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Discussion 29 : 14 Dec 2012 at 15.4029
Khun Jose #27, a roundtrip from BKK to Chiang Mai on Air Asia's Airbus 320-200 will cost around 3,870 Baht per person or 15,480 Baht for a family of four. The flight will last 1 hour and 15 minutes at Mach 0.78 or 511 mph @36,000 ft. The average price per mile per passenger is 5.36 Baht. It is available right here, right now, with no tracks to be built, no trains to be bought, no corruption money to be wasted, and no animal migration be adversely affected. I rest my case!
Discussion 28 : 14 Dec 2012 at 13.0628
High Speed systems are standard gauge, the cost of conventional track is around 30,000,000 Baht per Km I would think this would multiply by 10 for HS track. HS is not generally suited to freight operations and would not integrate into the existing metre gauge system. Dual gauge would push the costs of the planet. Ticket prices would be in the realms of tourist and wealthy only.
Upgrading the present infrastructure and signalling, buy new loco's and rolling stock including new railcars, offer an improved service both freight and passenger would benefit more people than another white elephant.Discussion 27 : 14 Dec 2012 at 12.1727
Discussion#24:
Ticket costs for the Bangkok to Chiang Mai 600 km run will be about 3300 Baht one way for each passenger. This will cost a family of four about 26000 Baht for the round trip.
These prices are very close to what you pay on the French TGV Highspeed Train between Paris and Marseilles 600 km or on the German Railroad between Berlin and Munich 600 km.
The key to the pricing is the high cost of the locomotives, the track and the high energy costs.
Remember E= 1/2 (mv x mv) applies when you quadruple the speed from 50 km/hr to 200 km/hr your enrgy costs will go up by a factor of 16.Discussion 26 : 14 Dec 2012 at 08.3726
All I see in this is huge amounts of money finding it's way into corrupt peoples pockets/bankaccounts.Thailand would do much better if they bought new locomotives for the railroads they already have and upgrade the tracks that has already been lain.Is there really anyone that will pay the expencive tickets for this new idea if it ever gets buildt ?
Discussion 25 : 13 Dec 2012 at 15.1625
@Disc 22 - Its obvious China shouldn't get the contract. Why? Because their high speed train is full of flaws, which can be proven by the accident they had last year. And the government trying to cover the accident up by burring the train carriages in the ground after the accident to prevent any news leaks.
Discussion 24 : 13 Dec 2012 at 14.1724
Let us all forget about High Speed Trains in Thailand.
Thai people will never be willing or able to pay for the tickets.
Beijing-Shanghai high-speed train ticket prices cut
BEIJING, June 17 (Xinhua) -- Travelers will enjoy discounts when buying business-class tickets and premium seats on Beijing-Shanghai high-speed trains from June 27, according to the Ministry of Railways.
After the price cut, business-class tickets will be lowered to between 1,400 yuan (222.22 U.S. dollars) and 1,575 yuan from the current 1,750 yuan. Prices of premium seats will stand at 949 yuan, down from the current 1,055Discussion 23 : 13 Dec 2012 at 12.4723
My money is on China getting the contract, thanks to Thaksin's close ties with the PRC poobahs.
Discussion 22 : 13 Dec 2012 at 10.3422
It's obvious that China should be given the contract to build the high speed rail to Thailand's north, with an eventual high speed rail link between Bankok and Bejing. China will soon have the largest GNP in the world, why use countries that are sliding into bankruptcy, ie Europe, Japan and the US.
By the way did I read somewhere that the Chinese are going the build a high speed rail link in California?Discussion 21 : 13 Dec 2012 at 05.3421
Spiceman....we all know why Thailand wants this high speed train...it is a massive project with huge potential for funds to be channelled to the big wigs, it's never about improving Thailand.
Discussion 20 : 13 Dec 2012 at 05.1720
Darkside #15, yes, jet engine consumes vast amount of fuel but don't forget to consider the vast number of passengers and freights each jetliner or turboprop carry. Today, it costs me $0.07 per mile at Mach 0.855 or 570 mph, to fly from LAX to Thailand, and it's hard to believe that the airline is making pretty good profit on it too. Jet engines are incredibly efficient, reliable, and powerful, requiring little maintenance between TBOs, thank to its simplicity in design. Another important factor is that at high altitude, where these jetliners operate, the air is so thin, offering so little resistance. It's just a giant leap in technology.
