Jatuporn claims Kasit gave orders to spy

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• Bubba

  Discussion 37 : 19/11/2009 at 12:00 PM37

  Tony: i could care less about Taksin and Chavalit (the latter in particular has a very long history of dubious activities, including his roles in previous crackdowns on people)
  
  I also know full well the madness of slaying 3,000 people without going through the proper channels, albeit many suspect that was really police acting on behalf of gangs wanting to control the drug market. I do not know either way.
  
  What I oppose most is the 17th (or is it 17th) military intervention in politics. That many coups/attempts in six decades should be proof enough they do not work.
  
  I am i support of democracy, with all its ups and downs, disappointments and triumphs.
  
  In the USA sometimes we get men like Kennedy, and sometimes crooks like Nixon, or (for many) manipulative liars and money hungry men like Bush.
  
  In Italy you can get a Berlusconi, also a crook in the same style of Taksin. I come close to despising this man, but we must wait and hope that in time "within the democratic process however imperfect it may be" the solutions will be found to better the process.
  
  It is not by tearing down the house every few years that it will ever get refurbished.
  
  As far as your language goes you are way too vehement, as now for example "This is Peau Thai! Traitors and crooks to the core bent on destroying this country".
  
  They are not traitors. They are not bent on destroying the country. They may, in your POV be misguided and yes, some manipulated. But by refusing to listen to them you simply aggravate them and pressure them even more. They do have some legitimate gripes. They also feel their votes have been stolen. And that is true.
  
  Lastly regarding Hun Sen, I think everyone knows this is not a man of the same ilk as a Lincoln.
  
  But why suddenly ofter decades of silence n the part of Thailand is the government trying to transform him into a monster?
  
  They are trying to insinuate he was some high up official in the Khmer Rouge.
  
  There are two points:
  
  1) Hun Sen, when young defected and went to Viet Nam. he organized a resistance and actually was one of the leaders to OVERTHROW the Khmer Rouge;
  
  2) Thailand forgets its own role after the KR was toppled. As does the USA and the Cambodian royalist party. The royalists fought alongside the KR and the USA refused to acknowledge the new government stating the Khmer Rouge was the only legitimate government! And that went on for decades.
  
  There are also links to Thailand which are very dubious, including how the military is believed to have made big money during that period. But this is not want we want to think about at this time.
  
  I object not so much to your opinions but to the exaggerated language and B&W points of view you state.
  
  Lastly you state education is what the country needs. I fully agree. But the military and current government do not.
  
  Within one year of overthrowing the government in 2006 the military more than doubled its own budget. Part of that money came from funds meant to be used to better health care and education in the countryside.
  
  Yes of course Taksin was "helping" the poor folk in order to better his own position. But when the poor are so in need their voting for pennies in the pocket is understandable.
  
  but, if the poor are ready to vote in a man of questionable character like Taksin for a few bahts, that suggest two things, not one:
  
  1) Taksin knows how to exploit the poor and near poor for his own benefit, but;
  
  2) For decades the poor have been in such poverty they can be manipulated to vote for what little is given them. And that, for me is the crux of the matter.
  
  The poor deserve a fair shake, and they will not get it from a military propped government.
  
  We can disagree all we want, but in time you will see Thailand move and become more and more repressive as Burma. There is no doubt about that.
  
  Kennedy said the democracy that cannot take care of its poor cannot not in the long run protect the rich. And that is what is happening in Thailand. The poor are sick and tired of their lot and want a fair shake. That they will gain far less than they believe through Taksin is sad for them. But it is better than getting nothing but handouts now.

• Tony

  Discussion 36 : 19/11/2009 at 09:51 AM36

  How does Jaturporn do a service to his nation by giving foreign dictators press releases for them? That Kasit even ordered this operation is all based on CAMBODIAN accusations. Can't really explain to you if you don't already know, that Hun Sen is not a "reliable" source of information!
  
  Like Thaksin's accusations against General Prem, and the litany of backstabbing accusations thrown at Foreign Minister Kasit, who actually used to serve Thaksin(!), this is more baseless rubbish from a deposed tyrant who proves why it was necessary to remove him from power.

• Khun Farang

  Discussion 35 : 19/11/2009 at 05:42 AM35

  Why are you all politcians destroying lovely Thailand.
  You all(!) split this country. All of you!!!
  Because you all so eager to have power and money.
  Now it is to late, Thailand will be split into two parts, North against South, Cities against Countryside.
  
  Shame on you all!

• Looking Inn

  Discussion 34 : 19/11/2009 at 05:20 AM34

  Yes, nations do conduct espionage against their friends and neighbors, and they do have counter-espionage arms as well.
  
