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XTREME SOLUTION FOR SOUTH

  • Published: 5/07/2009 at 12:00 AM
  • Newspaper section: News

I fully agree with your July 2 editorial, ''Military must be held accountable''. Essentially we have a civil war going on in the South of Thailand which most of the recent governments choose to ignore in favour of populist issues of the day.

My suggestion is to tow the aircraft carrier HTMS Chakri Naruebet to the region after the July war games. If it was deployed in the southern region it potentially could become a multipurpose island and a showcase for Thai ingenuity. It would be a great hospital ship for severely wounded soldiers, a safe party location for soldiers on leave, a place where government employees and teachers could de-stress for a few days and a perfect platform for ''Xtreme Tourism''.

David Barkdull

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TIME FOR A ROLE REVERSAL

Deputy Prime Minister Korbsak Sabhavasu has said: ''Thailand was very lucky to have avoided a coup after the Songkran riots, but political uncertainties will not go away under the current coalition government.'' So the Thai military is like a malevolent god that can only be prayed to, whose wrath we can only hope to avoid? That's what Mr Korbsak would have us believe. Thailand needs a real, popularly elected government to put the military in its place _ subservient to the people of Thailand rather than their oppressors.

John Francis Lee

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WAITING FOR THE RIGHT OFFER

In last Sunday's PostBag Norman Kreger accused Imtiaz Muqbil of half-truths, lies and other distortions in his Soul Searching column of the previous week. Mr Kreger then went on to present his own version of lies, half-truths and irrelevancies.

If any one of the Israeli ''offers'' to the Palestinians had made an effort to address all (or even most) of the issues that contribute to their plight, I am sure it would have been accepted. For example, the Clinton plan would have: 1) no East Jerusalem; 2) nothing for the Palestinian refugees; 3) Israel controlling Palestinian air and sea space; 4) Israel controlling numerous roads into and out of settlements _ not even half a state.

The reference to repatriation of Germans, Indians and Pakistanis is irrelevant to the Palestinian issue. Do the Germans want to be repatriated? Do the Indians and Pakistanis? Do they live in refugee camps? Apart from the refugee camps in Gaza and Lebanon, Palestinians are scattered all over the Middle East _ millions of them _ with only a Palestinian ''passport''.

Israel's supposed exit from Gaza is a sick joke. Many of the settlers removed were re-housed in other settlements. When Hamas declared and stuck by a cessation of rocket-firing into Israel, Israel continued its assassination policy in Gaza, which was the cause of the rockets being fired in the first place.

Israel, like any country, has a right to defend itself. That defence doesn't include invading Gaza (again) and deliberately killing as many Palestinian civilians as its military outfit sees fit _ all to make sure of election success. The majority of the accusations of explosives and militants in schools, mosques, hospitals and UN locations are no more than Israeli propaganda, as no independent media or agencies were allowed into Gaza.

Right now, Israel will not allow any building materials into Gaza to give the Palestinians a chance of rebuilding their destroyed enclave.

Finally, Mr Kreger mentions suicide bombings. There have been none (that's zero) reported in the media for at least two years now in Israel. I'm afraid that it is people with Mr Kreger's type of attitude who have been the main obstacle to any chance of a peaceful solution for the long-suffering Palestinian people.

Ken Malcolm

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WHERE'S THE FOLLOW-UP?

On June 18, the Bangkok Post presented a brief article regarding the alleged relationship between some Rohingya refugees and southern terrorism. Within this article was this comment: ''A group of about 10 Thai senior officials is believed to be involved in the illicit trafficking (of Rohingya) and each of them makes about one million baht a month, the unit said.'' The article was referring to the southern border intelligence unit.

I have been waiting but have seen no further news on this allegation. I have lived here long enough to turn a blind eye to many things, as Thais do. We have come to expect, even accept, endemic corruption, but surely this is headline news.

Are the ''10 Thai senior official'' police? Border patrol? Army? Immigration? Is there substance to the allegation? If so, what action is being taken?

Then on June 20 in a related article it was said: ''A source at the Department of Special Investigation's Special Litigations Office said new suspects expected to be arrested were major human traffickers linked to the three Rohingya men apprehended this week.''

Are these ''new suspects'' some of the ''10 Thai senior officials''? I believe this newspaper, which printed the statements and allegations in the first place, owes its readers a full explanation.

Ron

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ISAN AND SELF-RELIANCE

As an Englishman and a student of sociology staying in a small village in Isan these past five months, I feel the urge to make some comments on the article published in last Sunday's Spectrum regarding Isan and rural poverty. In particular, the folio for the article is ''self-dependence'' and the underlying assumption seems to be that the poor of Isan are suffering from ''dependency'' on the largesse of supposedly ''populist'' politicians.

The academic quoted in the article _ a Mr Yenbamroong _ identifies the policies of Thaksin and his red shirts as obstacles to progress towards self-reliance. I must object. In my opinion it is only through political action _ building a political foundation for real social progress _ that sustainable improvement comes. For example, free at the point of use health care or pensions or welfare benefits by right.

These benefits are hard fought for and only really exist in a relatively few prosperous countries. They were only won because of real political change and surely it is a sign of progress and not a sign of failure that some attempts have been made in Thailand by Thaksin and his party to address the traditional neglect of the rural poor by the political elite of Thailand.

Finally, in all my experience, the people of Isan are among the most hard-working, self-reliant, spirited and resourceful people I have ever met.

