond violently to the crackdown then maybe less or none would have died but they didn’t. They shot back with guns and grenades.
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Discussion 43 : 19 Sep 2012 at 08.1843
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ringmaster D21: You ask me how many were armed? Neither you nor I will ever know that answer, but many were which you deny in your 1st post. Easy to take a weapon off red comrade as he hits the deck thus rendering him ‘unarmed’. Red and Black shirts were attacking security forces from within non armed protesters with snipers and grenade launchers, thus using them as human shields and hoping for casualties to put the authorities in a bad light. They achieved their goal and of course unarmed people died. That was the whole idea.

If the armed protesters within the protesters had not shot and killed using war weapons; Ak47s, M16s, M79 grenade launchers and M67 grenades then it didn’t have to get deadly. But they did and that is an undisputable fact. Of course they had to be dispersed by any means possible.
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Discussion 42 : 19 Sep 2012 at 02.5242
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Disc 36 Sorry, the number you and HRW gave is totally unsubstantiated.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/20405/2275-where-did-this-number-come-from/
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Discussion 41 : 19 Sep 2012 at 00.0241
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D31 I never said there weren't armed men in red shirts or armed men in black shirts. But perhaps they may not have felt the need to be armed if there was not complete impunity for the men in the green shirts. If Thailand is to ever get out of this cycle of violence and massacres that has happened over the past 40+ years then impunity for the military needs to end.
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Discussion 40 : 18 Sep 2012 at 18.5840
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englishbob D39

You are always going on about how people don't care about the drug war deaths etc. OK! I'll back your campaign for prosecutions 100%, now, show us the proof you are going to use to get a conviction.
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Discussion 39 : 18 Sep 2012 at 18.1939
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Disc35 - "P.S. There were no "weapons of war" either!"
Those 2500 people executed without trial or proof of guilt, probably weren't concerned about your classification of the weapons used to shoot them.

I find it incredible how glibly you dismiss 2500 cold-blooded executions over an extended period, with plenty of opportunities for Thaksin to stop the bloodshed. But you will blame Abhisit for the deaths that occurred in the heat of battle - and it WAS a battle - between two armed groups.
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Discussion 38 : 18 Sep 2012 at 16.5138
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D26,Khun Raimund is spot on. The extinction of the greedy and ruthless Shinawatra dynasty will bring peace,unity and prosperity to the Thai people.
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Discussion 37 : 18 Sep 2012 at 16.4637
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whatajoke D27

I agree that the report is useful as it is the first time any official report on violent clashes in Thailand has been made public.
However the commission seems to have got cold feet and backed off from making any real findings about guilt. Its all very well to be pro prosecution and anti amnesty but if no prosecutions happen then amnesty is the only way. The worst thing would be selective prosecutions.
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Discussion 36 : 18 Sep 2012 at 16.4036
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Disc 35 - "This is a totally unsubstantiated statement that you just made up! How do you know?"

Substantiated - http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/type,COUNTRYREP,HRW,THA,412efec42,0.html
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Discussion 35 : 18 Sep 2012 at 16.1435
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"@Disc 14 - If you look back at TRT's days, they deployed war weapons on their "War on Drugs" campaign. Sadly more than 2500 lives were lost, most were innocent people"

This is a totally unsubstantiated statement that you just made up! How do you know? I lived in the hills during those months; I knew men who were executed, mid-level dealers & I know who did it too. NONE of them were 'innocent' & all of them were warned to quit first. Most did, these did not.

P.S. There were no "weapons of war" either!
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