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Discussion 23 : 09/02/2012 at 03:55 AM23
Khun JohninBKK #22, yes, as long as, other people are willing to pay for other people's healthcare, but are they? Who doesn't like free stuffs, right? The real issue here as I mentioned before is poverty, and when poor people made up for more than 50%, we got a major problem on our hands, and unless, we stop exploiting them for votes, and begin to systematically give them what they truly want, you know education, training, jobs, and equal opportunity, nothing we do will matter. So, why don't we focus on the real cause, and not the symptoms? Do you know Milton Friedman? Please, watch his presentation on Youtube on "Responsibility to the Poor."
Discussion 22 : 08/02/2012 at 08:37 PM22
spiceman, the proof is clear that that this health policy saved the poor from potential bankruptcy. If one is going to criticize something, one must stick to the facts. This head doctor did not. I'm not a socialist, and I'd argue that the policy bankrupts hospitals, resulting in inferior outdated services and overworked doctors - leading to dangerous mistakes. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Discussion 21 : 08/02/2012 at 03:51 AM21
Khun ChinaGirl #17, you're exactly correct that we, the people, not politicians, must help underprivileged children, the poor elderly, and the disables to make sure they have all basic necessities of life, so they can live their lives comfortably. The children will soon become adults, and we want to make sure they will become law-abiding, productive citizens, contributing to the Economy, and not criminals or freeloaders sucking from it. All able bodies, however, must WORK, or they shall not eat PERIOD.
As Milton Friedman said, it's the people, not the Govt , who can do this through charitable organizations. Politicians, who pretend to have all the answers, usually make things worst, as you mentioned, quite correctly.Discussion 20 : 08/02/2012 at 03:02 AM20
Khun JohninBKK #15, if the program was so wonderful, why didn't WHO send its money to keep it alive, instead of cheap lip service? Trying to make Healthcare artificially cheap or free, won't change the fact that it is inherently expensive, as I gave reasons why in discussion #8. Therefore, it cannot stand on its own in the long run. Even the UK's NHS is falling apart as Khun Chinagirl, who herself is on a private insurance policy, described in discussion #17. It's purely ECONOMICS, OK?
Discussion 19 : 08/02/2012 at 02:55 AM19
Khun JohninBKK #15, if the program was so wonderful, why didn't WHO send its money to keep it alive, instead of cheap lip service? Trying to make Healthcare artificially cheap or free, won't change the fact that it is inherently expensive, as I gave reasons why in discussion #8. Therefore, it cannot stand on its own in the long run. Even the UK's NHS is falling apart as Khun Chinagirl, who herself is on a private insurance policy, described in discussion #17. It's purely ECONOMICS, OK?
Discussion 18 : 08/02/2012 at 01:13 AM18
Like the last round,
the only people who will be going bankrupted are the participating clinics and hospitals.Discussion 17 : 07/02/2012 at 10:06 PM17
Khun Spiceman #16, you say that, but begrudge the poor any means of bettering themselves. What about innocent children and the aged ? The 30 baht payment is 10% of the proposed M/W. I am not an expert on this , but think that basic health care in 2012 should be available in Thailand to all. You can't leave it to charities and the benevolence of others. Khun Med, to add to your comment, National Ins. is not paid in the UK by the very poor. Unfortunately, the National Health Service is itself sick, too big as taught in basic economics. To make things worse the politicians of both major parties think they know the cure. Private Medical Insurance comes as part of my employment package so I don't use the NHS. However as the premiums are a benefit I pay the higher rate of tax on them. Effectively paying for something I do not use. I or my colleagues are not complaining.
Discussion 16 : 07/02/2012 at 06:45 PM16
Khun Mrscersel #13, if you think doctors are a greedy bunch, I wish the poor would be as greedy as they are, you know, greedy to get education, work hard, and make lots of money, so they can afford to pay for their own healthcare! Do you work for free? Unless you do, you will have a hard time, convincing doctors and nurses to do the same.
Discussion 15 : 07/02/2012 at 05:42 PM15
The doctors are wrong:
"An assessment by a group of independent health system researchers and economists from international organisations including the World Health Organisation, found that this [Thai] universal health coverage has prevented over 80,000 families from bankruptcy due to timely health treatment during its 10 years of implementation. Conducted in 2011, the assessment showed that catastrophic health expenditure dropped from 6.8% in 1996 to 2.8% in 2008."Discussion 14 : 07/02/2012 at 05:41 PM14
Doctors without borders..? As I recall..Oct. '11 they aren't able to get permission from government to treat undocumented aliens..closed several long running projects helping over 60,000 people who would not otherwise have health care. I love these guys, but someone in government doesn't..hmmmm