  What's disturbing is the amateurish attempt by Kasit to run his own rogue intelligence operation. Again, the government appears to have two major policies: destroy Thaksin and steal as much as possible before they are forced from office. The cabinet needs to be shaken, not stirred.
  
  Hun Sen has shown no qualms about upsetting the Thai domestic political apple cart. That he would leak this information is no surprise.
  
  Jatuporn may have done a service to the nation by publicizing the leak. At least Thailand's own counterintelligence services now realize that diplomatic oral communications systems have been compromised, and that the Thai foreign minister is not to be trusted with handling sensitive information.
  
  But the delayed and muted response from the government gives pause. Is it because they are carefully considering the appropriate response? Or have they been caught with their hands in the cookie jar? Public denials are to be expected, but will they be credible?
  
  Amusing Thailand.

• Personal View

  Discussion 33 : 19/11/2009 at 02:34 AM33

  After all, unlikely the situation in Afghan or anywhere else in the world when there is a sucide bommb one group would jump in and claim responsibility, but this is politic

• SPICEMAN

  Discussion 32 : 19/11/2009 at 02:27 AM32

  Suppose the allegation was true, can anybody tell me what the Govt was supposed to benefit from gaining access to Thaksin's flight plan in from Cambodia? As long as, his jet avoid Thai airspace, he is off-limited to Thai law. The whole thing sounds stupid from the get go!

• Les Nessman

  Discussion 31 : 19/11/2009 at 02:15 AM31

  Does anyone remember when Thaksin set up his own assassination? This whole spying thing is illogical. My guess is this was a carefully orchestrated plot to undermine the FM. It is odd the mother is begging for Thaksin's help and suddenly Thaksin is fighting to ensure he is treated fairly. And his proxy party will be heading to Cambodia to retrieve the spy and bring him home to much adulation.
  Thaksin loves to set up situations where he can be a hero. Ever hear of Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome. This is Thaksin by Proxy Syndrome.
  Eventually, a couple of smart reporters will figure it out, get a tip, and expose this nonsense. Unfortunately, meantime Thailand will just be stirred up a bit more.

• Tony C.

  Discussion 30 : 19/11/2009 at 02:09 AM30

  Gecko, isn't it funny how Thaksin turns on everyone that has jumped off his sinking ship?
  
  Anyone still drinking the Thaksin kool-aid is being whipped up into a murderous frenzy to eat these people alive.
  
  Take General Prem for instance. Not a single intelligible charge has been brought against him by Thaksin. The General has given a lifetime of service to the Kingdom, infinitely more than we can say about the parasitic Thaksin.
  
  Can you even fathom how disgusting it was for Thaksin to line up his hired mob outside this man's house to threaten him? Jakrapop's comments regarding General Prem? Wow! What has Jakrapop EVER done for this nation?

• Andrew Koizumi

  Discussion 29 : 19/11/2009 at 02:08 AM29

  Yet another example how Thai politics is CORRUPT and DIRTY...

• Gecko

  Discussion 28 : 19/11/2009 at 12:28 AM28

  While the comments of Mr. Jatuporn have been discussed in detail with the consensus being that his comments were at best ill-advised and at worst border on treason, I would like to respond to Gangster (comment 4) on his criticism of Mr. Kasit. In his comments he seems to indicate that Mr. Kasit is unfit for the position of Foreign Minister. To quote "Gangster", "geez, I'm amazed how that happened.
  
  Well, I'll tell you how it happened. Mr. Kasit is one of the most senior and knowledgeable diplomats in Thailand. His education in diplomacy in Thailand, the US and Europe is by any standard excellent. His English language ability is as good as many native speakers. Finally, for 14 years, 1991 - 2005, every successive government in Thailand has trusted his judgment enough to assign him as their ambassador to Russia, Indonesia, Germany, Japan and the United States respectively. This is important. Every successive government for 14 years, including Thaksin Shinawatra, assigned him to represent Thailand in their most important diplomatic missions. Surely Thaksin must have known something to assign him as Thailand's representative in their most important diplomatic mission, don't you think? If Thaksin was such a great CEO PM, do you think he would have entrusted his most important Ambassadorship to the loser that you seem to portray Mr. Kasit as? To answer your question, he is the Foreign Minister because he has the experience and the professional reputation needed to work with Thailand's important allies.
  
  While I may not always agree with Mr. Kasit's approach to some of Thailand's diplomatic issues, I think he is generally doing a good job given the circumstances he is forced to work under.
  
  While you may feel "disgusted" that Thailand has such people in government as Mr. Kasit, I prefer to have people like him; well educated, articulate, professionals in the various ministries rather than the likes of Mr. Jatuporn, Charlerm Yubarung and some of the others that PT hauls out as examples of leadership and good governance.

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