Nick Warner

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  • jonny jahk tang bprateht

    Discussion 10 : 06/07/2009 at 02:01 AM10

    Pocket- Stuation repeated endlessly = fact not generalisation. I speak fluent "laos" so have heard these "farmers" complain about their lot and mostly it is that the government is not providing or their daughter is not providing or that someone is not doing something for them. This is across three provinces in the NE so the facts are repeated and not generalised.
    I showed two different villages how to improve the yield on their crop, they already knew it; it was the Laos way not the Thai way so couldn't be done.
    Of course next you can play the race card because obvioulsy someone who "generalises" about a race must be a racist not just observant.
    Getting irritated about facts you don't like is not merely lazy it is under-educated. I wonder from whence you come?

  • greg

    Discussion 9 : 05/07/2009 at 09:02 PM9

    Sorry, I also live in Isaan, on and off.

    I like these people, but Ican't make any excuses for them - they are not just lazy. They are, to use a phrase my father would use when I was growing up, BONE IDLE. They cannot build a fence, irrigate their crops properly, do not know how plants grow, nothing about crop rotation, fertilisers, insecticides both natural and chemical.

    Oh, and and yes - they and their neighbors kids are indeed working as prostitutes and anything else they can do to get money for their good-for-nothing parents. They seem to think this is the way it is. Some disappear, some die, some are murdered. Most get STD diseases. Many get pregant. Some get AIDS. Nobody cares.

    So, to all you people in denial, go check it out.

    You perhaps need some new glasses.

  • pocket

    Discussion 8 : 05/07/2009 at 05:59 PM8

    jonny jahk , selling land to the local chao por to make ends meet is nothing new - nor was Thaksin responsible for people selling off their daughters - thats being going on for a quite a while, and not by just the farmers or only from Isaan - and growing rice is not lazy work - but assumptions and generalizations do make for lazy judgements

  • jonny jahk tang bprateht

    Discussion 7 : 05/07/2009 at 02:50 PM7

    Pocket- I sowed, ploughed and harvested rice in Isan for two seasons while I was convincing my wife that I wasn't a lazy, beer drinking, white boy (I am but that is beside the point).
    A decent size paddy, which was given to the farmer by the government, requires a maximum of two weeks work per year from which a subsitence existence can be gleaned.
    It is only when the (lazy) farmers of Isan were introduced to loans by Thaksin and his mates (to buy Thaksin's merchandise) that they got into real problems and needed to sell their land to get out of debt.
    Now they sell their daughters in Phuket or default on loans to get the next mobile phone or pickup truck rather than actually do any work.
    Two weeks work per year on an isan "farm" or 48 weeks a year in an English office. I know who I feel sorry for and it is not the sleepy farmers from Isan.

  • pocket

    Discussion 6 : 05/07/2009 at 02:05 PM6

    I would suggest that Egon think carefully about the sweat that went into providing that mouthful of rice he is about to shovel into his mouth in between his snide comments about the working folk of Isaan.

  • egon

    Discussion 5 : 05/07/2009 at 12:55 PM5

    Isn,t it fantastic that Mr. Warner after living 5 monthes in the Isahn is of the opinion that the Isahn people are hard-working,self-reliant,resourceful and spirited?I live more than 20 years in the Isahn and I have the experience that the Isahn people are mostly lazy,conservative,ignorant,corrupt,worshipping authority and money.Egon

  • gobi de garuda

    Discussion 4 : 05/07/2009 at 10:29 AM4

    It's looks like today is my good hairday. Many good advices and suggestions were raised in the postbag and maybe I might have a chance to join the forum too.
    1. I agree with "Military must be held accountable" phrase with "David Barkdull" as it is one of the case that lacking in Thailand's image for the past few decades which I personally remember. It can be improved if general public is well informed and have access to broad range of third party critics and interlectual advices about Thailand. But sadly they are mostly availible abroad and I can only wish the best for Thailand.
    2. Both "Ken Malcolm" and "Ramet in Dallas" raised interesting points regarding Palestine. Blame games may bring some satisfaction for some people and I believe that "everyone must be held accountable" phrase will be suitable for that case as (precious) human lives are involving in this particular case.

  • Ramet in Dallas

    Discussion 3 : 05/07/2009 at 08:43 AM3

    Doesn't Egypt share a border with Gaza? Aren't they both Arab and Muslim? Why can't the 'Arab World' aid Gaza through Egypt? To spite Israel, they could have Gazans living a much higher quality of life than the Israelis. It wouldn't be expensive to invest in all that inexpensive labor. There just aren't that many Gazans for the 'Arab World' to help. Why don't they? Because, they like to have a open sore in the Middle East and blame the infection on Israel! That kind of thinking justifies a lot of suffering. BTW I am not a friend of Israel nor an enemy of the 'Arab World'.

  • paul

    Discussion 2 : 05/07/2009 at 08:07 AM2

    I believe Ron and his article "Where's The Follow-up" is definitely owed an answer by Bangkok Post. The Post is always willing to come up with a sensational headline to sell papers and then it stops and we are left to guess at the outcome.

    While you are answering Ron how about a few others like Santika which killed so many at a joyous time of year. The cause ran deep and dirty, where does it stand today. How about the Mercedes Bus Stop Killer?
    Is he in jail where he belongs or is he still cruising in his Mercedes?

  • perplexed

    Discussion 1 : 05/07/2009 at 07:58 AM1

    Whether it be the violence in the south, or an infrastructure challenge such as the proposed bus buy or lease issue, one administrative policy seems to apply throughout. The General in charge of keeping the peace in the South appears to be found incapable of doing his job. The committee to recommend a solution on the public transportation issue does not produce results.
    In many instances, such as these two examples, NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE. The General is reported to have been transferred to an "advisory" position to the PM. One could question is this a wise move? The committee, when unable to fulfill its task, was given yet another extension, to most likely produce more of the same.
    Accountability simply means, when you apply, & are hired to do a job, you are expected produce positive results, and failure to do so means you no longer have the job----period, not moved to another position so you can spread your incompentency elsewhere...... Is it any mystery things seldom get accomplished?

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