Suthep says DSI murder claim part of amnesty ruse

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Suthep says DSI murder claim part of amnesty ruse

Published: 20 Sep 2012 at 00.00
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Even if murder charges are laid against Democrat executives, the party will not back down and support the government's bid for a blanket amnesty to help ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, its MP for Surat Thani Suthep Thaugsuban says.

Suthep: Dares Tarit to charge him right away

Political observers say the government is using the threat of criminal charges against Democrat Party key figures as leverage to obtain a pardon for Thaksin.

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johninbkk
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Discussion 66 : 23 Sep 2012 at 00.1466
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There seems to be some confusion about the 'election offer'. The red side was demanding elections daily, as 'yup suppaa' was their primary slogan. After intense compromise on both sides, the reds agreed to disperse *asap* if elections were called within 3 months. AV insisted the reds disperse *asap* if he was given 6 months for elections. The reds determined this to be an insincere delaying tactic with no intent to actually hold elections, and hence refused to disperse. AV was convinced he could never win an early election - so both sides left negotiations.

AV opted instead to use armed soldiers to disperse the protesters, wait over a year for elections, modify the organic election laws in his favor, create the 77th province to gerrymander, and visually distort the election ballots to disfavor PTP.
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Discussion 65 : 22 Sep 2012 at 03.5265
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I've gotten so tired of reds defending their stance of the 2010 looting, burning and violence in Bangkok, yet they could care less about the South. I don't see one of them commenting on the South stories because the South doesn't matter to reds and PTP. FLAT OUT hypocrites.
Someday...karma; what goes around, comes around...doesn't matter how you say it, reds, TRT and PTP will pay for their total disregard for human life in Bangkok, in the South, during the war on drugs, at Tak Bai, at Kru Se, the attorney Somchai. Reds just flat don't care as long as they get their pockets full by corruption or through the master in the desert. The only reason they care about anybody dying in Bangkok is because they use it in an attempt to forward their political agenda.
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Discussion 64 : 21 Sep 2012 at 21.4864
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abbub and android - so agreeing to elections, but asking the red leaders to accept responsibility for their actions is wrong? All negotiations are THAT - negotiations. Give and take, compromise.
The fact is reds will never take responsibility for their actions and that's why elections were turned down. Just another example of reds having to win at everything, no compromise, no reconciliation, just win at all costs.
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Discussion 63 : 21 Sep 2012 at 09.1463
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BRILLIANT & OLD and a couple of others simply ignore the truth of what I stated here, because addressing that fact means they have to reassess their position.

In the final days before the "negotiations" fell apart, the democrats made added something that caused the delat they needed at a moment it appeared the UDD just might accept the offer which, in fact they never wanted accepted. Phony fake peace offers are a part of the text book of creating an enemy that is evil and with whom it is impossible to reason. It is a typical strategic ploy! They added details were :

- The people could go home without consequences but leaders could be arrested, charged for treason and/or terrorism and risked the death penalty.

Who would still now suggest the offer was genuine and intended to pave the way for early elections?
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Discussion 62 : 21 Sep 2012 at 09.0362
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HOWELL D48 tries, as they often do to refer to twisted logic in numbers to suggest the Pheu Thai voters are really just a minority.

Thailand has system (kind of) representative (kind of) democracy (kind of) The election results showed almost double the number of votes for the Pheu Thai than for the democrats.

Twisting these commenters against them, or rather straightening their intentional bending of math, we could say the democrats received only half as many votes as the Pheu Thai.

PS I no longer support the PT as before. But that does nor mean I now believe, nor support the democrats.
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Discussion 61 : 21 Sep 2012 at 08.5861
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Discussion 60 brilliant : the answer is as said in discussion 59 domdunnn. Learn thai language well and figure it out in your video record tape on the meeting, if any.
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Discussion 60 : 21 Sep 2012 at 06.5460
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android - "It is absurb to say that PT didn't want an early election."

They were offered and declined. So you figure out why.
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Discussion 59 : 21 Sep 2012 at 06.4459
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brilliant D55

The dispute wasn't over the election date it was over AVs refusal to say on what date he would dissolve the parliament.
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Discussion 58 : 21 Sep 2012 at 06.3658
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Thaksin knew well that PT party would surely win in the general election beforehand. And the 2011 election result did tell the truth. It is absurb to say that PT didn't want an early election.

So just why didn't they accept the offer on the table and call Abhisit's bluff if indeed it was a bluff.
They actually did accept the offer but it seems a single phone call from some person changed their minds.
I wonder who that could ahve been?
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Discussion 57 : 21 Sep 2012 at 04.4957
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Discussion 55 brilliant : "The truth is the "guy in Dubai" didn't want early elections"

Thaksin knew well that PT party would surely win in the general election beforehand. And the 2011 election result did tell the truth. It is absurb to say that PT didn't want an early election.
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