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PAD protest was good

  • Published: 24/09/2009 at 12:00 AM
  • Newspaper section: News

Contrary to Prof Thitinan Pongsudhirak's distaste over the PAD's protest at the border (Bangkok Post, Sept 23), I find myself strangely in support of the PAD and consider the demonstration at the border as a voice of conscience.

That voice is raising public awareness about the Cambodian settlement in existence within the 4.6sqkm disputed area, and also is a warning to the Cambodian government that the situation is intolerable to Thais.

Was that ''right-wing'' conduct detrimental to our country? Hardly. Upon voicing their protest and making our fellow Thais know of the issue, the protesters peacefully left the scene, with a warning to future Thai negotiators not to forget Cambodia's intrusion into the disputed territory.

Was the protest designed to steal the thunder of the red shirts? Maybe. But that protest was more beneficial to our country than the red shirts'.

I am grateful to the PAD protesters for having taken the trouble to increase our awareness of the situation at the border.

SONGDEJ PRADITSMANONT

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Simply tongue-in-cheek

Re the letter from ''Canadian in Bangkok'' (Postbag, Sept 22), I've got to admit that I read John Keating's excellent letter as a tongue-in-cheek commentary on Thai society (Postbag, Sept 19).

I'm sure that it resonated with many ex pats. But then, the North Americans are not known for a wry sense of humour.

ANDREW

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Brutal treatment

I was taken aback by the article about the science teacher who punished a student severely and still kept his job because there was no substitute teacher available.

I want to ask the school director which is more important: student safety and emotional stability, or the examination results? Even though the student was not severely hurt, that kind of punishment could have caused much damage to the boy's head.

It seems to me that such behaviour is accepted in Thai schools - if it is not caught on video.

YOUNG SEAON PARK

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The sad state of affairs starts young here

The past weeks have seen numerous navel-gazing articles littering the English-language press about the state of Thai society, what bodes for the future, all lamenting on the parlous state the country finds itself in and postulating solutions.

Sadly, the raw fact is that there are no magic solutions. The country is inherently dysfunctional and will remain so. The reasons for this are complex and manifold, but I will address what I see as the main protagonists.

It starts young; I watch the predominantly male children of friends and colleagues being essentially indulged and spoilt. There is very little corrective parenting that involves ''no don't do that, no you can't have that''. Indeed, one English father has become so exasperated by his Thai wife's constant doting on their youngest to the exclusion of all discipline, that he has detached himself from the close rearing process entirely.

This kind of over-indulgent behaviour by parents produces spoilt children who become petulant at a moment's notice. They become equally unpleasant adults that feel the world owes them and revolves around them.

I will not loiter on the educational system as it has generated reams of column inches over the past months; sufficient to say that it continues to fall substantially short of being in any way fit for purpose and offers no assistance here.

Then there is the general demeanour of Thai society and the requirement for non-questioning, non-confrontational deference if you are not the high status one. This suffocating environment not only prevents any form of growth in social society, but is the most fertile of environments for corruption in any of its forms, as those who are endlessly fawned upon grow to become arrogant and indulgent.

Then in the higher structures of society, due process is routinely interfered with so that a ''workable'' outcome can be achieved; no doubt it being paraded as the middle way. Sadly, if the middle way falls out with the law or at least natural justice, then the seeds of division are sown and those at lower levels see that as a green light to make their own ''middle'' way and thus we have the society we have today.

So, short of brainwashing the entire country and starting again, there is nothing that can be done as there is no part of the national structure that is _ save for one very striking exception _ respected. That, sadly, is the sum of it.

DR JOHN PATTERSON

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Give farmers radios

I disagree with the idea of touch screen information kiosks for farmers (BP, Business section, Sept 21). No farmer will walk to kiosks to learn information from electronic media, even if they are easy touch screens.

The most popular media equipment for the farmer has been the portable radio set. These transistors are always taken with them and listened to on the banks of paddy fields, etc, wherever the farmers go.

I recommend the establishing of a nationwide radio service exclusively for information needed by farmers. Agri product price movements, both wholesale and retail, maybe even export prices, should be broadcast from time to time all day. Other information for modern farming techniques, weather reports and all related farm business will fill in the time between market reports.

This can be achieved on a far less budget and made easily available to farmers nationwide.

R H SUGA

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  • Tony Ryan

    Discussion 21 : 27/09/2009 at 07:30 PM21

    I was planning to write about the outrageously absurd global campaign against CO2 (ie plant food), but while I was browsing your letters column I was struck by the remarkable survival of Victorian Colonialism and the White Man's burden, evident here.

    Thais, I suspect you laugh at the superior farang, but let me let you into a secret... in all parts of the west, no one is questioning. All do what they are told. There is no logical analysis; no intelligent skepticism. There is only blind compliance with corrupt governments and academics who left integrity behind three decades ago. The worst of these countries in this regard are Germany, UK, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, the US and Netherlands.

    Our universities are bastions of political correctness and to disagree with the official line is to court ridicule, vilification and victimisation.

    By contrast, Thailand is throbbing with contention and the struggle to identify a new vision for the 21st century. Thais, you are doing just fine. Go back to laughing at the farang (except me when I come on holiday).

    Now, back to my original theme; the unquestioning west has been told that carbon dioxide is a dangerous cause of global warming. This is in spite of temperatures actually cooling (according to NASA, since 1934), and the now proven reality that CO2 increases follow warming with an 800 year time lag. The essential premise of the IPCC is dead wrong.

