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Submarines not worth the money

The Thai military has a history of bad decisions and wasteful spending in making arms acquisitions which have cost the taxpayers huge amounts of money. The Royal Thai Navy's plan to buy old submarines from Germany could well be just another wrong decision.

The Royal Thai Navy’s long-standing dream of having a submarine fleet appears about to be fulfilled now that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has approved, in principle, its proposal to purchase six 30-plus-year old German submarines at a cost of 7.7 billion baht.Besides the security and skills training reasons cited to justify the acquisition of the submarines, an informed source said, a major argument behind the move is that the Thai navy will be left way behind the times without submarines.The navy’s wish for a submarine fleet, no matter of how old they are, has received strong backing from Deputy Prime Minister in charge of security affairs Suthep Thaugsuban.  He said the submarines were necessary to protect Thailand’s territorial waters and maritime resources, and that other countries in the region already have submarines, which could pose a threat to Thailand’s national interests.Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia do have  submarines, and Vietnam has placed orders for six Kilo-class submarines from Russia, leaving Thailand in the league of poor countries in the region which cannot afford  submarines -- countries such as Cambodia and Burma, and also land-locked Laos, which couldn't possibly need them.This probably is something that the top brass at the Thai navy cannot tolerate and that  has kept alive their ambition for a submarine fleet, ever since their dream to acquire two used submarines from the Swedish firm  Kockums was shot down back in 1996 because, yes, Thailand couldn't afford them at the time.So, what has changed?From the narrow viewpoint of the navy top brass, 7.7 billion baht for six used German submarines is worthwhile spending, despite the fact that they are being decommissioned and good for only another 10 years. But this means that in 10 years they will without a doubt want to buy a newer fleet of submarines - to keep up appearances - at even greater cost.The 7.7 billion baht price tag, which is staggering for submarines which are more than 30 years old, is just the starting price.  There are additional costs - crewing and training, provision of docking and maintenance facilities, and the cost of regular maintenance itself just to keep them operational.It's questionable if the Thai navy has any clear idea how much this will cost each year.  Don't forget, the German navy decided to decommission the submarines because the high cost of keeping these ageing, obsolete war machines operational is just not worth it.Can the Thai navy afford the maintenance costs without asking for even more budget funds from the government?  Just look at the Chakri Naruebet aircraft carrier as a good example of why not. The ship has been...

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  • Discussion 21 : 05/04/2011 at 10:28 PM21

    It is very sad to spend this 7.7 Billions baht to buy 30 years old toys for our old crooks are really wasted the nation resources period!!!!! Who are you going to fight with this old toys? It would be wise to spend this amount to hire native speaker Arjans and start ESL(English as Second Language) from grade 1 and up! That's how you built your future, at the same time the admin should upgrade Thais teacher in verbal English conversation as well as well as their salary. It is very sad to see the results of ONET, the whole country flunk! I like to invite Mr. Prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and the Education minister Chinavorn Boonyakiat randomly visit the internet shop on Thonburi's side and see for themselves. Most youngsters and adults alike 99.99% playing the games and on face book. It is most wastes of time and resources I have witness.

  • Discussion 20 : 05/04/2011 at 01:31 PM20

    Khun Phetpeter #19, 2 years ago, I was invited by my friend who flew a Seahawk, to come abroad the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) for a day out at sea. He showed me everything except the engine room containing the ship's nuclear propulsion system. I visited the radar room, the bridge, and etc. I saw the flight operation of launching and trapping F/A-18E, including dropping lived bombs on floating targets, called "Poison Potatoes," and etc. The most memorable moment was when F/A-18Es doing a low high-speed pass, breaking sound barrier only a few feet above my head. And believe me I look as "Asian" as any Thai persons you see on the streets. God bless the US Navy!

  • Discussion 19 : 05/04/2011 at 07:45 AM19

    Farng are not allowed to visit the interior of the Thai aircraft carrier because it national secrets! But any asian looking person can! It's a toy aircraft carrier with no aircraft (they can be seen rotting at U-Tapo, sea harriers and sea hawks) along with the US (we are not in Thailand) refuellers and heavy lift aircraft. They should just turn the lot into a big muesum add some rides and give disney a run for their money!

  • Discussion 18 : 30/03/2011 at 09:46 AM18

    Thai army leaders are the worst problem of your country. They must be definitely withdrawn and the new ones should be exclusively here to serve the Thai people, not their own “values”, ways of seeing the world or interests. It means first that they must respect democracy and do not make any thinks in political field and then to be completely and clearly under the political decision of the legitimate government, as soon as he will be fairly elected by the Thai people.

  • Discussion 17 : 30/03/2011 at 02:59 AM17

    Forget the subs. 7.7 billion can buy 60 million AK47. One for each Thai citizen to fight Thai enermies.

  • Discussion 16 : 30/03/2011 at 01:38 AM16

    The shallow water in the Gulf of Thailand, where our oil and gas installations are, is a dead trap for any submarines stupid enough to venture into it. Submarines are also expensive to buy and operate, something a poor third world country like Thailand where more than half of the people are poor, can hardly afford. The money can be better spent else where to help improving their livelihood.

    Expensive to buy & operate, but easy to sink. So, why bother?

  • Discussion 15 : 30/03/2011 at 01:33 AM15

    Junglejim/Discussion 4:

    A sub is basically a attack system designed to sink other nations assets (statically, mainly merchant marines) or lay mines. The question you should ask is not the water dept in Thailand but the water dept outside Sihanoukville or Johor Port. Rest assure that if Thailand lands into problems with one of its neighbors, these subs will not spend much time in Thai waters, they will be praying outside foreign harbors... that is what they are made for.

  • Discussion 14 : 30/03/2011 at 12:17 AM14

    will end up in the hands of private companies who will punch glass holes through them and make lots of money out of thailand's newest attraction - phuket coral reef adventure on board "ex-navy submarines"

  • Discussion 13 : 29/03/2011 at 10:23 PM13

    waste of money.

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    Discussion 12 : 29/03/2011 at 10:10 PM12

    Thailand needs subs like a hole in the head

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