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Discussion 18 : 04 Sep 2012 at 10.4618
Khun Rva #16, it is never an easy decision to take human lives in such a massive scale, however, could the US, the UK, and the rest of the "Coalition of the Willing" afford not to go to go to war in order to remove Saddam from power? As I mentioned before, Bush and Blair took a careful look at all the intelligence concerning Saddam's WMD capability, and Al Queda's hostile fanaticism, and they saw a pattern of clear and present danger, and reacted appropriately.
Discussion 17 : 04 Sep 2012 at 08.3217
Busch and Blair would be a good start but there are many, many more to bring in front of justice.
And the assault and occupation was never endorsed by the UN.
PS!I think you can stop the "voting machine" now, we got the message!Discussion 16 : 04 Sep 2012 at 07.3216
As much as I disagreed with that war then and still do now, Spiceman's comment in #15 is correct. I guess it's easy to make the decision to go to war knowing that you have a convenient scapegoat to point the finger at when things go wrong. Led by the US and the UK, yes. And how many countries total went along with it, about 40 right? Endorsed by the United Nations.
Discussion 15 : 04 Sep 2012 at 03.5615
People seem to forget that the US went to war in Iraq in the name of the UN, in order to enforce its Resolution 1441. GWB also went to Congress and twice overwhelmingly received his permission to use the US Arm Forces in what became known as Operation Iraqi Freedom, joined by nearly all of the civilized nations, especially, the UK, including Thailand. The bottom line is Saddam had and used his WMD against Iraqi Kurds in 1988, known as Halabja Poison Gas Attack, killing 15,000+mostly civilians. Khun Ravbrat is exactly correct that Saddam had plenty of time to get rid of his WMD prior to the US Invasion. Retired Air Force Gen Georges Sada, himself, who was Saddam's most trusted military advisor, said Saddam destroyed some of his WMD and moved the rest on a commercial jetliner to Syria, where it is right now. That's why the Syrian dictator Assad, has recently disclosed that he possesses a stock of WMD capability, and will use it to defend himself against all foreign invaders. Hope this helps!
Discussion 14 : 04 Sep 2012 at 03.3714
After the devastating 9/11 Attack, the US examined its defense strategy of why 13 terrorists with box cutters could turn 4 jetliners into WMDs by flying them into important vital economic installation (World Trade Center), and Military one (the Pentagon). Fortunately, the one destined for vital political installations, either the Congress or the White House was stopped by patriotic passengers, which crashed harmlessly in an empty field killing all on board. The 9/11 Report said the cause of why the Attack was spectacularly successful and 3,000 Americans lost their lives, making it the most devastating attack ever on US soil, more devastating than Pearl Harbor, is the fact that the US failed to connect all the dots, and take an preemptive action to stop it. So, GWB connected all the dots between Al Queda and Saddam's WMD, and the picture became unacceptably clear, based on "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." And the rest is history.
Discussion 13 : 04 Sep 2012 at 00.3413
Every country in the world can have their leaders on trial for killing of innocent civilians. Need we look back very far right here to see over 2,000 deaths without going to trial in a war on drugs? How about over 4,000 deaths in the restive South with no one made to answer for them? Someone has to be in-charge. Before we cast stones at specific leaders, we need look at the world overall and ask what country has not experienced innocent deaths under the watch of a particular leader?
Africa has its share of innocent deaths, why does Desmond Tutu need look anywhere else? Rwanda, Somalia and other countries of recent history come to mind. South Africa has its share of questionable deaths of civilians, both under apartheid and current administrations of majority-rule. So, where is the equal justice anywhere in the world?Discussion 12 : 03 Sep 2012 at 23.2612
Ravbrat (disc #6) says he was there. I didn't know Thailand participated in the Iraq war. The photo of aircraft buried in the sand was a Russian MIG Iraq owned for years. Its burial the result of 6 months of bombing by the US prior to the invasion when enforcing the no fly zone.
When Bush went to the UN to get permission to invade Iraq, people forgot that he requested immunity for war crimes. Bush knew in advance they were going to torture prisoners. They went to war under false pretensions and trumped up evidence. They used hard marketing techniques to try to sell the invasion to the US people, including saying Saddam was involved with 9/11 and the phrase "we don't want the smoking gun to become a mushroom cloud." Yes, they should be tried in court for causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands deaths of Iraqi citizens and for violating the Geneva Convention when they tortured prisoners of war.Discussion 11 : 03 Sep 2012 at 22.5411
Yes they should .Will they ? Probably not .
Discussion 10 : 03 Sep 2012 at 22.3110
The Bush and Blair fan clubs must be out in force if the voting on this forum is to be believed.
Discussion 9 : 03 Sep 2012 at 21.099
D-5 lthough I agree in spirit, the damage to the economy was largely done by the Republican congress during Clinton era. The de-regulation mania and Alan Greenspan allowed the debacle to occur. Appointing a Goldman Sachs man as Sec. of Treasury (H. Paulson) is a perfect example of the fox gaurding the henhouse. One only has to look at the record and see whether these guys create jobs or destroy them.
