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• Repression can lead to Violent Revolution

  Discussion 16 : 08/09/2010 at 12:27 AM16

  All Republicans with Democratic Republic political ideology would turn revolutionary and violent in a country like Thailand, of course, not just the red shirts.
  
  It is normal that people would grow violent and unhappy day by day under the repression by dictatorship regime so they would revolt violently leading to democratic revolution whether you like or not. It is no surprise why most people are red shirts and they are becoming more revolutionary because the dictatorship system is very repressive and does not promote justice and human rights as well as democracy. The longer the regime is holding onto power illegally and repressing the people, the more violent and unhappy the people would become. It's simple.

• Bubba

  Discussion 15 : 07/09/2010 at 10:44 AM15

  I dislike having to admit it because had the red shirts refused him as a presence things may have turned out differently.
  
  I am not saying I would rather refuse to acknowledge it.
  
  The comments section limits in-depth writing so those that want to read between the lines and twist things to their liking will do so.
  
  Seh Deang may have been a pawn. So are the soldiers and most officers. So are almost all politicians. Thailand is a country of serf-like pawns.
  
  Understanding who the people are pulling the strings would be the first step to finding real solutions.
  
  Blaming everything on Taksin is simultaneously misleading and superficial.It is also burying your head in the sand.

• somtam

  Discussion 14 : 07/09/2010 at 10:42 AM14

  Wow - even our very red Bubba is starting to see the truth. Bottomline is that you can not negotiate with terrorists.

• Pierre

  Discussion 13 : 06/09/2010 at 11:47 PM13

  COntradiciting, it exists a big difference between isolated extremists uncontrolled and the police + the army under the orders of the power! Moreover, Abhisit say he wants: "a political arena that would enable the restoration of peace and rejection of all forms of violence. Political disputes should be solved through parliamentary system." But he never condemned the fact that the vote of people and of the parliament have been trampled three times by those who support him today!

• spike

  Discussion 12 : 06/09/2010 at 11:12 PM12

  Bubba (Disc. #6). It intrigues me why you dislike having to admit Seh Deang's presence among the red shirts was the worst thing that could have happened to their movement. Why not just accept that he was a rabid violent extremist. And while you're working on that reality check consider who employed him. And who is the main motivator of the whole movement. Seh Deang was simply a very accommodating pawn in a very deliberately deadly chess game.
  
  There certainly would have been peaceful demonstrators among that mob but there were many who weren't, particularly most of their leaders (see their speeches, in particular Jatuporn's and the lads who hightailed it to Cambodia) and those who were (and still are) employed to launch deadly weapons to kill fellow Thais.
  
  Justification of their behaviour makes one complicit in it.

• Queen Bumblebee

  Discussion 11 : 06/09/2010 at 10:43 PM11

  Right, let's live in peace together and end all forms of violence, end all forms of legalized harassment like lese majeste, end emergency decree or mafia laws and end all forms of dictatorship and let's have freedom of speech and democracy and peace.
  
  Cheers! Peace at last! (I hope)

• anonnymouse

  Discussion 10 : 06/09/2010 at 10:42 PM10

  the red shirts had their chance at the very first televised head to head. Abhisit wrong footed the red team with an election offer and big mouth Jatuporn, along with Weng got their its our way or no way. Had they taken that offer, they would have brought the protest to an end (with no deaths) and had elections before year end, although with the PTP in such disarray, its maybe just as well for them there arent elections sooner rather than later.

• Jake Elwood

  Discussion 9 : 06/09/2010 at 10:34 PM9

  Here we go again, just like the time the Reds tried to "negotiate" the end of their terrorist activities at Ratchaprasong and constantly changed the goalposts. There should be no negotiation with terrorists and PT, UDD and Thaksin are one and the same. Bubba, Seh Daeng was just a small player in a much bigger, much more violent picture. The difference between him and the others who orchestrated (and still are) the violence was that he liked to have his picture taken.

• siamgoody

  Discussion 8 : 06/09/2010 at 10:03 PM8

  All the 3 leaders were aware that a group of reds were going to burn the city. THIS is what made them surrender just to appear that they had nothing to do with the riots. The leaders were not able to separate the violent from the peaceful, remember they invited both types of people to the rally. The leaders ARE responsible for what followed. Red thugs holding the city to ransom, a military hooligan living on government salary and working against the government, an opposition who was looking for an easy way to topple the government through the red movement.
  
  There is NOTHING good about the reds. They are pampered, supported and financed by Thaksin and his Pheaua Thaksin party. There can be no doubt about this.
  
  Upto half a million red supporters raided the city over 2 months. 90 dead is it good NO it is sad, is it TOO many dead, NO it is not. Only the red leaders could have saved the lives BUT they preferred to call the shots and save themselves.

• amazed

  Discussion 7 : 06/09/2010 at 09:42 PM7

  Bubba, "mainly peaceful demonstrators" describes the first two weeks. Those who were not peaceful grew in numbers and the violence escalated as time went on. That was because those who controlled the movement had to rely on violence to have any chance of forcing the government to step down. The longer the government stayed, the more the violence had to increase. It is impossible under those circumstances to separate the good from the bad demonstrators. Those who used violence and fear also used the good intentions of the majority and placed them in harms way. The government repeatedly warned what they would have to do. None of the deaths would have occurred if the red leadership had not intentionally created the atmosphere for it to happen.

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