    It ignores the fact that there was 5 times more CO2 in the Jurassic period, in which plant and animal life was at its most prolific.

    In 1242, the Chinese Imperial navy sailed into an Arctic Sea that was devoid of ice; and Eric the Red set up his great development with Danish migrants, in Greenland, which was so-named because it was green with grass and free of ice and perma-frost. The English were growing grapes.


    A few centuries later the cold came and the English were skating on the Thames every winter. Two centuries ago the climate began to warm again; because this is what the climate does; apparently in response to variations in radiation from the sun, and electromagnetic disturbances.

    So, my Thai friends, when the frantic farang arrive to tell you you must panic about global warming, just smile and say 'of course', and go on with your lives as usual.

    Oh, and the reason for this great global warming hoax? Money. As usual. At latest estimate, around $23 trillion in carbon taxes. Never believe the farang are intelligent. Except me. Tony Ryan, Australia.

  • Jay RT

    Discussion 20 : 25/09/2009 at 01:02 PM20

    "The sad state of affairs" really hits the points of why Thailand is the country she is now. I am a Thai of early 30s who has studied abroad (US) and also in Thailand. What you said is what has been in my mind for years. I have been implicitly pushing others around me to think, criticize constructively and respect people's ideas, for those are traits of more globalized society. But, after some years of my sacrifice, my Thai friends have proved me that, their problems are far too deep, too complex and that trying to change it, even by a little bit, would need great sacrifice, like that of Gandhi, not to say, to get in par with a developed society in the West (which would need about 10 of the likes of Gandhi and in a time span of two or three generations or so).

    But as a Thai myself, I always look forward to that day.

  • Jesus C.

    Discussion 19 : 25/09/2009 at 11:28 AM19

    Disc#17,
    A Messiah is someone who can resuscitate. So, I can see only one person fitting the most.
    This is Khun Sonthi Limthonkun! He survived of gunfire bursts and grenades.
    The only problem is that he is Buddhist!

  • Eric

    Discussion 18 : 25/09/2009 at 11:04 AM18

    I don't understand why high power distance in Thailand youth has anything to do with progress. Asian culture gets a lot of bashing from the West for their non-confrontasional behaviour whether in classroom or at work.

    Is totally not true that a shorter power distance is equavalent to a better society or economics. Looks at Japan & South Korea where the power distance are the highest in the world and yet they lead the world on innovation and patents.

    Brain,think about methods, tact and encouragement to get responses from your students. Don't expect them to behave like their Western counterpart.

  • Robert Mills

    Discussion 17 : 25/09/2009 at 09:13 AM17

    I agree with brian 100%. Thai society has been taught not to question.They fear retribution against curiousity. I live in the Eastern Rural area and see it every single day. They don't understand even when a farang questions things.This country has a long long way to go before they are actually ever really classified as Civilized.They are easily bought for a few baht to do whatever a more Wealthier Thai asks them to do, even if it is wrong. They lask even basic education, and i belieive that is the this Country wants it. Until someone comes along within the lower masses of Thai society that ahs some Intelligence and can gather the masses to His or her side to challenge the Existing Governing Ways, Thailand will continue with turmoil within it's Society. The Thailand People need a Messiah of Sorts before they can ever Climb the Ladder of true Democracy,and Equal Rights to each and every single Citizen of Thailand.

  • jonny jahk tang bprateht

    Discussion 16 : 24/09/2009 at 07:57 PM16

    Brian

    What steps are you taking to rectify this? Or are you just collecting your money and visa? Change requires instruments of change does it not? But that would require you risking being fired I suppose.

  • jonny jahk tang bprateht

    Discussion 15 : 24/09/2009 at 07:26 PM15

    Dr John,

    you complain about "Then there is the general demeanour of Thai society and the requirement for non-questioning, non-confrontational deference if you are not the high status one" and then put your (perceived) high status in your sign off. Contradictory?

    As for your English friend he should witholh finaces from his youngster unless he has input. Sweets for school, toys, these are all treats not rights. Does he have any influence with his wife if he withdraws his finances? Or does she stop being his wife?

    Krid - it's not often that a post makes me rethink my position. I am not sure that I agreee with you but I shall certainly be watching the PAD through different spectacles now.

  • fergie

    Discussion 14 : 24/09/2009 at 06:22 PM14

    R H Suga: A lot of that informationis already given out early each morning by the public address systems which come alive with annoying regularity and great volume in most villages about sunrise, just before people head out to the fields.

  • Brian

    Discussion 13 : 24/09/2009 at 05:17 PM13

    "The Sad State of Affairs"

    An excellent summation of the failures of Thai society.
    I have been a university professor here for 12 years and currently teach at 2 of the top universities. Having just finished yet another class, teaching what are supposed to be the best and brightest the country has to offer, I don't hold out too much hope for Thailand's future in a globalized world. My students can't think, can't analyze, can't process and certainly never question anything. They only care about grades and don't value knowledge or how to apply it at all.

    The cultural indoctrination, (where questioning and challenging is considered a mortal sin) is so in-grained, that it will take a miracle to undo the damage done by the top-down, hierarchical mind-set that infects the whole society.

  • ALEX ROSS

    Discussion 12 : 24/09/2009 at 05:03 PM12

    I agree fully with mister Paterson moderate words
    eventhough i believe that education brings the grass root to another level slowly but surely.
    However a complete makeover is not necessary, just a constant even small improvement would be nice.

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